Yes........With 16 pipes ATI better pull a rabit out of a hat.......I guess since they are making the gpu for the xbox 360 things won't be absolutely messed up for them if the x1800x series flops.......From what I have read the ATI gpu in the xbox 360 is really nice, and would make a pretty decent video card. Strange really, the x1800x has 16 pipes and the ATI xbox 360 gpu has 48 pipes?