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Search Tech-Forums - link takes you to our Forum's search page. Note: The following is only a text archive! To view the actual forum discussion, please visit our website at http://www.tech-forums.net Pages:1 Tribute video(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: Trotter A friend emailed me a link to this. I found it to be pretty good, but probably too tame for most here. A slideshow with a song sung by a US soldier. Great song, though, even though it's not my genre. [URL=http://www.flashdemo.net/gallery/wake/index.htm]If I Die Before You Wake[/URL] Posted by: hillbillybob Very nice Trotter. Awesome find. Posted by: bum Those always touch me. I've got friends still over there. Thanks. Posted by: zmatt very touching indeed. ive got a cousin over there. Posted by: jspot to someone that did a year over there it makes it so much easier to ignore the idiots that are against us in our own country,when you see things that show there are still people that back us ( even if they don't back the cause!) Very nice totter!! I e-mailed that to most of my old unit! Joshua Posted by: Enterpriser Excellent find, excellent find.... Posted by: homerj14 I too have family over in iraq.. video and song gave me a few chills :( Posted by: HAVOC Makes me want to join the military. Although, like trotter, I'm too old. So since I can't offer my boots, I'll offer my support. God bless the single greatest country on this planet. Posted by: hillbillybob Havoc, I thought you did have military service? Posted by: HAVOC Negative. But, people often make that assumtion. Must be something about my personality or may-be my BF2 skills? Posted by: hillbillybob [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HAVOC [/i] [B]Negative. But, people often make that assumtion. Must be something about my personality or may-be my BF2 skills? [/B][/QUOTE] I dunno bout all that, but it's cool. I lose some weight, quite a bit, then ya, I want to join. Posted by: LoTeX A little touchy subject here, eh? That slide show was very well done, in it's own way. But did you ever thought why it makes you wanna join the army or what ever it makes you feel? What's the message behind it? Showing US soldiers hanging out with innocent foreign kids and women. Showing grieving US soldiers, obviously cause a fellow soldier(s) had died. With melancholic music. Now where are the pics of all the rapes, executions of innocent civilians and household pets, mutilated bodies, desperation, loosing sanity. The unpleasant reality of every war. Oh, but that wouldn't make people wanna join the army or think that US troops are only trying to help the innocent ones of foreign people, while the guilty ones apparently kill people for no reason. This is how wikipedia defines the word propaganda: [i]Propaganda is a type of message aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of people. Often, instead of impartially providing information, propaganda can be deliberately misleading, using logical fallacies, which, while sometimes convincing, are not necessarily valid. Propaganda techniques include: patriotic flag-waving, glittering generalities, intentional vagueness, oversimplification of complex issues, rationalization, introducing unrelated red herring issues, using appealing, simple slogans, stereotyping, testimonials from authority figures or celebrities, unstated assumptions, and encouraging readers or viewers to "jump on the bandwagon" of a particular point of view.[/i] I'd suggest thinking twice before joining army. IMO people are wasting their (and others) lives for no good reason. *Now enjoy deleting this reply as well, since I don't share your opinion.* Posted by: hillbillybob Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin *sigh* firefox is right, so Ill delete my earlier rebuttle, but im keeping the quote, cause it's good. I call on LoTeX to show the same respect. Posted by: FireFox Ugh. Not one of those arguments in a thread like this. -_- Posted by: LoTeX [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hillbillybob [/i] [B]Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin [/B][/QUOTE] Yes, the quote itself is good, I just don't see the relevance? Do you mean that in this case "essential liberty" is the choice of going to war and "a little temporary safety" is staying at home passing the killing? Right. As you (hopefully) know, this war hasn't got much to do with safety or liberty, it's all about money... [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hillbillybob [/i] [B] *sigh* firefox is right, so Ill delete my earlier rebuttle, but im keeping the quote, cause it's good. I call on LoTeX to show the same respect. [/B][/QUOTE] Show the same respect? You want me to delete my comments cause you deleted some of yours? Sorry, but I stand behind my opinion. And thanks to the mods/admins, I don't have to delete my inputs, they usually do it. Quite quickly, in fact. :D A little healthy debate shouldn't hurt anyone. Peace.;):p Posted by: Trotter Inputs are fine, posting garbage ain't. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how loopy it is. Some atrocities will happen whether there is a war are not simply because there are human beings involved. But casting all of the soldiers of our military as being guilty of them won't fly. Your other posts were deleted by me. Any further along those lines will meet the same fate. Posted by: LoTeX [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B]Inputs are fine, posting garbage ain't. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how loopy it is. Some atrocities will happen whether there is a war are not simply because there are human beings involved. [/B][/QUOTE] Sorry for having a loopy/different opinion. :p Surely atrocities will happen all the time, but for some reason they're much more common during the wars. I suppose killing other people and seeing them killed can be pretty hard for one's psyche. Even if one is trying to fool oneself thinking that enemies are not humans. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B] But casting all of the soldiers of our military as being guilty of them won't fly. [/B][/QUOTE] Never said that. I said about those things in general. Cruelties are done by all the participating sides, no matter what country they come from. I have nothing against US troops personally, they didn't decide to start the war, the government did, and their purposes are very questionable (the video link I posted...). I'm just against the whole war in general. And IMO that slide show and music is a well done propaganda, promoting the whole war. That's why I had to say something, especially since everyone else was buying it. God bless America...and why not all the other countries as well, while (s)he's at it? Let's not be selfish. :) Posted by: Trotter I guess we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum then. While I'm not wild about us being in a war, I see the need for us to be there. I am also very much in support of our troops, both in the middle east , abroad, and at home. Whoever happens to be in office doesn't change anything for me. If I see the need, I will back it 100%. But then I would have to say that I am "old school"... God, family, country, and all that. Actually, the video is about the soldiers and their families, both back home and brothers in arms. It had nothing to do with the government, nor did it promote any single view (other than that of the wishes of the soldiers). I guess I took insult where none was intended. My apologies. Posted by: LoTeX No problem. We obviously have different views and thoughts. And that's how it should be, wouldn't it be boring if everybody had the same thoughts. :D But I still have to disagree with you about that video. And to my relief, I wasn't the only one here. I'm now quoting a part of PM I got yesterday from a certain member: [i]"I feel the same way about that "tribute" video trotter posted. That's why I simply didn't post in there. No matter how you look at it, it's an attempt to make it look like we're underdog crusaders fighting for justice or something when that's simply not the case."[/i] I couldn't have put it better myself. Peace. Posted by: Crysalis [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B]I guess we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum then. While I'm not wild about us being in a war, I see the need for us to be there. I am also very much in support of our troops, both in the middle east , abroad, and at home. Whoever happens to be in office doesn't change anything for me. If I see the need, I will back it 100%. But then I would have to say that I am "old school"... God, family, country, and all that.[/B][/QUOTE] +1 :cool: Posted by: Trotter [quote]I feel the same way about that "tribute" video trotter posted.[/quote]Actually, I didn't post the video. i posted a link to it, along with a brief description so anyone who didn't wish to see it wouldn't have to. I ask all posters to do the same... I edit or deleted embedded videos. [quote]No matter how you look at it, it's an attempt to make it look like we're underdog crusaders fighting for justice or something when that's simply not the case.[/quote]It was an attempt to show the humanity of those who are there. It did not glorify any one or any thing. If it had, it wouldn't have been linked, as it would have been too political. I understand that not everyone will see things like I do, or feel the same way I do. That doesn't bother me. But anyone putting down my country, or the military, or the men and women who are serving in the military, and I take offense. Those who are not from the US, and many who are, feel it is their duty to slam the US, her president, and her military. I try to not return the favor, as every country and its citizens deserve that much respect. Posted by: LoTeX [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B] so anyone who didn't wish to see it wouldn't have to.[/B] [/QUOTE] To me this sounds like other way of saying "negative comments not welcome"...? While positive is usually more fun that negative, one has to prepare to both positive and negative (and perhaps a few neutral) comments, when posting on public forum. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B]It did not glorify any one or any thing. [/B][/QUOTE] Yes it did. But if you still can't see it, too bad. I give up. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B]If it had, it wouldn't have been linked, as it would have been too political. [/B][/QUOTE] That's was the first thing I thought was weird, cause it says up there: "Threads about Religion, Politics, and/or Sex have not been manageable and are not allowed." This war is all about politics. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i] [B] But anyone putting down my country, or the military, or the men and women who are serving in the military, and I take offense. Those who are not from the US, and many who are, feel it is their duty to slam the US, her president, and her military. I try to not return the favor, as every country and its citizens deserve that much respect. [/B][/QUOTE] True. There are people who dislike America(ns) just because it's America. That's just plain stupid. I personally don't care about gender, race, age, country of origin, social class etc., I try to base my opinions on facts, not feelings. So if my country's (or any other, for that matter) government (includes military) does something stupid, I acknowledge it and don't necessarily approve it. To me this is common sense. But that's just me. Now to sum this all up: Make love, not sex. :beard: Posted by: Trotter [quote]To me this sounds like other way of saying "negative comments not welcome"...?[/quote] I totally expected some negative comments. I just didn't want to subject anyone to the video who didn't choose to watch it. Call it common courtesy. [quote]This war is all about politics.[/quote] There we disagree, but let's not turn this into a political debate. Rather, let's agree to disagree. [quote]To me this is common sense.[/quote] Agreed. [quote]Make love, not sex.[/quote] If only everyone knew the difference between the two. :( Posted by: j369852147412 great video, it really makes you think about what all those men and women are giving up to defend our country. just like what trotter said, i'm not exactly thrilled about the war, but i do understand why our troops have to be there. Posted by: hillbillybob ehhh...I did take offense, mostly on the propaganda side. LoTeX - anytime man, anytime. 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