[EricB]

to 003 you always claiming that you isn't bashing anything. act like you are a 3rd party and read your comments. I'm not the only guy around here saying that you put others and their equipment down.

to Crysalis. I know

[lancec2c30]

I dont mean to gang up on you. but 003 everything you say has "I dont know how to explain it.....".

[The General]

Team Audigy:

• Crysalis
  EricB
  The General

Team X-Fi:

• 003

WOO! LETS GET FLAMING! YEAA!!

[The General]

Originally posted by Crysalis
[B]And by the way... don't you even dare judge my speakers. Those are my everyday PC speakers. My studio monitors are Quested VS3208. Don't even think about bashing those. The speakers i have in my room for everyday music are Roland DS-90A's which retailed for over $500 a piece and have the flattest response i've seen in a long time. Get YOURSELF some GOOD speakers before you go bashing everyone elses.

Fool, you should get like a big subwoofer and hook that up to it and the bass will go boom boom. :mad:

And then on the equalizer make it like a U like this, ch'you get like a lot of bass that way.

[lancec2c30]

thats whay I have my eq set at on mine. my dad pointed me to that trick. sounds AWSOME.

[003]

Originally posted by lancec2c30
I dont mean to gang up on you. but 003 everything you say has "I dont know how to explain it.....".

Ok, I am going to try to explain resampling best I can. You know what I mean. There are things you know and understand, but when you try to put it into words it becomes hard. Don't try and tell me that you have never experienced that.

Now I need to explain what exactly the Audigy2 does wrong. See, it does support outputting a 44.1KHz signal, but only after it is resampled to 48KHz and then back down to 44.1. Dont ask me why it does this. This is why it is so bad, and it was a really poor choice on creative's part because it would actually be easier and no more expensive to just have it work at 44.1KHz. Now to explain what exactly this does and what it means.

When you resample digital audio, it will only be the same as the original if you resample to a multiple of the original sample rate (ex: going from 44.1 to 88.2). However when you resample to a samplerate other than a multiple of the original, the digital audio you end up with will not be the same as what you started with.

This is because extra samples need to be added using one technique or another (3900 samples/second). They need to be interpolated. Then when you go back to 44.1 you need to remove those extra 3900 samples/s that were added. However these will not be the same samples that were originally added as the DSP won't know this was previously a 44.1 signal. Therefore the signal is distorted from the original.

Get what I'm saying?

The reason it works when the signal is resampled (and actually when it is done this way, it is not called resampling, it is called oversampling, and a lot of high end DACs and CD players actually use oversampling to reduce jitter) to a multiple of the original, is because the resampling process has no approximation, just simple antialising filters.

[EricB]

Originally posted by 003
Ok, I am going to try to explain resampling best I can. You know what I mean. There are things you know and understand, but when you try to put it into words it becomes hard. Don't try and tell me that you have never experienced that.

Now I need to explain what exactly the Audigy2 does wrong. See, it does support outputting a 44.1KHz signal, but only after it is resampled to 48KHz and then back down to 44.1. Dont ask me why it does this. This is why it is so bad, and it was a really poor choice on creative's part because it would actually be easier and no more expensive to just have it work at 44.1KHz. Now to explain what exactly this does and what it means.

When you resample digital audio, it will only be the same as the original if you resample to a multiple of the original sample rate (ex: going from 44.1 to 88.2). However when you resample to a samplerate other than a multiple of the original, the digital audio you end up with will not be the same as what you started with.

This is because extra samples need to be added using one technique or another (3900 samples/second). They need to be interpolated. Then when you go back to 44.1 you need to remove those extra 3900 samples/s that were added. However these will not be the same samples that were originally added as the DSP won't know this was previously a 44.1 signal. Therefore the signal is distorted from the original.

Get what I'm saying?

The reason it works when the signal is resampled (and actually when it is done this way, it is not called resampling, it is called oversampling, and a lot of high end DACs and CD players actually use oversampling to reduce jitter) to a multiple of the original, is because the resampling process has no approximation, just simple antialising filters.

like I said. he heard that from one guy who showed one link. I asked creative support and they said different.

[The General]

Originally posted by lancec2c30
thats whay I have my eq set at on mine. my dad pointed me to that trick. sounds AWSOME.

God, I'll let Crysalis explain it this time. I figured everyone knew I was joking.

[003]

Originally posted by EricB
like I said. he heard that from one guy who showed one link. I asked creative support and they said different.

Uhh, no it's basic math. If you resample a 44.1KHz signal to 48KHz, 3900 samples per second are added.

When it is downsampled back to 44.1KHz, 3900samples per second are removed. But they are not the same 3900samples/s that were added, the DSP has no way of knowing the signal used to be 44.1KHz.

Creative support did not say "different". They did not answer your question. They avoided it.

Once again, for like the fifth time already, I give you the chance to point out to me where creative said:
The DSP in the Audigy2 does not resample to 48KHz and then back down to 44.1KHz before outputting CD audio or other 44.1KHz material.

Only you won't point it out to me. Because you cant. Because your question was not answered.

Send them another e-mail, asking this and only this:

"Does the DSP in the Audigy2 ZS resample CD audio and other 44.1KHz material to 48KHz and then back down to 44.1 before outputting the signal? In other words, does the DSP support outputting a true, unmodified and non-resampled 44.1KHz signal?"

Ask them that. And I guarantee you they will either avoid the question again, say no, or more likely they will slide out of answering a simple yes or no question by telling you that your product is no longer under warranty.

[lancec2c30]

Originally posted by The General
God, I'll let Crysalis explain it this time. I figured everyone knew I was joking.

honestly I think it sounds better then just being flatlined. and I like having good highs and low basses.

So if this is my preference in audio would this or would it not be a proper setting for my EQ?????