GTA4 Sacrificed Fun For Realism ..?

[luke992006]

Originally Posted by zedman3d

Would you rather the taxi driver get out and have a chat with the police officer as to why the events occurred and discuss a monthly payment plan to fix what ever he did? Would that be more fun?

i like rather realistic games (some don't, like yourself) so seeing the guys argue would have been more realistic then the taxi guy pulling out a bat (which would never happen in real life) so like said some people will like the game and some will hate it...thats how it goes.

[Saxon]

Oreo an others, I find your lack of respect for realism worrying. A car bomb is 95% of the time under the drivers seat and is only really designed to kill passengers. If you are expecting to see lots of area damage from from a car bomb you need to think more along the lines of a truck bomb. Something with compressed flammable gas canisters or a dense explosive charges, or if you wish to go down the DIY insurgent / home brew route you need to use a high nitrous content fertilizers and mix it with pure alcohol.

The RPG issue is some what based on real life I am unsure of the top of my head what the exact angle range is but a RPG 6 an 7 can and do a skip as it works on a contact detonator, there are proximity sensors type detonators out there but they are rare not many are available out side of the former soviet block. As for the speed at moving when holding one you are limited considering the MK7 rpg weighs in at 15lb an the normal ordnance can weigh between 3 - 7lb's depending on the explosive an where it was produced and the fact the average bandoleer of 5 rounds and going of the mean weight of 5.5lbs and 5 rounds weighing 27.5lb's adding the weight of the launcher at 15lbs we get a total of 42.5lbs that will slow you down a fair bit. Also it's a large an bulky weapon not a ideal weapon for FUBA fighting even less so when it comes to FISH. But it's also not a super accurate weapon at the best of times it dosn't need to be it was designed to hit a tank or a building not a single person.

I have not played GTA 4 yet an I doubt i will unless one of my friends gets it so i can't comment on gameplay issues, however I will say this GTA has had a good run but it's time it was layed to rest. Back in its day it was ground breaking and caused a stair amongst the hen peckers of the world but it's time it died a dignified death.

[luke992006]

^^agreed

[Mak213]

Great work Chris. I fully agree. GTA is old. 50 Cent copied it with his Bulletproof game. Doesnt that tell you that the gameplay is old and over played?

[Oreo]

Originally Posted by Chris Chadwick

Oreo an others, I find your lack of respect for realism worrying. A car bomb is 95% of the time under the drivers seat and is only really designed to kill passengers. If you are expecting to see lots of area damage from from a car bomb you need to think more along the lines of a truck bomb. Something with compressed flammable gas canisters or a dense explosive charges, or if you wish to go down the DIY insurgent / home brew route you need to use a high nitrous content fertilizers and mix it with pure alcohol.

The RPG issue is some what based on real life I am unsure of the top of my head what the exact angle range is but a RPG 6 an 7 can and do a skip as it works on a contact detonator, there are proximity sensors type detonators out there but they are rare not many are available out side of the former soviet block. As for the speed at moving when holding one you are limited considering the MK7 rpg weighs in at 15lb an the normal ordnance can weigh between 3 - 7lb's depending on the explosive an where it was produced and the fact the average bandoleer of 5 rounds and going of the mean weight of 5.5lbs and 5 rounds weighing 27.5lb's adding the weight of the launcher at 15lbs we get a total of 42.5lbs that will slow you down a fair bit. Also it's a large an bulky weapon not a ideal weapon for FUBA fighting even less so when it comes to FISH. But it's also not a super accurate weapon at the best of times it dosn't need to be it was designed to hit a tank or a building not a single person.

I have not played GTA 4 yet an I doubt i will unless one of my friends gets it so i can't comment on gameplay issues, however I will say this GTA has had a good run but it's time it was layed to rest. Back in its day it was ground breaking and caused a stair amongst the hen peckers of the world but it's time it died a dignified death.

Uh. These are car bombs that you pick up from someone to place in a crowded area, the kind of car bomb made to do serious damage, not the kind to 'kill passengers' Im talking about the car bombs you here on the news. The kind they put in the boot/trunk. He places it under the bottom of the car, like Irish terrorist attacks. And yes, they use dense explosive charges. It has a remote detonator on it. Something like C4, dynamite, or some other thermobaric type bomb.

This game is realistic relative to other games. I am not saying this game is realistic full stop, because it's not, and no game will be for the next 4 or 5 years.

If your putting how you put it, no game in existance is anyway close to being realistic.

Originally Posted by Makaveli213

Great work Chris. I fully agree. GTA is old. 50 Cent copied it with his Bulletproof game. Doesnt that tell you that the gameplay is old and over played?

Does old mean bad ? no, not at all, I know Fallout games are a favourite amongst you. I guess your all not getting Fallout 3 because Fallout is 'old'. CoD games are quite old, but there great. You could say there all the same. Infact they pretty much are the same as how GTA games went. Just different changes of time, with different weapons and different locations.

What, 50 cent copied it, and it sucked. Don't get me started on the HUNDREDS of FPS games that copied each other. There the same genre of game, it's hard NOT to copy each game in some way.

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Chris & Mak
Without offense..
Instead of making up some rubbish, you could just say 'I don't like GTA games'. Instead of flaming it, especially when so many people love it, your both mods, your just asking for arguments.

[Mak213]

Alright now lets get somethign straight. First off you started this thread about the things that are wrong with GTA.

2nd Chris gave actual facts. Have you served in the Armed services to knwo if a RPG wouldnt bounce???? When you think of car bomb do you think of the one at the World Trade Center that took out a couple of floors? Cause that was NOT a car bomb. That was a Van filled with explosives. So ever think that maybe, jsut maybe you were wrong?

3rd. How does it feel? I have seen you several times go into threads in the Audio and PC Games are talking trash about someones suggest for headphones, speakers or Vista. Now that someone has come in to talk trash about something you like how does it feel to be on the other side?

4th. We are entitled to our opinion just as much as you. Being Mods does not mean we have to stay quiet with our opinion. We can share it.

5th. When did i ever say i liked Fallout? I have NEVER played it. So wrong again.So how could it be a favorite among "you" if i have never played it.

Remeber you started this thread and we shared our opinion. We are not arguing. We are debating. So next time you see a thread for headphones, speakers or Vista think of this thread where your opinion was not the majority and the top of the list.

So many people love it so it has to be good? Does that mean that Vista is good as well cause so many people love it? Same logic...

Come on Oreo. Give me a break. Because someone doesnt like a game that you hold in such high regards you have to lash out at us? Please. I do not share you opinion on speakers and headphones as well. What to have a go at me over that as well?

There are just as many games that copied GTA as there are FPS that are alike. Kida tough to change the FPS format when everyone one of them will show you BEHIND A GUN. Hence the title FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. So yeah. They are alot alike in every sense.

So without offense we are sharing our opnion. Next time you share your opinion that doesnt match mine i will make sure to quote your exact phrase there since it shows how well to handle adversity. Come on Oreo. That is just insane. To get all worked up cause we do not like video games that protrait Violence and drugs as somethign good. Guess what, when you become a parent you wont think they are that great either. After you have a child just think of how it would be if when your kid is 8 and the GTA13 or whatever comes out and they scream for it and then they want to be "gang bangers" how great you thought the game was back in the day.

So yes my opinion of the game is not the majority. But i am able to share my thought jsut as you were when you started the thread.

[luke992006]

^well said.

[Oreo]

I just typed up a page and my IT teacher closed my web browser

No i havn't been in the army, common sense would tell anybody that you wouldnt design a rocket launcher that doesn't explode at a 45 to 60 degree angle. None of you have played the game, i feel you commenting on it is rather stupid. Wereas me commenting on headphones in the Audio Section is fine, as i've owned about 30 pairs. From Senn, AKG, Grado, Beyerdynamic, Audio Technica etc i have a right to comment, wether i am correct or not is a annother matter, i wholeheartedly agree on that. This isn't really aimed at you Mak, because you didn't comment on the game. It's at several others.

Free roam shooters are going to be similar arn't they, they all shoot, there all free roam, and there all in a city. Theres not much else they can change without it being crap o.O

You are able to share your thought i have no real objection to that, it's when people comment on how bad the game is before playing it. As a father you clearly have your views. but when people don't even have kids...

Im talking about a car bomb that kills people within 5 or 10 meters, not 1, like it does in the game. But im not talking about a 30 meter radius that damages buildings either. 6 half foot sticks of dynamite like they use would kill people in 5 or 10 meters. This is Liberty City ! not new york. Things like dynamite and C4 are easily available Ok, that's not realistic. But how the stuff in the city works should be in some aspects. Which is what i started the thread about.

I think this should be closed after everyone has had there final comments. Arguing over a subjective matter is stupid in every way.

Oh, one last thing. I never said YOU like Fallout either, i said 'many' do.

I did not mean to annoy you, or make any of you angry. Going from a nice debate to a harsh argument can happen quite quickly, i will own up and say sorry for that. As it was me who started the confrontation.

well said ^^

agreed

Haha.. can't speak for yourself, luke ? Jokes

[zedman3d]

Just for the record. Cough* I mean....

"Let the record show i own the game and play it 2 hours a day."

[luke992006]

Haha.. can't speak for yourself, luke ? Jokes

Would you rather i added to what he said? this way there is no flaming.

also i have played the game and was just saying that i didn't like it, and dynamite is not made for a huge explosion or kill radius, it is however made for a powerful contained blast...so there would be no large explosion.