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Posted by: Rookie_Tech

I'm starting at Devry soon for there Tech-Managment program. I was wondering what you guys think of the job opertunities in Southern Cal with this degree would look like in a year or so? I am planning on having my concentration in Hardware and/or Networking.

Also what do you guys think of Devry? I am very excited to start my learning in a feild i have always been very interested with.

Posted by: Crunkadelic

Ive been thinking about goin to DeVry. I dont mean to get off of subject but is the tutition there pretty high?

Posted by: Rookie_Tech

Depends on how you plan on attending, either via internet course or on campus or a combo of both its about $6k per semester or about $500 per unit. Expensive but well worth it in my perspective. What field are you planning on going into?

Posted by: Quantum Bit

For that money and considering the school is devry you are getting totally ripped off mate. Consider a school which is accreddited by abet.

Posted by: kirab

for that kind of money you are better off taking 'information technology management' (since it looks like thats the kind of thing you're interested in) at a university - which will get you much better job prospects.

Posted by: Rookie_Tech

I feel good going with Devry, i dont think a degree from a University would be looked at as much more than one from Devry? Cheaper yes, better i dont think so.

Posted by: Quantum Bit

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rookie_Tech [/i]
[B]I feel good going with Devry, i dont think a degree from a University would be looked at as much more than one from Devry? Cheaper yes, better i dont think so. [/B][/QUOTE]

There are 2 major reasons why Devry is looked down upon:

1. They are a highly advertised online/classroom training which there sole purpose obviously is to make money. Therefore, they do not have the educated faculty that even a cheap state school would provide.. Why pay for good faculty when the average student would not notice because they have no research requirement.. So in my opinion it is more like a technical highschool or community college all over again.. My understanding is they now offer 4 year degrees also?????

and the 2nd reason and most important reason when going to get a job is that devry is not accreddited by ABET.. Therefore many places will not even consider you... The reason they are not accreddited by ABET is because of the first reason, they do not have the educated faculty or research.. and there classes are not up to the ABET standard...

Even a 4 year degree at a cheap state school would be better because the faculty and school would be like a real 4 year degree program..

So, I would advise you to reconsider and go to a state school which is ABET accreddited. You would have so many more job oppurtunities.

Posted by: Rookie_Tech

Yes they offer many 4 year degrees, and i understand where your coming from. I chose Devry becasue i felt it was a good move, i know there were many other possable moves i could have made that would have ben better but i feel good about where i am going and i doubt that going to this place instead of a university will cripple my job oppertunities. I plan on getting my BS in Technical Managment to help me get my foot in the door with a good job then down the road working on and Engineering Degree possably from a different place. I apreciate your consern and know what your telling me has truth but i feel the path i have chosen is a good one and have no regrets.

Posted by: King X13

just to put perspective on it for you guys, all i have is high school and im a systems administrator for a district and web designer for many companies. you work hard and know what you are doing and a piece of paper you paid 30,000 for means nothing.

The IT field is a tricky place cuz you can come out with a masters degree in computer whatever from a college that you paid up into 50,000 for prob and i walk in actually knowing what im doing and not having something that says eh i may know what im doing cuz i was shown it and i would get the job.

the only thing a degree is good for in the IT field is if you want to be a manager and not be hands on with computers. you want to be hands on with networks and hardware like i am and your better off getting certs in the area then paying for college where you need to know proper english to work on a server.

Posted by: Quantum Bit

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by King X13 [/i]
[B]just to put perspective on it for you guys, all i have is high school and im a systems administrator for a district and web designer for many companies. you work hard and know what you are doing and a piece of paper you paid 30,000 for means nothing.

The IT field is a tricky place cuz you can come out with a masters degree in computer whatever from a college that you paid up into 50,000 for prob and i walk in actually knowing what im doing and not having something that says eh i may know what im doing cuz i was shown it and i would get the job.

the only thing a degree is good for in the IT field is if you want to be a manager and not be hands on with computers. you want to be hands on with networks and hardware like i am and your better off getting certs in the area then paying for college where you need to know proper english to work on a server. [/B][/QUOTE]

In the perfect world this should happen.. But in the real world we live in today if you do not have the 4 year degree you are discluded from just about every serious oppurtunity.. It is hard to even work in the restraunt business without some kind of degree.

I believe what you're saying KING, but you are one of the lucky ones who has never run into problems without having a degree. But you will eventually and I bet you end up back in college.. It really is a shame that even though you have experience working a job with college educated people, that he gets promoted because he has a 4 year degree, but you get left behind in the closet because you do not "qualify for the promotions etc."

Look at this article which complains about how the US not having many skilled workers. A skilled worker is someone with atleast a 4 year degree. This is happening because before any citizen could make a decent living with just a trade and a highschool diploma.. But now the cost of living is increasing dramatically and china and all these **** countries are stealing our unskilled work, read: [url]http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/04/news/economy/jobs_outlook/index.htm?postversion=2007010416[/url]

Best of luck

Posted by: Rookie_Tech

I agree its not about where you go or how much you pay its the simple fact that you earn a 4 year degree and you know what your doing. My school may not be recognized by ABET, but i will recive my degree and know what im doing. In addition i plan on getting all my certs, A+, Network +, CCDA, CCNA ect..

Posted by: King X13

well good luck to you, but i hope one day me and you get to sit at the same interview after you get your 4 year degree, and i say well ive installed cisco 2950 switches, ran 5 DC's, manages 2000 users in active directory, etc. oh but i only have high school. and you go well i have never done any of that but i got a 3.5 in english and a 3.7 in math so i should be able to do that stuff.

IT is much different then your normal job, i admit i will never get a job managing a hotel, or any of that stuff, but you need college for those things. configuring a switch, the industry knows you dont need to know how to spell big works and write a complete essay.

but good luck to ya.

Posted by: superdave1984

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by King X13 [/i]
[B]well good luck to you, but i hope one day me and you get to sit at the same interview after you get your 4 year degree, and i say well ive installed cisco 2950 switches, ran 5 DC's, manages 2000 users in active directory, etc. oh but i only have high school. and you go well i have never done any of that but i got a 3.5 in english and a 3.7 in math so i should be able to do that stuff.

IT is much different then your normal job, i admit i will never get a job managing a hotel, or any of that stuff, but you need college for those things. configuring a switch, the industry knows you dont need to know how to spell big works and write a complete essay.

but good luck to ya. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually the job would probably go to the guy with the degree. Like was mentioned before, many companies REQUIRE a degree just to be considered. Many are requiring either a 4 year degree or more than 5 years experience. Sure, you probably know more than most folks in the IT field, but hiring managers don't look at everything. They just look at what they are told to look at. It also depends on the size of the company you apply to. Bigger companies generally require that piece of paper AND experience. Been there, done that. Personally, if I were hiring, I would go for the experienced applicant.

Posted by: Quantum Bit

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by King X13 [/i]
[B]well good luck to you, but i hope one day me and you get to sit at the same interview after you get your 4 year degree, and i say well ive installed cisco 2950 switches, ran 5 DC's, manages 2000 users in active directory, etc. oh but i only have high school. and you go well i have never done any of that but i got a 3.5 in english and a 3.7 in math so i should be able to do that stuff.

IT is much different then your normal job, i admit i will never get a job managing a hotel, or any of that stuff, but you need college for those things. configuring a switch, the industry knows you dont need to know how to spell big works and write a complete essay.

but good luck to ya. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, what you seem to not understand is if you go to a 4 year college for a degree in information systems, then you are going to be well prepared and have much experience with the real thing. If you care enough about what you're doing you will get into research with the professors and learn much more then someone with 100 years of experience..

So lets reevaluate the scenario you posed:

You say you have experience with this and that cisco switch/router and I say I have that experience also and I have published 2 research papers in automous networking with so and so from the university while getting my 4 year degree in information systems.. Who looks better? Most schools only have 15-30 credits of nonsense liberal arts, the rest of the 90 or so credits are major related classes.

But to be honest, most people will not even let you come into an interview in IT without atleast a 2 year degree if not a 4 year degree..

Like I said, all the power to you though, it seems you are one lucky man to have made it into IT with just a hs diploma, I hope your luck continues!

Posted by: Rookie_Tech

So what im getting from this is its mainly not where you went to get your degree, yet its that you get it and know what your doing in the field you plan on working in. Experiance is key so establishing an internship soon would be important. And finally getting all my certs is a must. Thx for all your imput guys i apreciated your concerns and wished of good luck.

Posted by: M4A1

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rookie_Tech [/i]
[B]So what im getting from this is its mainly not where you went to get your degree, yet its that you get it and know what your doing in the field you plan on working in. Experiance is key so establishing an internship soon would be important. And finally getting all my certs is a must. Thx for all your imput guys i apreciated your concerns and wished of good luck. [/B][/QUOTE]

I would say it does matter where you get your degree. When does it not? I would assume you'd have a better chance of getting an interview request if you had gone to the reputable school X rather than the non-ABET accredited school Y.

In regards with the internship, you are absolutely correct. :D :D Find one and work your *** of in it... excuse my strong language.

In regards with certifications, if you're going to be doing IT work, sure go ahead. If you're going to be doing engineering work, then don't even bother getting any -- as they do not help you in the actual workplace. You might be able to put something on your resume about your certs, but it would not help.