Hmm... OK- Well will have to try dodging them- so this is not the guy with the rage meter- good to know - then I can use my ram on him. SO, irritated with myself for not paying attention on what level I was,or using the magic points earlier. SO I really wasted about 3 level ups at least. As I usually use Prayer only to hold the pressure plates and Quake is too slow - so my style is Ram from distance and use the warrior sword with a good sheild in close. .