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Search Tech-Forums - link takes you to our Forum's search page. Note: The following is only a text archive! To view the actual forum discussion, please visit our website at http://www.tech-forums.net Pages:1 dell poll!(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: talldude123 i thought it would be neat to do a simple dell poll, here it is: Posted by: talldude123 im a loser, i clicked YES :( Posted by: brady Dell is good for Coporate accounts, and thats about it. Posted by: beedubaya Dell is good if you buy the business varieties. The consumer products are complete crap. Everybody here is a pretty hardcore gamer so there wont be many vote yes on the poll. Posted by: talldude123 i know alot about computers, but i basically surf the net, and listen to music/watch videos. Is a dell good enough for that type of computing? Posted by: beedubaya You can build one for pretty cheap to do those functions. Dells use crummy parts. Also if you build, if you want to get into gaming ever, you will have that option. Dells don't like you to upgrade them. If you dont want to build, go to a local computer store and have it built. Posted by: talldude123 if i was looking for a CHEAP big-name computer that could be upgraded later, what would be a good brand? Emachines, Gateway, HP? Posted by: beedubaya None of those will allow you to upgrade them. They are all proprietary. Just ask Riceball or NosBoost300. You could get a custom Systemax one that would be a bit better, but any of the big consumer brands just suck when it comes to parts and upgradability. Posted by: talldude123 what is NOT upgradable on a dell? you could upgrade the memory and HD right? i guess the video card, sound card, ethernet, etc. isnt upgradable? Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by talldude123 [/i] [B]what is NOT upgradable on a dell? you could upgrade the memory and HD right? i guess the video card, sound card, ethernet, etc. isnt upgradable? [/B][/QUOTE] Well, a lot of the time, the memory uses special voltages so you MUST purchase Dell brand memory. I've seen this numerous times. You wont be able to upgrade the video card because most of the time, they dont include an AGP or PCI-Express slot, only PCI(standard). Even if you do have an AGP or PCI-Express slot, your PSU won't be strong enough to support a new graphics card. Depending on your model, you may or may not be able to replace the PSU. More than likely you wouldn't because they use proprietary PSUs designed to fit into their cases and none other will fit. They are usually 250W or 300W these days, very weak if you want to run a non-integrated graphics board. Posted by: talldude123 wow, i didnt know dells were like that. i know the cases on them are made of the cheapest plastic ever (my friend has one, its PLASTIC! now another topic: which AMD is equivalent to the speed of a pentium 4 2.4-2.8 Ghz? about an Athlon 2200 2.0 Ghz? Posted by: beedubaya Just go with an Athlon 64 3000+ or 3200+. They are cheap and since you don't game, you'll be set for a while. Posted by: talldude123 first of all, in my personal opinion, i think AMDs are slow. Would a Celeron 3.33 ghz be good for basic computing, or should i STAY AWAY from celeron? Posted by: schulz269 i use this pentium 4 630 3.0ghz for websites/multi tasking and it does the job Posted by: talldude123 except you dont need 160 GB of HD space, unless you got it on sale... what graphics are you using? Aspire Xplorer? Posted by: thebleakness My friend has some sort of dell, he put an FX5700 in it (i think) because all he had was PCI. Then he added another DVD burner and a 250gb HDD. Needless to say, it didnt run too well. Hes now using my old Xion 480W psu (total P.O.S. psu :( ) because the one that came in it was only 250W. He was also trying to upgrade the cpu to something better but from what he says you cant buy many in that configuration. Anything better needs a new mobo (this is micro-atx) which needs a bigger case and it goes on. So i would say no, i dont like dells. Posted by: Trotter Actually, eMachines are upgradable, but not overclockable. Be sure to get one with a socket 939 and PCI-E. I know I've upgraded to tar out of mine. Posted by: talldude123 i remember upgrading my 2000 emachines (previous PC) to 128 MB RAM, what a difference in speed! Also upgraded the HD to 40 gigs. Posted by: maroon1 the best computer [url]http://www.dell.com/ces/[/url] it has Quad-SLI video cards and pentium dual core EE overclocked to 4.26GHZ Posted by: FghtinIrshNvrDi man... dells blow if you're talking home-market. I had to put an FX5500 in a friend's dell so he could play CS:S. The sad thing is, he thought that video card is awesome. Hopefully his PSU dies so I can replace it and the motherboard, and case. That would make me smile. Ryan Posted by: Apokalipse [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by talldude123 [/i] [B]first of all, in my personal opinion, i think AMDs are slow.[/B][/QUOTE]why do you say that? Posted by: Shumway He still think's Ghz mean everything. Posted by: FghtinIrshNvrDi Actually, he posted somewhere else about this. His computer feels faster than his parents. I believe we decided it was chocked full of spyware and viruses. Even though that AMD processor would kick the snot out of the one we were comparing. There's really no 'opinion' about it. The AMD isn't slower. Ryan Posted by: talldude123 you're correct ryan. my parents computer hasnt been reformatted since it was built, so its probably contaminated with old programs and internet history, which is making the computer run like **** Posted by: ATIRAGEPRO [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by talldude123 [/i] [B]if i was looking for a CHEAP big-name computer that could be upgraded later, what would be a good brand? Emachines, Gateway, HP? [/B][/QUOTE][COLOR=darkred]Emachines is allways the best.[/COLOR] ;) :cool: Posted by: talldude123 Emachines is pretty good, because HP is such a huge company...and Gateway has zero product support, from what i have heard. And Emachines are upgradable and cheap. Posted by: jrh2008 I hate dell have had one before and its crap Posted by: talldude123 necropost... Posted by: ATIRAGEPRO [SIZE=4]WHY ARE YOU RAISING THE DEAD???[/SIZE] [COLOR=darkblue]Let this thread die of Suckulization![/COLOR] :mad: :freak::cool: Posted by: talldude123 yes, dells dead. Well it will be in 5 years. Posted by: ulater6000 I like the fact that you can buy a new pc with monitor from them for only like $300USD. (even thought it will be a peice of ****) I like Dells ability to make home pcs afordable. However... Just in general....I dont like dell as a company. Therye to single minded and stuck on using just intel. They have no open mind for all the technology out there. Posted by: jdhore1 I REALLY don't like Dells and the only reason i have a Dell laptop is that when i was buying it, i wanted the cheapest brand new laptop i could find and it cost me only like $625 in March of 2005 and it's still running pretty good a year later Posted by: talldude123 dells would be alot better if they were sold retail. The only way to get a dell is thru shipping. Posted by: Harper The reason why i don't like DELL is that they are saturating the market is really CHEAP PCs, Notebooks, Servers, PDA. And sadly people are too stupid to not read the fine print. Eg. $99 dollar delivery. And that it take about 6 weeks to deliver. Or they are too stupid to realise that the computer is really too underpowered for tomorrow's needs. Eg. 256Mb Ram and CD Rom Drive. I had some bigwig at microsoft tell me last year "If you are not all ready installing DVD Roms and 512Mb Ram as standard with your white box, you better start doing that [b]NOW[/b]" Dell Spare Parts.... If you think the US$75 Dell Case fan was bad. I had some customer come in rather angry that Dell wanted AU$300 for a replacement motherboard and that it would take 6 weeks to 3 months to deliver it. And I will not even start of the fact that there cheap systems are under powers Dell Marketing.... With your Double your memory for Higher Hard drive up grade for free. When in reality, it only about $10 difference between 256Mb and 512Mb Ram. I really don't like dell as they are prostituting the rest of the computer market. And squeezing the margin out of computer sales every where else. Posted by: ATIRAGEPRO [b][RANT][/b][COLOR=darkblue]One thing that realy gets on my nurves is when tomorrows neeeds are sometimes literally [b]Tomorrow![/b][/COLOR] :freak: [COLOR=indigo]You all say Dell is low quality, (Which is true in every way) but sometimes the system requirements for software these days are just plain idiotic. I looked on a box containing Dreamweaver 8 and saw it required 500mhz PIII and 128 mb of ram! What the #311 is that about??[/COLOR] [COLOR=darkblue]I'd hate to sound old fashioned, but as far as I can remember, people have been editing HTML ever since the Intel Pentium 1 reached 100mhz! So why in the heck would an HTML editor require 128mb of ram?? You don't need that much ram, or a 500mhz CPU to go on the internet, do you? So why do you need that much more to make an HTML page then you would to view one?[/COLOR] :rolleyes: :rolleyes: [COLOR=darkblue]And I've noticed that the 3D programs like Carrara studio 3.0 and Poser 6 have the lowest system requirements out of any of the expensive software on the market. [b]3D programs that MAKE 3D games have lower system requirements than the games themselves??[/b] WTF?[/COLOR] :eek: [b][/R@NT][/b] [COLOR=darkblue]::PS:: 90 dollars is exacly the price that is required by UPS to ship a package of that weight, so Dell isn't making any profit from shipping at all. ;) Another thing, Dell isn't behind in it's years for the simple fact of the way they market. Dell is only marketing to the home buyer. (Grown-ups who use their computer to work.) [b]These are not gaming PC's!![/b] I know they suck, but you guys are arguing from a Gamer's standpoint! (16 year olds who think everything should be overclocked to [b][i]ashes[/i][/b], and require an industrial strength [i]Liquid cooling system[/i] to contain it's awsume power!!!! :freak: :dead: ) Let's be fair about this. Nobody who does office work requires a liquid cooled AMD 64 3.0ghz (1600mhz system bus) with a 2mb L2 and L3 CACHE, do they?[/COLOR] :p :cool: Posted by: NathanM My first two computers when I was younger were Dells. I must admit that for the average casual PC user, they'll easily do the job and appear to be great PCs. But as my knowledge of computers increased and dealt with customer support, I realised that they're highly overpriced and their customer support is trash. Outsourcing to India ftw? So yeah, I sold my old Dell to my buddy, have a PII 350mhz one rotting in the kitchen, and built my own rig. Screw Dell and their crappy computers. Posted by: Harper [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ATIRAGEPRO [/i] [B][COLOR=darkblue]::PS:: 90 dollars is exacly the price that is required by UPS to ship a package of that weight, so Dell isn't making any profit from shipping at all. ;) [/B][/QUOTE] So how come a small time computer front such as my self can deliver a computer for $20-$30? :p Posted by: ATIRAGEPRO [COLOR=darkblue]Cuz you be livin in Awstrailyia.... Prices are different there than in USA. You guys are soo freken lucky, you have no frekin idea.[/COLOR] :( :( :cool: Posted by: ulater6000 Some of their centrino notebooks are alright. Posted by: Apokalipse [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ATIRAGEPRO [/i] [B][COLOR=darkblue]Cuz you be livin in Awstrailyia.... Prices are different there than in USA. You guys are soo freken lucky, you have no frekin idea.[/COLOR] :( :( :cool: [/B][/QUOTE]generally, prices here are a fair bit more than in the US Posted by: Harper [url]http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=37991&eid=4&edate=20060519[/url] [QUOTE][b]Dell vows more price cuts to regain momentum[/b] Dell's strategy to "re-ignite" its growth will combine long-term aggressive pricing and a $100 million investment in its customer service operations, company executives said. During a conference call with financial analysts, Dell's top executives said they were caught off-guard by the pricing competitiveness offered by rivals, and that its goal now is to come out shooting to regain any lost market share. "We'll continue to do what it takes to capture more than our fair share of growth in the global IT market," said Dell Chairman Michael Dell. "[CEO] Kevin [Rollins] and I as well as the rest of our leadership team are sure we are making the right changes and intend to stay the course." Company executives all but admitted they were caught flat-footed by price aggressiveness from rivals, including Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo, and that they were hurt when unit shipments failed to grow as much as expected as a result. Their planned actions are aimed at reversing course. "For us to have eight or nine points of margin when their profitability was very low and have growth above the industry, all of these things became a little difficult to do all at the same time," said Dell CFO Jim Schneider. "It's not like we're trying to ignite some kind of price war, but [we'll] see where we can get." In addition to aggressive pricing, Dell's new, heavy investment in customer service - including the addition of 2,000 new employees for that function - is aimed at quelling frequent complaints about shoddy service and support that have grown over the past year. "I think it's going to be the sustained, thoughtful application of where to grow, how to grow," said Schneider. "We intend to take the goals of aggressive pricing, at the same time improving product quality, improving our overall service and support. We will be in better strategic shape in the long run. Our profitability will be better." Dell executives made the remarks following release of the company's first quarter results. The company reported sales of US$14.2 billion and operating income of US$949 million for its first quarter - numbers in line with Dell's revised projections from last week. Asked by one financial analyst during the conference call whether the company would entertain the idea of two-tier distribution in "emerging geographies," Rollins shot down that idea immediately. "We're the direct company," he said.[/QUOTE] This really pi$$es me off. Like how much further does Dell want to continue prosituting the computer market. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by apokalipse [/i] [B]generally, prices here are a fair bit more than in the US [/B][/QUOTE] Try about (US to AUS Exchange Rate) + 30% on average for most computer equipment. Mind you, you have manufactures like Apple that try to keep prices the same world wide. Like there little saving in me buying a iPOD from the states. However other computer parts, there is about a 30% if i get it from the state. However that mean that I might have to send the good back there for RMA if any happens. Posted by: talldude123 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ulater6000 [/i] [B]Some of their centrino notebooks are alright. [/B][/QUOTE] Really? Dell desktops are okay, for surfing the web. But for a laptop, an HP is great. They have excellent tech support (so far), and they seem pretty fast. Posted by: Harper [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by talldude123 [/i] [B]But for a laptop, an HP is great. They have excellent tech support (so far), and they seem pretty fast. [/B][/QUOTE] HP Tech Support is only good provided that you have purchased an extended priority warranty. With that, you are normally talking with some one that is local, and not in some call center in india. Otherwise, they are done on the same level as what illwillpress showed with that PHOAMY THE SQUIREL "Tech Support" Flash Animation. "Why I am calling for first great tech support from a third world country" - Foamy Posted by: talldude123 My laptop has the Future Shop 3-year warranty, privately thru the store. HP warranty is 6 months. The only reason i had to call them is how to remove the Norton antivirus pre-loaded, its such a hog on memory, and i have to install Avast. And HP told me "boot up into safe mode, and remove Norton from there". At least i didnt have to wait on hold for 1 hour, and then get redirected to Symantec's phone line. Posted by: talldude123 Dell is finally offering a good deal. Celeron, 160GB HD, 512MB RAM, CD-writer for $350 CDN. And FREE SHIPPING! I cant afford to pass this deal. Too bad my celeron is better anyways... Posted by: Harper Here's the best bit news I have seen on this thread yet [url]http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=38164&eid=4&edate=20060524[/url] [QUOTE][b]Dell CFO admits service blunders, vows rebound[/b] Dell CFO Jim Schneider on Tuesday admitted the PC giant's zealous cost-cutting led to missteps in its services and said the company is rejiggering its workforce to help restore its reputation. Speaking at the UBS Enterprise Technology and Services Conference in New York, Schneider also told investors that the company plans no layoffs as it strives to slash US$3 billion out of its cost structure. His comments came less than a week after Dell reported quarterly earnings that disappointed Wall Street. "We need to cut a lot of costs, because we're not going to be laying people off," Schneider said. "So you're not talking about making some restructuring and taking costs out that way. We've done that before. The company is starting to get itself re-energised around some of these activities." A key problem for Dell was that it had sought less expensive ways to deliver customer service and support, which resulted in missteps that led to customer outrage, Schneider said. At the same time, competitors did a better job of cutting their costs, which put extra pressure on Dell, he noted. "Customer experience ... I don't think we purposely eroded it," Schneider said. "Along the way, we had some stumbles. We didn't become the easiest company to get service from, and if you're only a few bucks cheaper, it doesn't matter as much. We want to be more clearly the leader." Dell announced last week that it plans to spend US$100 million to improve its service capability and has already hired 2,000 people to make improvements. Schneider also said on Tuesday that Dell has redeployed some employees as part of the effort. "We've actually taken some of the best and brightest out of our manufacturing side of the business and moved a number of these people into our tech-support area to run that globally," Schneider said. He also reiterated earlier remarks from Dell executives, who said the company aims to lower its profit margin, cut pricing and regain lost market share in some areas. Schneider, though, stopped short of saying how deep cuts would be and where they would be made.[/QUOTE] Posted by: talldude123 Better service is what Dell needs. Or at least a Dell store in each province/state. Posted by: Solitary [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by talldude123 [/i] [B]first of all, in my personal opinion, i think AMDs are slow. Would a Celeron 3.33 ghz be good for basic computing, or should i STAY AWAY from celeron? [/B][/QUOTE] Then you need to get on a AMD 3000+ or above without some weird settings that make it run slow. i used to hate my 1GHz pentium 3 but it was reliable. you should stay away from a celeron really but of course, it will do the job with that CPU speed. on topic: i dislike dell. Posted by: SeaTan they are nice, but overpriced and with bad service! Posted by: weemanpow3 Dell has nice XPS though = stablity Posted by: ElsaBorzoi :cool: I could not vote a straight yes or no. I know that Dell treats their corporate clints much better than they do their home users. That being said, this poor student here recently was given a DEll hand me down when the teenager in the family that I stay with decided he needed a new custom built gaming pc for his birthday/Christmas (very close together). It uses RD Ram, which is why I ended up with it (there was a major pc shuffle here, not a direct hand me down), but I know a place around here that sells used RAM and parts, etc., so I can pimp it out very reasonably. I already upgraded the DVD drive from a mere reader to a writer. And it is the first P4 I've ever had, so I can't complain. :D Els Posted by: swtwc I don't like Dell at all. One they have weak PSU's. Also they use propeitary (sp) wiring so you can only use the PSU with that mobo. They do make a adapter for a better psu by why waste your money. Just my opinion. Posted by: vernong1992 wow a dell renegade is awesome!! [url]http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/ces/index.htm[/url] its like its on fire! Posted by: ElsaBorzoi :D , Wow! The looks are not bad; now for the number one question, though: do they provide decent tech support for it? Probably not. :cool: , Els Posted by: talldude123 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SeaTan [/i] [B]they are nice, but overpriced and with bad service! [/B][/QUOTE] Not really. For $400, you get an AMD Sempron 3400, XP Home SP2, 512MB DDR2 RAM, DVD drive, NVidia 6150LE 256MB, 7.1CH audio card. That's a pretty good price, plus it has a 1year warranty. vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2003, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. PPC Management vB Easy Archive Final - Created by Xenon |