go Creative with out seconds toughts... Ipods suck, they have tons of problems... trust me
-after 2 years, your battery fails, and it's crappy cuz the battery is not removable like the zen
-after 3 years, your HD fails, and that just sucks...
-crappy cuz it doesn't have an OFF button, so if it freeses, you are screwed, you have to wait till the battery ends... happened to some ppl
-bettery life sucks compared to the Zen
-sometimes the wheel decides to be a biotch, and won't respond anymore, and it's he!! of annoying
"Get Creative!"