[Mak213]

You dont have to buy my argument. It is shown by the sales of all the PC Manufacturers out there. Just go look and see the percentage of sales of 32 Bit systems over 64 Bit systems.

You can say that we should have dropped it back in 05 but Windows wasnt going to have a new version back then. Since you say Windows is controlling the market that would mean that Vista would have to of been done and released. Which would have been Longhorn and which would have only been exactly what you say Win7 is. A updated version of the previous OS. As Longhorn didnt offer much new over XP. Most of the gimmicks that were seen in the Videos on the internet never made it into many of the Beta Builds. At the same time if there was a leak the feature was a pain to get working.

So Microsoft is going to continue to produce 32 Bit, Just as Linux does, cause there is still a high demand for it. Microsoft is getting demands from OEM's to sell 32 Bit, just as the OEM's are getting demand to sell it.

The other thing you are forgetting, what about the software? Much of the software that people use on a daily basis is not updated to run in 64 Bit. So these people should suffer since Microsoft and OEM's decided to drop support? That again would cost business.

I did not say that dropping support would be a bad thing. I never said it was. I never said that it shouldnt be done. I am saying it wont be done and giving the reasons why. It is all about the money. They are still making money hand over fist with 32 Bit over 64 Bit. They will not drop their cash cow. No matter what the high end, power users and gamers want. We are the minority. We are the few in the PC world.

32 Bit still sells more systems and more software than anything 64 Bit. No company is going to be the first to lose their main cash cow and go exclusively 64 Bit and lose a major part of their income. Despite what should have been, or should be done. No matter how much it is hated and how much it should be 64 Bit the fact is 32 Bit still draws in more cash, more developers and more people than 64 Bit. Till that trend changes. We wont see the drop of it.

My honest opinion is I agree with you. I think it is something that should be done and needs to be done despite the fact i couldnt upgrade and most likely cant for several more years. But 64 Bit needs to come up and allow the chance to survive. But money rules the world. Till 64 Bit can draw more money than 32 Bit despite our hatred of it, it will be here.

[Wildside]

^^ impressive speech Mak. He's right. I agree 100%.

[EricB]

Originally Posted by Mak213

You dont have to buy my argument. It is shown by the sales of all the PC Manufacturers out there. Just go look and see the percentage of sales of 32 Bit systems over 64 Bit systems.

You can say that we should have dropped it back in 05 but Windows wasnt going to have a new version back then. Since you say Windows is controlling the market that would mean that Vista would have to of been done and released. Which would have been Longhorn and which would have only been exactly what you say Win7 is. A updated version of the previous OS. As Longhorn didnt offer much new over XP. Most of the gimmicks that were seen in the Videos on the internet never made it into many of the Beta Builds. At the same time if there was a leak the feature was a pain to get working.

So Microsoft is going to continue to produce 32 Bit, Just as Linux does, cause there is still a high demand for it. Microsoft is getting demands from OEM's to sell 32 Bit, just as the OEM's are getting demand to sell it.

The other thing you are forgetting, what about the software? Much of the software that people use on a daily basis is not updated to run in 64 Bit. So these people should suffer since Microsoft and OEM's decided to drop support? That again would cost business.

I did not say that dropping support would be a bad thing. I never said it was. I never said that it shouldnt be done. I am saying it wont be done and giving the reasons why. It is all about the money. They are still making money hand over fist with 32 Bit over 64 Bit. They will not drop their cash cow. No matter what the high end, power users and gamers want. We are the minority. We are the few in the PC world.

32 Bit still sells more systems and more software than anything 64 Bit. No company is going to be the first to lose their main cash cow and go exclusively 64 Bit and lose a major part of their income. Despite what should have been, or should be done. No matter how much it is hated and how much it should be 64 Bit the fact is 32 Bit still draws in more cash, more developers and more people than 64 Bit. Till that trend changes. We wont see the drop of it.

My honest opinion is I agree with you. I think it is something that should be done and needs to be done despite the fact i couldnt upgrade and most likely cant for several more years. But 64 Bit needs to come up and allow the chance to survive. But money rules the world. Till 64 Bit can draw more money than 32 Bit despite our hatred of it, it will be here.

I have one response to that. since the turn of the century when all of the crooks took over, everything has been about the money and nothing else.

btw. what is the result of attitude? Let see...

the great depression II. you can wipe your but with the dollar now because that's all that's it's worth

do a history search. this is exactly has the first great depression started. the top 10 percent wanted all of the money

you are right about evolution too. it has stopped. we are devolving now. that's why society is so messed up. we don't even go to school to learn anymore. we go to get dumbed down(the teachers can't teach real things as they have to teach a test that has no value in life ) and brainwashed

that's a shame. it's not a good thing

[Mak213]

I never said it was. I have made no such remarks about the fact that this attitude has lead us to the path of the 2nd coming of the Depression. My point is simply that companies are not going to abandon something that is making them money.

I know all about the Depression. I had family who survived it and other family that didnt. So yes i know all about what has happened and what could be coming.

I understand you point about many things. But since this is not about evolution of PC's, The state of the economy or anything other than 32 Bit dying, the truth of that argument is that it is still a money maker. Till 64 Bit can show that it can make companies more money than 32 Bit can there will never be a decline in the demand for 32 Bit.

[aeroplane22]

Well, to go off the current topic of destabilization in society, I'd like to add my personal complaint that they are making Windows 7 which seems to be a glorified Vista. Much was said in-comparison with Vista to XP. However, this is a little different, it will no doubt require a hefty chunk out of your wallet.

I had no problem updating to Vista, just because XP was getting to be really outdated and I appreciated a new upcoming sleek design, but **** does this get under my skin. I hope they keep functionality support for Vista, especially with DirectX 11. It's obvious Vista users will see none of the new sleek designs and windows transparency and all that fluffy jazz, which is a shame because most bought Vista just for that new sleek polish.

Don't get me wrong. This is expected from Microsoft and shouldn't be surprising, but knowing this still doesn't alleviate the shock of being struck in the gut every time they pull this off. If it was a moderate price for the OS overhauls, fine, but it costs hundreds of dollars.

Anyhow, I'll depart my soapbox and return to the tavern. I have some world domination to do in Empire: Total War.

[Ste]

Originally Posted by EricB

I have one response to that. since the turn of the century when all of the crooks took over, everything has been about the money and nothing else.


the great depression II. you can wipe your but with the dollar now because that's all that's it's worth

Since when hasn't it been about wealth or power?

[Apokalipse]

Originally Posted by Mak213

32 Bit is still highly supported by almost every manufacturer and 64 Bit is rare but upcoming.

Yes, it would be silly to drop 32-bit support now.

Though I think it would be a good idea to have OEM's install 64-bit Windows by default instead of 32-bit Windows (with 32-bit Windows still being sold to those who don't have a 64-bit CPU) - 64-bit Windows still does run 32-bit applications.

Originally Posted by aeroplane22

I'd like to add my personal complaint that they are making Windows 7 which seems to be a glorified Vista.

Humans are glorified apes.
Does that mean we're not a big step up in our own ways?

[carnageX]

Originally Posted by Apokalipse

Yes, it would be silly to drop 32-bit support now.

Though I think it would be a good idea to have OEM's install 64-bit Windows by default instead of 32-bit Windows (with 32-bit Windows still being sold to those who don't have a 64-bit CPU) - 64-bit Windows still does run 32-bit applications.

I have seen quite a few HP computers come with Vista x64 installed lately actually. All of 'em that have 4GB of RAM have thankfully had x64 on it instead of x86.

[EricB]

Originally Posted by Ste

Since when hasn't it been about wealth or power?

Well I'll guess that I'll shut on that. but in the the old days they would leave us some crumbs to nibble on. now they are taking that too.

[Mak213]

Originally Posted by Apokalipse

Yes, it would be silly to drop 32-bit support now.

Though I think it would be a good idea to have OEM's install 64-bit Windows by default instead of 32-bit Windows (with 32-bit Windows still being sold to those who don't have a 64-bit CPU) - 64-bit Windows still does run 32-bit applications.

Yes you are right. It should be done this way. There is still some compatibility issues with a FEW 32 Bit on 64 Bit apps. But that is few and far between.