[joesonlineaucs]

Hi all,

I recently learn HTML (yes very boring, basic language) and I was wondering which way to go next. I am looking to eventually know how to build programs that would be used everyday along with small, basic games..I was wondering if C or C++ would be good or rather Python which I heard is fairly easy and pretty effective in order to do what I want to do. I am also looking to learn webscripting (php, etc). And I thought python did this, but I am unsure. Please help!


Thank you all,


Joe

[office politics]

the first high level language i learn was C. T took two college courses, intro to programming and data structures, which both taught only the C language. After completing these courses, I feel i can teach myself any language.

i never worked with python tho.

[Soundmaster2.0]

Start with basic or Visual Basic. They will teach you the basic structures of programming such as loops and if statements.

[office politics]

the first thing they taught me in school was how to write flowcharts for programs. This is considered the planning stage and shows you how the program runs. It's also nice cus you can use the flowchart to comment your code. This is a very good skill to have for any language.

[Soundmaster2.0]

Yeah we learned flowcharting too. It is useless for the smaller programs but for the programs that have a lot of advanced logic in them the flowcharts save you a lot of debugging time.

[Chankama]

Just start with C man. The basics are very easy to learn and you can start writing programs without worrying about "new developments" in programming dealing with Object Oriented concepts and what not. Pointers and such needs to be learnt when you program in C. But, it is an essential fundamental concept that every programmer should know.

And regardless of what people try to say, it is not a hard concept. I made my first C program when I was in grade 9 - a BattleShip! game. That was about 10 years ago. If a middle/high school kid can learn C, anyone else should be able to also. .

[psyb0rg]

Start with C++. Then after the basics, you can move on to the more advanced Object Oriented side. If you get the hang of it all, you can move to Visual Basic or Visual C++. VB is fairly easy and you can make apps easily. VC++ is harder and has a lot more detail, compared to VB. meaning more power in the hands of the programmer,.
As for the web bit, if you get along with C++, you can shift to JAVA (my opinion). It would allow you to make web apps and simple games too.

[xenos]

Definitely start with C++. Don't bother with Basic unless you're interested in Visual Basic where you can create windows forms really easily. But even then it'd be better to go with Visual C++. Basic is so oversimplistic/useless that it has absolutely no value in modern programming. After doing C++, Java is definitely a good choice.

[mgoldb2]

I agree with the people that say C++ first. C++ can teach you all the basic concepts with out forcing you to learn object orineated design and exception handling to begin with. Java forces you to learn those 2 things from the very start. Plus you can get a much better understanding of pointers from c++ then java. C++ allows you to do all the work with pointers your self. Nice part about C++ is they give you total freedem to program anyway you want unlike java.

Java took the phiolphy that we cant trust the programmer to make good code so we going to limit some of the control so the programmers force to make better code.

[i_learn]

i would say, learn c first, altho c++ would allow you more freedom with syntax, but wither of the two. its not that difficult once you keep writing programs.