Computer Forums

Member Login

Remember Me? Sign Up! | Forgot Password
 
Slogan
 
Computer Forums > Miscellaneous > Off Topic Discussion » And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid
Closed Thread
Old 01-18-2008, 08:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
superdave1984's Avatar
 
Repeat Offender

Join Date: Aug 2006

Location: Union City, TN

Posts: 1,928

superdave1984 is on a distinguished road

Default And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

Violent German teen sent to cope in Siberia | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

Violent German teen sent to cope in Siberia


· Boy, 16, has to make own fire, dig toilet, pump water
· Critics attack nine-month bleak exile from family

Kate Connolly in Berlin
Friday January 18, 2008
The Guardian


German authorities exasperated at the antisocial behaviour of a 16-year-old boy have sent him to a remote Siberian village for an "intensive educational experience", it emerged yesterday. The unusual measure by youth welfare officers in the central state of Hesse raised fresh questions about how to deal with delinquents who have been blamed for a series of ugly crimes.
The boy, who has not been identified, was dispatched east after behaving violently in school and at home and attacking his mother. He is being forced to fend for himself in boot camp-style conditions in the forlorn village of Sedelnikovo, several hours drive from the city of Omsk, in the western Siberian interior.

He has had to cope by collecting and chopping firewood to make his own fires, digging his own toilet and pumping water supplies from a well. He will stay there for nine months, separated from family and friends, the internet and television, under a programme designed specifically for him.


Under the supervision of a Russian-speaking German assistant, the boy is also attending school. Once he returns to Germany, he will be monitored for a further two years.
"We deliberately sought a region that was particularly lacking in allure," said Stefan Becker, the head of the youth and social department in Giessen, calling it "the ultima ratio" in the attempt to re-educate the boy, for whom all other measures had failed. "[The youth] spends most of his time trying to cope with his day to day existence, living in conditions like we had 30 or 40 years ago," he added. "If he doesn't chop the wood, his room is cold. If he doesn't fetch water, he can't wash."

The Hesse authorities have defended the move as an "educational adventure" and say an inspector who visited the boy believed the "treatment" was working. Hundreds of other youths have been sent on similar programmes to countries as diverse as Greece and Kyrgyzstan.

The details have emerged in the midst of one of the most heated state election campaigns that Germany has known for years, in which youth crime has featured prominently. The Christian Democratic state president of Hesse, Roland Koch, has called for boot camps and "warning-shot" arrests to be applied to young criminals, and his election speeches have particularly focused on clamping down on immigrants, said to be responsible for half of all crimes committed by the under-21s.

The chancellor, Angela Merkel, has backed Koch's campaign, saying that the discussion was long overdue. Koch's stance on crime and immigration has won national resonance and the Hesse vote on January 27 - as well as one in the state of Lower Saxony on the same day - is an early test for Merkel ahead of next year's federal election.

But the decision to send the teenager to Siberia is a step too far for some, particularly as equally bleak, though not as cold, regions are to be found in Germany. One commentator called it "more akin to a reality TV show than a social welfare programme".

Some have described it as a cost-cutting measure, which, at €150 a day (£111), is about a third of the price of a similar scheme in Germany.
__________________
superdave1984 is offline  
Old 01-18-2008, 10:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
veedubfreak's Avatar
 
Lord Techie

Join Date: Jul 2007

Posts: 6,834

veedubfreak will become famous soon enough

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

Big deal. If i had attacked my mom, i wouldnt be here today, my dad would have beat me to an inch of my life.
__________________
veedubfreak is offline  
Old 01-18-2008, 01:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
Monster Techie

Join Date: Aug 2006

Posts: 1,589

atomic tofu is on a distinguished road

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

it's just like most people's lives in small countries and or living on farms in the US.
nothing extreme
atomic tofu is offline  
Old 01-18-2008, 02:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
FireFox's Avatar
 
Ultra Techie

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 608

FireFox is on a distinguished road

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

It's a good experience....hopefully he'll learn something from it.
__________________
FireFox is offline  
Old 01-18-2008, 10:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
lancec2c30's Avatar
 
Future ex-member

Join Date: May 2006

Location: Chehalis, WA

Posts: 4,010

lancec2c30 is on a distinguished road

Send a message via MSN to lancec2c30
Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

Ya, something like that will teach you a thing or two about self reliance.
__________________

XP Pro | Vista Home Premium | Linux Ubuntu 7.10
s939 X2 3800 Toledo @ 2.6ghz | evga 7900gs | 320gig + 80gig wd | 1gb Ram | Abit KN8 SLI
3.1ghz achieved.
70K F@H member..............still waiting for the "iRACK"

Norcent will not be forgotten.

lancec2c30 is offline  
Old 01-18-2008, 10:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
Jorsoft's Avatar
 
Wizard Techie

Join Date: Feb 2004

Location: Minneapolis, MN

Posts: 4,539

Jorsoft will become famous soon enoughJorsoft will become famous soon enough

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

My thoughts exactly. A punk like that needs to learn that nothing is handed to you. Working a little for your own good will slap him into shape some.
__________________
Jorsoft is offline  
Old 01-18-2008, 10:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
Saxon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 6,362

Saxon is just really niceSaxon is just really niceSaxon is just really niceSaxon is just really nice

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

Good that kid sounds like he needs to be taught a lesson.
__________________
I am not here for long I am deploying soon so please don't expect anything long winded.

Saxon is offline  
Old 01-19-2008, 12:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
Hard Core Techie

Join Date: Nov 2004

Posts: 11,642

EricB will become famous soon enough

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

where do I sign my kids up?
__________________
The Ultimate Hard Drive Utility PowerMax 4.23. (It now has the ability to clean a Boot Sector virus on the quick erase option.)
The best browser Netscape 8
Have you accidently delete something? Look here (trial. the better one) and here(free)
EricB is offline  
Old 01-20-2008, 04:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
Ethereal_Dragon's Avatar
 
Wizard Techie

Join Date: Feb 2006

Location: Bolingbrook, IL - USA

Posts: 3,604

Ethereal_Dragon will become famous soon enough

Send a message via AIM to Ethereal_Dragon Send a message via Yahoo to Ethereal_Dragon
Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

I would like to meet someone who thinks this is 'too extreme'..... I mean.... to ME, that actually sounds like it would make for a nice get-away trip....

Look at the alternatives (which, apparently didn't help), like a juvi facility or jail, where he can go to become a better criminal.... or house arrest, so he can beat up his mom again?
__________________
Gaming Rig: - GIGABYTE GA-X38-DQ6, Intel Q9550 @ 2.83 Ghz, TRUE (MX-2 & 2 Scythe SFF21D),
Crucial Ballistix 4GB DDR 800, XFX Radeon HD 4870, SILVERSTONE ST70F,
4x Seagate 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500 GB, ASUS DRW-2014L1T, Antec 900
Dell 2709W - 27" Monitor & Sony SDM-HS95P - 19" Monitor
The NAS Box: D-Link DNS-323 & 2x Seagate 7200.10 ST3500630AS 500GB - JBOD



| My Antec 900 Build Log | Project Pink | Operation Home Run |
| General Forum Rules | Networking FAQs & Tutorials | Hardware Tutorials |
Ethereal_Dragon is offline  
Old 01-21-2008, 04:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

Posts: 1,733

TheEnd187 is an unknown quantity at this point

Default Re: And you thought YOU had it tough as a kid

id say send him to a sweatshop or something
TheEnd187 is offline  
 
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On