thanks all of you, but i got it last night, mgoldb2, the second one is not 16 and 7 but 18 and 7, check it out,
also, it is 2 +2+2, if yuo take it as 1+2+3 then with that thought process we end up wil still more odd results, unless of course i am seein it wrong, try your same idea with q=++j + ++j + j++;
where j is 1 and q is 0.