Im nuetral but id say its definetely NOT impossible for ATI to lose, whether with AMD or not. And im with Sora that Nvidia hasnt been sitting around for the past 5-6 months and waiting for R600 to come out to start developing the latest and greatest. So we will see, its been quite awhile later so i hope ATI cooks up something for Nvidia to compete with, because with competition, the consumers win!