Why do ISPs have to charge at all?

danfresh · 06-17-2005, 10:31 PM

So why does bandwidth cost money anyway? ISPs overestimate bandwidth usage cause they know most subscribers wont reach their limit and if you go up the chain far enough to metropolitan area exchanges and network access points, I dont think they have to pay anything? So do you always have to pay for internet access??

dan

DJ-CHRIS · 06-17-2005, 10:45 PM

Trust me, you wonder how the **** they can charge soo low of prices once you really see what it is.

beedubaya · 06-18-2005, 12:13 AM

Yeah, whats so expensive is all the equipment needed to provide the service, such as fiber-optics, all the server/networking equipment, as well as leasing an OC-12 or OC-48 line, or whatever the ISP uses as a backbone.

danfresh · 06-18-2005, 12:34 AM

Trust me, you wonder how the **** they can charge soo low of prices once you really see what it is.

What does that mean? What is it really then?

trust is the last thing I have talking on the internet.
dan

DJ-CHRIS · 06-18-2005, 12:43 PM

Well you only see the cable running to your house

Not the OC 192's, backbone routers, DSLAM UNITS, fiber splicers and the people that are paid to maintain everything

danfresh · 06-18-2005, 02:31 PM

Hmmm...I completely understand, but if every ISP b/w those backbones and end users doesnt really need much maintenance, then are we arbitrarily paying for their profits.

m3trj · 06-18-2005, 02:50 PM

You'd be surprised at how much maintenance is required. And yes we are paying for their profits since that's why these companies exist.

morbiusjfudd · 06-18-2005, 02:56 PM

yeah... and they need to have workers to maintain it... and if there's a problem on your connection who would be the ones to fix it? And most of the coax wires are not that durable (if in case they are still using it on telephone lines)

Just a thought...

DJ-CHRIS · 06-18-2005, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by danfresh
Hmmm...I completely understand, but if every ISP b/w those backbones and end users doesnt really need much maintenance, then are we arbitrarily paying for their profits.

Trust me, it's ALOT more maintenince than you think.

Their's that maintenince
Building taxes
My family's wages as well as other ppl's wages
Trucks
Money spent fighting strikers
Gas
Your modem's

If you can want, I can get you the quote how much it costs them to run DSL into a single neighbourhood

Tyler1989 · 06-18-2005, 10:33 PM

You have to pay for OC-48 lines, Servers, Spliters, Routers, and most of all a SERVICE. If someone is giving you something they want money for it to make a living. Bandwidth is expensive it doesn't apear out of thin air you know.

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danfresh Newb Techie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 14	Why do ISPs have to charge at all? So why does bandwidth cost money anyway? ISPs overestimate bandwidth usage cause they know most subscribers wont reach their limit and if you go up the chain far enough to metropolitan area exchanges and network access points, I dont think they have to pay anything? So do you always have to pay for internet access?? dan

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beedubaya Lord Techie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,234	Yeah, whats so expensive is all the equipment needed to provide the service, such as fiber-optics, all the server/networking equipment, as well as leasing an OC-12 or OC-48 line, or whatever the ISP uses as a backbone. __________________ ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Motherboard AMD Opteron 165 @ 2.25GHz 2GB G.Skill Extreme PC4000 RAM Leadtek Winfast GeForce 7800GT Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi "I know the human being and fish can co-exist peacefully" - George W. Bush

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06-17-2005, 10:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
DJ-CHRIS Lord Techie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,053	Trust me, you wonder how the **** they can charge soo low of prices once you really see what it is.

06-18-2005, 12:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
danfresh Newb Techie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 14	Trust me, you wonder how the **** they can charge soo low of prices once you really see what it is. What does that mean? What is it really then? trust is the last thing I have talking on the internet. dan

06-18-2005, 12:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
DJ-CHRIS Lord Techie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,053	Well you only see the cable running to your house Not the OC 192's, backbone routers, DSLAM UNITS, fiber splicers and the people that are paid to maintain everything

06-18-2005, 02:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
danfresh Newb Techie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 14	Hmmm...I completely understand, but if every ISP b/w those backbones and end users doesnt really need much maintenance, then are we arbitrarily paying for their profits.

06-18-2005, 02:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
morbiusjfudd Newb Techie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1	yeah... and they need to have workers to maintain it... and if there's a problem on your connection who would be the ones to fix it? And most of the coax wires are not that durable (if in case they are still using it on telephone lines) Just a thought...