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Originally posted by TheMajor
Even if getting raped would make abortion an acceptable solution, how many of those thousands of women who get an abortion were raped?

The rest of them wanted to have sex, so they have no right to kill the baby (I'm not saying raped women do!). Everybody knows no birth control method is 100% safe.

Hmm report it to police, the police take her to the doctor or force her to see one with in a few hours, they look for bruises around certain areas and look at other things on the female to determine if she was raped, they could also give a lie detector test.

[Nubius]

Theoretically that's right. In one load of sperm, there are millions of little living things.

psht, then like I said you're a murdered for taking antibiotics! Let the germs live it's just a natural process of life! :rolleyes:

This thread shouldn't have even been started. I tried to tell Sw1tch not to start it, but he wouldn't listen.

This one is more worth while than a 'BUSH: Disapprove or Approve' thread which has been done to death. Atleast this is something that hasn't been talked about before in depth here at TF and for the most part it's been completely civil.

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Originally posted by Nubius
for the most part it's been completely civil.

suprisingly enough O_o

[Nubius]

yeah I know, I almost died from the shock considering the nature of the subject.

Figured it'd be a lot of pro-life people screaming BABY KILLERS!!!

Uzi practically went in that direction posting pictures...typical propaganda there, but MEH, atleast there hasn't been any blatant "AHH SCREW YOU AND YOUR BABY KILLING!! HALKSJD!!!!" or anything like that.

[Emily]

Originally posted by uzi9mm
Who said I was talking about early abortions??? I am talking about all of them, and for your information, for the late abortions, they litterally pick and rip the baby out by pieces.

I'd like to see a source on that... http://www.ortl.org/abortion/abortion_methods.htm is from a pro-life organization, and it doesn't mention anything about "ripping the baby out by pieces" in late abortions, only in early abortions before the baby can feel pain.

Originally posted by beedubaya
A lot of people here are heartless though, they don't care that babies are ripped out of wombs piece by piece. After all, we are just pitiful little animals, and murder isn't really wrong :rolleyes:

Any woman getting an abortion is going to feel a lot worse about her baby being killed than you do. But then again, you would of course know much better than she does whether or not she should have her baby. :rolleyes:

Even if getting raped would make abortion an acceptable solution, how many of those thousands of women who get an abortion were raped?

It doesn't matter... unless you can come up with an exhaustive list of all the circumstances that can justify abortion and foolproof ways to prove all of those circumstances, it's not fair to illegalize or even place legalizing circumstances on abortion.

The rest of them wanted to have sex, so they have no right to kill the baby (I'm not saying raped women do!). Everybody knows no birth control method is 100% safe.

So women should not have sex unless they are willing to have a baby? If a woman never wants to have a baby because she has a genetic disorder or she knows she'll never be able to provide for one she should never have sex in her life?

As far as raped women are concerned; I don't get how you can put "traumatised-women-not-able-to-feed-kid VERSUS killing-a-baby". I'm not killing my son/daughter either if I run out of money, end up being homeless and get terrribly hurt by someone (I know, I know, I don't have any idea how it feels to get raped...). There's 3 persons involved, the rapist (guilty), the victim (innocent) and the child (innocent). So at least support the child or leave it at a police station or let your parents take care of it or whatever, have it adopted or something, but for God's sake don't simply kill it to get rid of it to make you feel better. I don't get why unborn humans shouldn't have rights.

Do you honestly think a woman feels better after getting an abortion? Abortion is not a selfish act. It's not a woman sacrificing her baby for her happiness; it's a woman sacrificing her baby for her baby's sake. She's giving up her child because she knows her child is better off never being born, and as harsh as that sounds, she is the only one in the world who can decide that while the baby can't feel pain and isn't capable of rational thought. You think that you would never want to get an abortion under any circumstances, but having never been faced with the decision and knowing that you'll never face it, the best you can do is guess, and I don't think it's fair to impose that guess on the whole country.

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wow lol

[TheMajor]

Originally posted by Emily
It doesn't matter... unless you can come up with an exhaustive list of all the circumstances that can justify abortion and foolproof ways to prove all of those circumstances, it's not fair to illegalize or even place legalizing circumstances on abortion.

I can't come up with any situation that I think legalizes abortion. (my opinion)

Originally posted by Emily
So women should not have sex unless they are willing to have a baby? If a woman never wants to have a baby because she has a genetic disorder or she knows she'll never be able to provide for one she should never have sex in her life?

So obviously they are willing to take that risk. It's like people who can't drive well, but they still drive a car and take that risk. Sterilization would be a solution.

Originally posted by Emily
Do you honestly think a woman feels better after getting an abortion? Abortion is not a selfish act. It's not a woman sacrificing her baby for her happiness; it's a woman sacrificing her baby for her baby's sake. She's giving up her child because she knows her child is better off never being born, and as harsh as that sounds, she is the only one in the world who can decide that while the baby can't feel pain and isn't capable of rational thought. You think that you would never want to get an abortion under any circumstances, but having never been faced with the decision and knowing that you'll never face it, the best you can do is guess, and I don't think it's fair to impose that guess on the whole country.

No, I know it's terrible. It's not legal to kill people after making them unconsciousness so they won't feel pain. So why would it be legal to kill babies, even if they don't feel pain? Killing is, in my opinion, wrong, no matter how.
For the babies' sake? I think adoption or almost any other way of "getting rid" of your child is a better option than killing it.

[Nubius]

oooooooh. this is probably the first thread ever where I enjoy seeing emilys posts haha.....as I've said from the beginning as men I feel we have limited say on the matter...sure we can put our opinions on whether or not 'killing is right or wrong' but theres so many variables and situations let alone the fact we aren't women and would never know the trauma or experience of having to carry a child, give birth to it, put it up for adoption, or choose abortion...it's something we could never possibly fathom in our life times.

So with that, it's quite awesome to see a female pretty much "PWN" all the guys on a topic, that she may not have any literal experience with (or I'd atleast hope not considering she's what...16?)

but she'd still have a WAY better idea than any of us guys.

For the babies' sake? I think adoption or almost any other way of "getting rid" of your child is a better option than killing it.

Yeah but like she says, and I agree.....raising that child for 9 months and going through the pain of giving birth to it and then just dumping it off....chances are both you and the child would be severaly screwed over metally speaking.....like I said, we could never understand how it'd be to house a baby from a traumatizing experience for 9 months....ehh, we could only assume, and honestly that seems like it'd be one screwed up 'mind rollercoaster' for the woman.

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For the babies' sake? I think adoption or almost any other way of "getting rid" of your child is a better option than killing it.
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And then live life knowing that they were unwanted or that they were a mistake or an accident.

I had a freind that was adopted.
Then one day he finaly found out who is parents really where.
He also found out that he was a mistake.
Later that night, he killed himself.


Also, I am not sure about other people here, but i find the number of knocked Year 9 High School Students a little disturbing.
Like I live / work just close enough to "Boganville" that each day goes by see at least one of the following :-
* 16 year old with a kid.
* Knocked up 16 year.
* Knocked up 17 year with kid.

And with all the things that is going on in a teenager's life at that age, I really don't know how any one can raise a child at that age too.
And because of the poor up-bring that these younger kids had, they normally turn into little ****s with no respect for the law.

[Emily]

Originally posted by TheMajor
So obviously they are willing to take that risk. It's like people who can't drive well, but they still drive a car and take that risk. Sterilization would be a solution.

So if you were a woman and you absolutely could not have a child at the moment for whatever reason, you would be abstinent?

No, I know it's terrible. It's not legal to kill people after making them unconsciousness so they won't feel pain. So why would it be legal to kill babies, even if they don't feel pain? Killing is, in my opinion, wrong, no matter how.

It's illegal to make someone unconscious and then kill them because they would otherwise have the capacity to decide whether or not they want to live. An unborn child in the early stages of pregnancy can't make that decision for itself, and seeing as it's not a definitive person yet and it's still a part of its mother, and that a mother will never ever kill her own child out of pure selfishness, the ability to decide should be the mother's.

For the babies' sake? I think adoption or almost any other way of "getting rid" of your child is a better option than killing it.[/color]

But people who are actually faced with the decision disagree with you, and they are the ones who have the experience and knowledge necessary to decide.