[EricB]

Originally posted by DJ-CHRIS
The only thing we disagree on is that is not the only difference.

I even think the cheap soundblaster is 1 volt out but that's all you want.

Also dog's wouldnt be able to hear the difference, dogs can hear higher, but both consumer and pro cards are 20 \ 20, with the rare ones going down lower to like 15 and some up to 22

well explain it to me then. what other difference do you hear? I've explain my reasons in great detail. Can you explain yours in detail?

also it's a fact dog can hear higher frequencies and better than us. A dog can hear any frequency (in the 20-20,000) at 160 db down. we could never approach that level. so that mean that dogs can hear better and not just higher.

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Originally posted by EricB
Man you don't like SB do you?

If you use the spdif or optical out function, it doesn't make a difference on sound quality. They all sound the same. Your digital processor (usually your DD receiver) is doing the work, not the sound card. It’s is merely sending the digital data to the processor.

Another thing. Those world best cd players are a waste of money. they sound every bit as good as any good 24 (120+ Signal to Noise Ratio) bit cd player and to 90% of the world, they sound as good as any 16bit (90=S/N ratio) cd player. If you got Coaxial or Optical out on a cd player (16 or 24 bit) and you have a 24 bit DD receiver, There is no difference in sound either.

A dog could probably hear the difference, but not us. Nobody I mean nobody that human can tell the difference in something that has a s/n of 125-130 db from something that has 115-120db. There is no music out there to exploit this difference anyway. Only those spectacular CD’s.

Now most humans can't tell the difference in sound if the signal to noise ratio is greater than 85 DB's. True audiophile's can tell the difference in something that has an s/n of 120db compare to 90db.

Now here where it get complicated. Some people claim they can here a difference and they really can’t. It is just their mind having them think, that they can, because they know it is an improvement, so they think that they can hear a difference.

Other tricks by the industry is to have that super CD player changed inside in certain ways. Like internally in that CD player. They will boost the lower midrange (400-600 Hz), cut the mid high range (1-4 kHz where our ears are the most sensitive to loud sound) sound, because they know that, that this new sound will be an improvement. They will also boost the preamp output voltage, because to most people, louder is better. They will also put an expander / compressor in the loop, so people can hear the difference. Guess what. That’s cheating. Because if you do that to the 16 bit CD player it will sound the same way.

Denon is notorious for cheating. They play at high end. Most of their product don’t even make spec when you test them. You might not even have what they say that they put in it.