The one thing I hate about Linux - Page 2

popey · 07-20-2005, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyler1989
Well we do need a thread like that what is the one thing that drives you crazy the most about Linux and UNIX.

For myself it is the fact there are no just click installers. Everything is command line and permission rights then virtual links. Why can't it be like windows just double click and install.

Check out PCBSD for a FreeBSD based distro with double click installers.

TheHeadFL · 07-20-2005, 05:52 AM

I hope I wasn't the one you were calling the noob with the ego, but I can't really tell who you were referring to.

Yes, I know it isn't neccesary, but even programmers sometimes have to install unfamiliar packages or software products that they aren't familiar with. I can wade my way through command line stuff because I've done it before, but the average user doesn't want to.

I'd like to see Linux come up and become a significant rival to Windows, but it just ain't gonna happen until the programmers remember that the reason an OS exists is to facilitate the needs of a user. General use OSs aren't 'supposed' to be written for programmers, know what I mean?

jakec · 07-20-2005, 06:07 AM

Originally posted By Furtifelon,

and again, if you are not willing to take time to get your drivers to work (it will work, in most cases).. you better not touch alternatives with the possible exception of Mac.. please, don't whine about bad driver support, if you don't want to wrestle with it, don't use it, that's all.

Listen mate,

First of All That first comment you made on my quote had no validity, I agree that windows has not nearly as enthusiatic support as Linux I was stating what other people have Told me and I'm still comming to grips with Linux drivers (i've only been using linux for about 6 months really)

I was simply stating what I found difficult about linux, and that for me is the Software/hardware support. I was not stating an old argument, Just explaining what is Another major issue with Linux that I am wrestling with. I don't use drivers In Linux, I explaining the problem I had Plain and simple I'm sure this will change ove5r time . I was Not whining I realize That the Hardware/ software is still an issue I was just saying I have difficulty in configuring the hardware and software. Once I have the Linux Box up I'll play around with installing drivers. I was aslso saying and that Software designers don 't take in to consideration the linux communty when designing drivers because most people today use windows in one form or another.

I think you took my comments out of Context. Next time you wish to offend someone don't please! watch what you say in the future!

Jake

tribalsun · 07-20-2005, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyler1989
Well we do need a thread like that what is the one thing that drives you crazy the most about Linux and UNIX.

For myself it is the fact there are no just click installers. Everything is command line and permission rights then virtual links. Why can't it be like windows just double click and install.

Linux isn't Windows nor should it ever be like Windows to suit the masses. Having said that there are plenty of easy and better ways in my view to install programs in Linux versus Windows.

Have a look at distros that use good package management systems such as YAST, APT-GET, URPMI etc etc. RPM's offer something similar to the executables found in Windows as well.

When you think about it, the many different ways that the different distros provide to install programs is in many ways superior to Windows. In Linux I don't have to wade through a slew of garbage to decide where I want it installed, for how many people, do I want a start menu item, do I want a short-cut on my desktop, do I want a quick-launch short cut, etc etc.

If you use a good package management system all of that is gone, with Linux, it just works. I can go into a shell and using URPMI get a list of all the different packages I may want and with a simple command such as "urpmi mplayer" it downloads and installs mplayer with all the needed dependencies. It's such a simple process that it's the other way around for me, I wish Windows was more like certain distros of Linux when it came to installing programs.

Have a look around and compare the different distros and the various package management tools they use. You'll find one the suits your liking and you'll never know how or why you ever suffered through Windows' ugly executables in the first place.

horndude · 07-20-2005, 11:59 AM

there isnt anything I hate about unix or linux

macdude425 · 07-20-2005, 12:00 PM

I hate that those around me have a tendency to screw it up

gman2 · 07-26-2005, 10:32 AM

What I hate about Linux? Support for Photoshop and Dreamweaver is non existant, nor do I believe they have any plans to crossover. Regardless, modules such as Wine are extremely buggy when executing Windows applications under Linux, and I often can't get them to even install, neither is Wine network enabled.

Additionally, the people who moan about using the command line; if you are that lazy, why class yourself as a professional at computers? How long does it take to for example compile from source for example? No time at all, a few measly commands and you're set. Learning commands isn't hard at all, and neither do I believe one is clever for knowing commands. Commands are designed to be learned, and with a couple of hours of your time, a newbie can administer a Linux system with ease.

Otherwise I don't hate anything about Linux, the SuSe distro annoys me though. Then again it isn't really "pure Linux"

jnev_89 · 07-28-2005, 02:58 PM

for me the thing i hate is how long it takes to configure linux when you first install it. i recently messed up kubuntu so badly (my fault 100%) and decided to reinstall it because there was no going back since i did a dist-upgrade to breezy, where X still isn't working. anyways, it takes me about 5-6 hours to get it all configured. this is one place where windows is nice. even with nothing installed, you can still get stuff done (providing windows won't crash on you

). in linux, when you first install it, everything is so out of order that it takes a while to get it the way you like it. once done however, it beats the pants off windows.

Iron_Cross · 07-29-2005, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheHeadFL
I'd like to see Linux come up and become a significant rival to Windows, but it just ain't gonna happen until the programmers remember that the reason an OS exists is to facilitate the needs of a user. General use OSs aren't 'supposed' to be written for programmers, know what I mean?

I think that is said better than anyone else could have put it. That is exactly how I feel about *nix. I love the OS, but it's never going to become a mainstream rival to Windows until they start bending to the will of user (or atleast the majority) of users. The other sad thing is that there are thousands of distros, which will uterly confuse the average user. ****, most people here spend months finding a distro that suits them! *nix still has a long road ahead of it, with many changes that have to be made before Microsoft begins to lose the battle.

IAM_7154 · 07-31-2005, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyler1989
Well we do need a thread like that what is the one thing that drives you crazy the most about Linux and UNIX.

For myself it is the fact there are no just click installers. Everything is command line and permission rights then virtual links. Why can't it be like windows just double click and install.

The thing I hate about Linux is the people who ***** that it's not like Windows.

Anyway, heres a site with some RPMs for Mandrake & Mandriva to make it more "Windows like" for you.
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/

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