[The General]

Originally posted by Deathawk
The world is what you make it.
If you want your kids to see the world as a big blue error screen, go right ahead...

Uhh.. is there really any point behind these lines?

Yes, it's a humorous exaggeration of Window's instability as a means to put down Microsoft products.

Originally posted by Deathawk
I don't see people in the 'real world' using PC's for much longer...

Okay, so when the change does happen, the schools can change with it. They aren't really buying the computers for the future.

The "change" is when people start buying Mac's, or using Linux regardless of what the majority of people use in the status quo. Sitting back and waiting for it to happen, and then doing something about it isn't going to cut it.

If schools aren't buying computers for the future, what are they buying them for?

Originally posted by Deathawk
Kudos to the schools who have Macs, if only I had been so lucky to go to one.

Because searching the web, or typing up that essay is a whole different experience when using a Mac instead of a PC!!

I'm assuming you're joking, given the obvious similarities between using a web browser on a computer regardless of it's operating system, as well as the obvious similarities between the different keyboards.

So, you concede that kids in schools need computers for searching the internet (research papers, etc.) and typing essays. What was not possible on the Mac that they need to do? Are they going to be playing Windows-based games? Maybe ... doing some Photoshop (wait, no, that's for Mac too) ... maybe ... AutoCAD? Elementary school kids using AutoCAD?

Am I missing something here?

Originally posted by Deathawk
My school used PC's and they are nothing but trouble. They have to upgrade them every two years, and even then its only 'basic' systems running the same software as the older 'basic' systems.

Okay... your school sucks. Enough said.

I wasn't aware that the quality of a school's education is directly effected by the speed of the computers they have in the classrooms. When did this take effect?

Sorry if mac_mogul's school didn't have quad-core work stations with dual 8800GTX's and 16GB of RAM, but like you said, school kids only need the computers to search the web and write papers.

Originally posted by Deathawk
Had my school opted to switch to Macs, they would've gotten better computers for the same expense.

So what Macs can you get for 300 dollars? Because schools really like the idea of spending 800+ dollars per computer.

I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but Apple gives massive discounts to schools. Buy 80 iMacs for $250 each. Really, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Now, on to why you are posting in the Mac section... I thought we scared you away before? You always seem to come back, and we always seem to destroy your unmitigated self-righteousness.

Have a good day.

[Win2kpatcher]

Originally posted by The General
Mac Pro's are NOT called G5's. There is no way a Core 2 Duo "eats it for lunch" ... do you know anything? Mac Pro's have two dual-core Xeons. Not those crappy NetBurst Xeons, these are Woodcrest/Conroe Xeons. Get your facts straight before ever posting in the Mac section again.

Oh, and you still haven't found me a quad-conroe work station for $1200. Probably because the processors alone cost about that much.

Do I know anything? Please don't treat me like some rookie general you know me better than this

I know a few things..and I admit I may have been wrong about the Mac specs but truth is I choose not to learn more about them because I despise them so much. Now before you Mac fans hammer me I am not just some PC loving fan boy.

I for a living support both the Windows/Mac platform for a Gannett news paper. Now of the 60 or so Mac's we have and 400 or so PC's we have the Mac's and there problematic OS seem to make up 75% of our helpdesk case load.

Everyday we hear the sounds of sweet crisp Mac reboot chimes and the die hard Mac user fan base consider this "normal" they are in shock when I tell them I have not rebooted my home or work PC in 3 months. We deal with the clever "rainbow-beachball-spinning wheel thing" far to often. Printers just dissapear or stop working all together. We have tried 3rd party networking solutions to get the Mac's to play nicely with our windows network but they still suck. Do you deal with this many Mac's on a network and there problems? Have you ever supported them? Not doubting that you have I am just saying your views change really quick when they suck so bad for your I.T. team. I used to like them.

[The General]

Originally posted by Win2kpatcher
Do I know anything? Please don't treat me like some rookie general you know me better than this

I know a few things..and I admit I may have been wrong about the Mac specs but truth is I choose not to learn more about them because I despise them so much. Now before you Mac fans hammer me I am not just some PC loving fan boy.

I for a living support both the Windows/Mac platform for a Gannett news paper. Now of the 60 or so Mac's we have and 400 or so PC's we have the Mac's and there problematic OS seem to make up 75% of our helpdesk case load.

Everyday we hear the sounds of sweet crisp Mac reboot chimes and the die hard Mac user fan base consider this "normal" they are in shock when I tell them I have not rebooted my home or work PC in 3 months. We deal with the clever "rainbow-beachball-spinning wheel thing" far to often. Printers just dissapear or stop working all together. We have tried 3rd party networking solutions to get the Mac's to play nicely with our windows network but they still suck. Do you deal with this many Mac's on a network and there problems? Have you ever supported them? Not doubting that you have I am just saying your views change really quick when they suck so bad for your I.T. team. I used to like them.

I don't know what could possibly cause problems like that. I take a few classes at a college in my town, we have a network of 250 Macs, ranging from old iMac G4's to Mac Pro's and Core 2 Duo iMacs. We have never had a single problem like you are describing.

"Beach-balling" is something I have never experienced, though I do hear about it. The beachball is like the time piece in Windows ... so in Windows when your mouse cursor disappears and your system hangs (which happens to me every day at work, EVERY DAY) its probably the same kind of thing...

[IBMan]

i get the beachbaling on the ibooks at work every day, not once in the last 3 years has my cursor disappeared and my system hung that badly.

[The General]

Originally posted by IBMan
i get the beachbaling on the ibooks at work every day, not once in the last 3 years has my cursor disappeared and my system hung that badly.

Do you want a cookie?

[Win2kpatcher]

I was not trying to turn this into a debate, my appologies. I just did not want this to seem like I was just some book worm kid talking out of my ***. I have been in the I.T. game for 7 years now straight out of high school and have had PLENTY of time with the Macintosh platform all the way back from the OS8 days

The new OSX Tiger is not bad when it works, but that is far to rare. I may warm up to them again should they ever perform at least half as good as our windows based PC's.

[Deathawk]

Yes, it's a humorous exaggeration of Window's instability as a means to put down Microsoft products.
WINDOWS HAS PROBLEMS, NO WAI!! But my point to this, is getting a BSOD in school really a problem..? Do you guys think it EVER happens in school? Because it doesn't, not enough to call it a problem..

The "change" is when people start buying Mac's, or using Linux regardless of what the majority of people use in the status quo. Sitting back and waiting for it to happen, and then doing something about it isn't going to cut it.

What... you aren't really commenting on my point... my point is when Macs (if ever) are more dominant over Windows PCs, then we can switch to them. Until then, why the heck would a school switch to Macs when 5% of the world uses them and they are looking for an OS that is used by the real world...

If schools aren't buying computers for the future, what are they buying them for?
Umm... NOW??

I'm assuming you're joking, given the obvious similarities between using a web browser on a computer regardless of it's operating system, as well as the obvious similarities between the different keyboards.

Yes, it was a joke.

So, you concede that kids in schools need computers for searching the internet (research papers, etc.) and typing essays. What was not possible on the Mac that they need to do? Are they going to be playing Windows-based games? Maybe ... doing some Photoshop (wait, no, that's for Mac too) ... maybe ... AutoCAD? Elementary school kids using AutoCAD?

Nothing, isn't possible on the Mac(for school.), but that's not the point, the point of not using them is that they are not used by 95% of computer users...?

I wasn't aware that the quality of a school's education is directly effected by the speed of the computers they have in the classrooms. When did this take effect?

It's not, it was sort of a joke, but the point behind it is good for you, my school doesn't have that problem, and if your school needs to upgrade your computers every two years to do basic stuff, then your school doesn't know how to buy computers.

Sorry if mac_mogul's school didn't have quad-core work stations with dual 8800GTX's and 16GB of RAM, but like you said, school kids only need the computers to search the web and write papers.

Uhh, when did I ever talk about high end computers..? Wait... I didn't.

I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but Apple gives massive discounts to schools. Buy 80 iMacs for $250 each. Really, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

I am not aware of this. Anyway, I will concede here if you show me where you got this information.

And what about discounts on Windows PCs? They don't matter? I'm 99% sure my school got a bunch of free IBM Thinkpads with Pentium 4's, and 512mb of RAM

Now, on to why you are posting in the Mac section... I thought we scared you away before? You always seem to come back, and we always seem to destroy your unmitigated self-righteousness.

Have a good day.

I'm not inclined to tell you why I'm posting in this forum, and I can do so if I want to.

Scare me away? The only thing you guys do here that scares me away is flame... Actually, scratch that, you're the only one who flames, and seriously need to learn some online courtesy. And be a bit more open minded. But I digress.

I would really appreciate if you didn't always flame me, and every other Windows user. It degrades these forums down quite a bit, IMO.

[The General]

Deathawk, just go away, lol.

Online courtesy? lol...

[Deathawk]

/me victory dance ^^
Yes, it really helps, and perhaps if you had it, I would respect you for how much you know. It's a shame that's not the case.

[The General]

Victory dance? lol :laughing:

I'm not here to make friends, if you don't like me then just go away.

Okay, since you really want me to type up a response, I will, but you hardly deserve the effort.