The one thing I hate about Linux

Tyler1989 · 07-19-2005, 09:57 PM

Well we do need a thread like that what is the one thing that drives you crazy the most about Linux and UNIX.

For myself it is the fact there are no just click installers. Everything is command line and permission rights then virtual links. Why can't it be like windows just double click and install.

Hacp · 07-19-2005, 10:21 PM

Heh, this was covered before. It has something to do with cosutomers being in charge, and not the hardware manufactuers. Somethign liek that.

TheHeadFL · 07-19-2005, 10:37 PM

You'll get all sorts of answers to this, but my main feeling on the subject is that programmers are lazy.

Since most Linux software isn't commercially distributed for PROFIT, most programmers are satisfied with a command line interface.

IBMan · 07-19-2005, 11:27 PM

no easy dial up connection, ic an set up a dial up connection in 5 seconds in windows, took me 15 mionutse to get ANYTHING, on just ONE of the 10 modems i have around here and it STILL didnt work

jakec · 07-20-2005, 12:37 AM

Hey,

For me it is the Lack of Hardware and Software Support, For example when trying to install Printers, modems etc. it is very difficult because All the Drivers for the hardware are made for WINDOWS. Software delevopers think "Well No body uses Linux, so why bother" this of couse is compleate and utter crap

Another thing that ties in with the above point is that it is very hard to find someone who actually will come out and help trobleshoot the OS. When I say Oh I need to learn how to do webpages or Commandline stuff or whatever and say I am using Linux IT Pros are like "using linux is pointless, if you say to an employer you can do such and such, they present you with a windows OS, and you say I only Know how to do it in Linux, they won't hire you" this what I was told

This is crap, because webpage coding is supposed to be universal anyways (unless you use Frontpage) and so is commandline most of the time (same Fundamentals)

It's going to be a real learning curve for them, when Linux becomes the base OS in the World and then these people who said it would never happen will be buggered....

Jake

furtivefelon · 07-20-2005, 12:40 AM

not programmers are lazy (well, they are, that's why we strive for brevity in programming, and in everything else

)

but linux is designed for programers.. have you ever tried to program a batch file for a GUI program without a command alternative? it's not possible.. GUI is also a very redundant thing to have in servers, as most doesn't even have a monitor! Linux is designed to do everything in command line, with GUI added if programmer feels like it.. windows is a OS for the masses, so only GUI with programmers as an extremely after thought (isn't there already a slashdot article covering these?? doesn't ANYONE read slashdot anymore??)

meh, can't find the slashdot article, but i can find the article the slashdot article links to: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articl...lturalism.html

furtivefelon · 07-20-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by jakec
For me it is the Lack of Hardware and Software Support, For example when trying to install Printers, modems etc. it is very difficult because All the Drivers for the hardware are made for WINDOWS. Software delevopers think "Well No body uses Linux, so why bother" this of couse is compleate and utter crap

again, if you buy a server for your desktop, you will find unix have perfect support out of the box.. so if you can't figure out a few drivers and give up on a Operating system, well.. nothing more to say.. and yes, i agree that unix user base is small, but we are extremely loyal.. Windows users, however...

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Originally posted by jakec
Another thing that ties in with the above point is that it is very hard to find someone who actually will come out and help trobleshoot the OS. When I say Oh I need to learn how to do webpages or Commandline stuff or whatever and say I am using Linux IT Pros are like "using linux is pointless, if you say to an employer you can do such and such, they present you with a windows OS, and you say I only Know how to do it in Linux, they won't hire you" this what I was told

well, there is a saying goes something like this in unix community: RT(F)M (search for what that acronym means.. as i can't swear in here..).. i agree it's a bit harsh, but that's what needs to be done when confronted with a complex OS.. and current state, if you just want to do things on computer and get out of here, i'd still introduce those ppl to windows.. but if you want to actually learn computers.. well, welcome to our world

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Originally posted by jakec
This is crap, because webpage coding is supposed to be universal anyways (unless you use Frontpage) and so is commandline most of the time (same Fundamentals)

It's going to be a real learning curve for them, when Linux becomes the base OS in the World and then these people who said it would never happen will be buggered....
Jake

well, we are making headways into desktop, all the while Uncle Bill there is scampering to get their commandline act together (but apparently they dropped in the initial release of longhorn.. pity actually).., and also security

just a race to see who gets their goal first

and no, Quanta+ is a good alternative to frontpage/dreamweaver, just don't have the WYSIWYG element (or so i thought..)

and again, if you are not willing to take time to get your drivers to work (it will work, in most cases).. you better not touch alternatives with the possible exception of Mac.. please, don't whine about bad driver support, if you don't want to wrestle with it, don't use it, that's all, there is no reason for you to write such an old argument and for us to read such an old argument.... at least until all drivers are supported (or try to find a computer that is all supported out of box, and there is alot of them in distros such as ubuntu/mepis)..

TheHeadFL · 07-20-2005, 01:07 AM

Yeah that answers why apps lack GUIs sometimes, but theres no real reason they shouldnt provide them for most software package installations.

I mean, no reason you can't have a GUI that does nothing but executes the command line stuff for you.

Trust me, I do know that linux is written by programmers for programmers, I've been saying that for years, lol.

furtivefelon · 07-20-2005, 01:11 AM

loll.. ah, here is one thing i hate about unix in general (especially goes for linux).. it's the darn noobs that've been bringing their super high egos into the community.. if your coming in here, don't bring ur ego with you, as your complete noob in a complete new country.. I hate those people just comes in and expect everything to be done for them.. One reason windows doesn't have much sense of community it's because few people is enthusatic about it..

freeBSD is free (almost) of these ego charged noobs just barge into the community..

furtivefelon · 07-20-2005, 01:15 AM

here is a good link to learn about unix culture: http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ - the art of unix programming

and here is a good link to learn how to be a good hacker (as in programmer): http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html - how to become a hacker

TheHeadFL - i would wonder why windows programers don't provide a better environment for themselves.. mmm.. and yes, they could have one, but the triditional culture is repulsive of unnecessary coding.. especially a library programmed in system languages such as C, it doesn't provide a good environment to program GUIs at all.. when you go to any hard core unix forum, and even the mention of GUI based installer will turn into a flame war :|

the short answer: they don't need it

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