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Search Tech-Forums - link takes you to our Forum's search page. Note: The following is only a text archive! To view the actual forum discussion, please visit our website at http://www.tech-forums.net Pages:1 Wii or Xbox 360(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: alextrzaska Ok i am wondering of what everyone thinks is better, is the nintendo wii better or the xbox 360 i do prefer great graphics but i also love wii's style of gameplay. I was also wondering when the next shippment date is for wii's, the current date is 11/28/06. I need help choosing a wii or xbox360. please list some reasons to support your decision Posted by: baronvongogo all depends on what games you like, I have a pc and most xbox360 games come out for that anyway so i don't bother buying one. It also seems to be sports and racing games mainly with only gears of war as a title id play. The Wii is innovative and new I like nintendo's direction for gaming and I couldn't care about graphics. Why people moan about graphics and then go and play some downloaded snes games I don't know.. Posted by: TheEnd187 just get a PS3 Posted by: alextrzaska to much money Posted by: TheDiceman I have played all three of the current gen ssytems and honestly the Wii has provided me with more fun than any system has since I got my original NES. And this is coming from a gamer who has sworn by Sony for his primary gaming needs for many years now. Yeah teh grahpics are nothign in cmparison to the 360, but it is so **** fun to play I just do not care. As fo the PS3... Sony has by and large disappointed me with a sub-par system. Posted by: TheEnd187 wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics Posted by: baronvongogo [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics [/B][/QUOTE] ...urgh...after reading that im going to have a cold shower to calm me down Posted by: n30phYte Seriously. It hurted my brain. Posted by: aaronkupen The end, first of all the sixaxis controller is not the same as the wii. Secondly, having a bigger disc does not benefit games, in fact I have been reading material that developers might start just putting the procedures for generating models onto the disc which could even free up more space on the dvd (which has yet to be maxed out). Thirdly, having a max resolution does not justify a console as being better (even though the xbox360 can output 1080p... hdmi is not required to go above 720P). Also, you should note the techincal problems behind the PS3 trying to output 1080i, and also the blu ray resolution bug. Fourth, what if someone does not want all the unnecessary bang? Xbox360 offers everything the ps3 does with add ons and doesn't force the buyer to purcahse anything he or she doesn't want. What if someone doesn't need a big hard drive or wifi or memory stick ports or hdmi. Why should I be forced to spend an average of 200 dollars more just to get "more [unnecessary] bang". PS3 does not come with better games - period. This is a matter of taste, obviosuly, however only an extremely biased person could actually stick up for the PS3 game selection right now especially when most also appear on other consoles. There is also the fact that Microsoft will most likely be buying capcom, and the ps3 does have very few good exclusives left - mgs4 port for 360 rumor anyone? Add the extremely high costs for developement (21 million reportedly for killzone PS3), and developers who concentrate on Sony's platform might be forced to expand their horizons by porting the games. Square Enix has already done so by saying they do not wish to be solely exclusive to one system anymore. I believe the quote from Gears of War developer is "we have not scratched the surface of the xbox 360 yet", and that game happens to be the best looking game on the market, even better than screens of halo 3. Saying the Playstation 3 has better graphics is also wrong on a techincal basis. All you have to do is research the specs and performance based on those and you can see that the 360's gpu is actually more powerful for video games. What games have you seen on the PS3 yet that can't be done on the ps3? Metal Gear Solid 4's director Hideo Kojima specifically stated that it could be done on the xbox 360 and that is by far the most advanced game I have seen on the Playstation 3 (and it also happens that it has been in development longer than any title on the xbox360 out now). All I am doing is just refuting your statements, I will leave it to others to bring up some xbox 360 arguments. Posted by: hillbillybob [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid { 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics [/B][/QUOTE] Less stupid - did you go to school, cause wow. ROM capacity - does NOT affect if a game is better. Its a feature, one that I am sure developers will use, but it does not mean the ps3 is better Graphics - what does it matter if its still fun. HEY, I enjoy reading books - they have crappy graphics. Other features - the 360 and the Wii all come with that capability. You just dont have to pay as much out of the gate. Wii games have been hacked to play on the PS3??? wrong, because of the difference in processor structure, and of course programming paradigms the entirety of the game would have to be rewritten, and I can assure you no development studio is going to let the source code go. If the "hacking" was legal, than it would be called a port, and essentially the game will be the same. If it was illegal, well... Blu-ray - last time I checked, sony was the only major corporate sponser backing the Blu-ray format. hmmm.... The PS3 having better games - your opinion, not fact. I like Halo and Doom 3. I guess under your qualifications for a good system that makes the XBOX (not the 360) the best system, better than the PS3, 360 AND the Wii Now, lets take a look at past performance, just the last 12 months or so Sony - battaries that blow up in your lap, Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD battle, the PS3 being so much more than the other systems, PS3 shortage, etc Microsoft - 360 shortage at the start, a full year before Sony and Nintendo and they really arent that far along. Nintendo - except for the shortage of Wii consoles, Nintendo has done wonders, a lot better than MS or Sony has. Nintendo does have some revolutionary game play (Wiimote and nunchuck) Your little tirade has just proven to me that california really needs to be bombed in to the Pacific and forgotton. I am really ashamed to know that you are dragging this great nation down. That said, your opinions are your opinions. Please, voice them, but lets follow these rules 1.) As Samuel L Jackson has said - "English Motherf***er, do you speak it?" 2.)Please provide proof when making factual statements. You will persuade more people with the truth than you will with "PS3 pwnd the 360 and the wii" 3.)If you are voicing your opinion, please say so or otherwise let us know. That does go a long ways towards holding an intelligent debate. and debate helps us all further ourselves. Observe the following. I love my XBOX. Loved the games that have come out for it, and that I could use it as a DVD player. It has served me well. Ive played some of my friends 360, and its fun. I dont really care for the marketing plan that Microsoft has set forth with the 360, but I digress. IMO the PS3 is way to expensive for what you get, and frankly I dont have that kind of money. For me, its a toss up between the 360 and the Wii. Im leaning more towards the wii because I want my gaming to be fun again. I like the idea of motion sensing...thats just cool to me. Posted by: Beefcake [url]http://theend187.justgotowned.com/[/url] Seriously, I hate all this more bang for you buck crap. Especially when Sony was trying to make the 360 look more expensive they made a comparison with the 360 core version and the "necessary things", like the core ($300), HDD ($100) (<--- Right there alone is what made this so stupid since the premium costs the same but with more stuff), a wireless controller (again wtf Sony? Premium takes care of this; $50), HD-DVD (once again, you don't need this; $200) wifi connector ($100? What does it cost?), headset ($15 or something like that), and Xbox live ($50, okay this does make [I]some[/I] sense, but once again not required). So now they are trying to justify the price of the PS3, $815+ for core, vs $599 for the PS3??? Sony is pathetic, what is more realistic? Oh yea, $400/$450 (premium + 1 year subscription to Xbox Live gold). You can also get Call of Duty 2 for $19.95 I have seen around often (and not just from the holiday sales). There is only 1 good game for the PS3, and that is Resistance: Fall of Man. I watched an episode of X-Play (a review show) and reviewed 5 launch titles, 2 of them got 2 out 5, one got a 1 out of 5 (that horrible gundam game), a 3 out of 5 (which was Madden 07, which they said was almost identical to the 360 version), and a 5 out 5 to Resistance. I'm not expecting their launch line up to be filled with hits, but two 2 out of 5 games and a 1 out of 5? That is pretty sad. Do you know what really is funny? Well I'm looking at the back of my 360 box at the 6 launch titles, and X-Play gave them: Call of Duty 2 - 5 out of 5 Dead or Alive 4 - 4 out of 5 Kameo: Elements of Power - 4 out of 5 Madden 06 - 3 out of 5 Perfect Dark Zero - 3 out of 5 Project Gotham Racing 3 - 4 out of 5 Those are great scores and that was back in 2005, and those games didn't even get nearly the amount of developing time Resistance did (and COD2 was a cross platform game). They have a pretty bad launch line up, but of course the fanboys don't care at all. EDIT: About that owned pic sequence thing, that baby in the microwave pic isn't nearly as funny anymore since a woman in Dayton (which is not to far north of Cincinnati) killed her baby what forensics believe to be a microwave due to the strange internal burns. [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/29/baby.microwave.ap/index.html[/url] Posted by: NvidiaDude [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics [/B][/QUOTE] Wii mini dvd is like a normal PS2 kind of disc how is it smaller ? its capacity is still 4.6GB u nuuuub.. plus i dont go for Excellent top notch graphics i prefer design and technology :) Posted by: n30phYte Quote of the thread goes to... Drumroll please... [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hillbillybob [/i] [B]HEY, I enjoy reading books - they have crappy graphics. [/B][/QUOTE] :o Posted by: hillbillybob :o :p :o It's the truth Posted by: trisket99 Id go with the Wii.....Zelda is amazing Posted by: killians45 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics [/B][/QUOTE] K, time to dissect this garbage of a post. Lets start at the beginning of this misinformed crap, shall we?` 1.It has already been proven that the PS3 does not utilize all directions of space, is cumbersome to use (not my words, but those of other people and reviewers) and is NOT nearly as good as the Nintendo. This may change as the console ages, though. 2.Wrong, the 360 is about twice what you posted. Also, I'm guessing you have the idea that the 25 and upto 54GB for the PS3 bluray will make gaming amazing. Guess again, as I've posted before. It's not economically sound. I will go into this again. Game creation is already expensive. It takes time to create the physics engines, game engine, models, textures, etc. Now, imagine tripling to quadrupling this in size. Well, that will take alot more time and resources to do. Now you have to hire MANY more programmers. Well, the money doesn't appear out of nowhere so now what? Games HAVE to go up in price, face it... game companies are out there to make money. Period. I guess you could make game releases longer and hire less people, problem with that is there is a time frame when a game MUST be released or risk being obsolete. You wait long enough, well this game engine is last generation now and that wont do. Only option is either more developers/programmers OR better development tools, which don't exist yet and wont for a long time. Trust me, it takes a long time to create a new set of developing tools, and usually with that a new compiler. So, the only thing bluray would be good for is bonus material, making off or for movies. Period. So, lets get onto the next fictatious fan boy idea... 3.Wrong again. XBox360 runs in 1080p with the latest update. More than likely alot of this stuff being available is there to put a thorn in PS3's side. A quick unlock and bam! There it is, INCLUDING future HDMI support. ALSO, all testing shows so far that the 360 actually performs BETTER than the PS3 in 1080p AND 4xAA. Unlike some, I will back this up with reasons. The 360, in addition to the 256 of dedicated memory for GPU, has another 10MB of on die memory for extra instruction sets that handle things like AA and upscaling to native. So, the 360 is able to do this and not even TOUCH the GPU, thus it will run 1080p just as smooth as if was at lower res. The PS3 has already shown to be a bit unstable. Now, add to this that it does NOT support 720p, and you have some with older high def tv's that are now forced to play games at 480p. The reason? The PS3 will display at 1080i but will not recognize 720p, so what happens is it downs it to 480p. At first, sony said they would release a firmware update for this, but now they are stating that they are not sure if this is possible, and later commented that it is no longer being persued. Good job, sony. 3.This was pulled out of thin air for you, and all has already been debunked with my above comments. I don't know which high school friend gave you this info, but they are very mis informed. Try researching before posting this pathetic diatribe of inaccuracies. Posted by: PZEROFGH I thought the question was Wii vs 360 not 360 vs PS3... :confused: I was wondering th same thing, but I'm leaning towards the Wii :) Posted by: killians45 as far as comparisons between the 360 and wii, I'm kind of torn myself. The wii, all though not as advanced graphic wise as the 360, looks to be VERY FUN!!!! Im gonna get both eventually. Posted by: jjrodezno wii FTW! because it has zelda + smash bros. Posted by: hillbillybob now see, I was looking at the wii for Redsteel and FarCry. But the 360 has gears of war and Halo 3 Posted by: TheOtis Yea, honestly, it seems like if you're into it for just pure fun and don't care too much about next gen graphics, get a wii, i mean it's only $250. And it comes with wii sports. But if you're into FPS and whatnot, get the 360. Posted by: TheEnd187 id get a ps3 better games like heavenly sword,devil may cry 4,GT5,Armored core 4, PS3 FTW ps3 rulz Posted by: fade2black2004 ^thats an opinion plus, Microsoft is going to buy out capcom so Devil may cry4 will be out for the 360 Posted by: TheEnd187 **** bill gates im gonna kill that guy that just gave him 31 bilklion dollars now he's buying out everything argggggggg Posted by: killians45 Actually, Bill Gates is quite the philanthropist. Sony is very crooked in it's business dealings as well as how they deal with their customers. I think them trying to push the burden to customers for some DOA PS3's until the European consumer agency stepped in threatening law suits. They are a very crooked company. Plus, your posts have pretty much proven themselves to be fan boyish and without substance. Posted by: twopointshotdr wow...very heated disscussions i see! what i must say, and get off my chest though.... I stood in line at the local Wal-Mart (BAD DECISION) on Black Friday....and the people that were there....and not just walmart mind you...but im sure in lots and lots of other places and stores...THESE PEOPLE DONT KNOW THE F-ING difference b/w 800x600 and HD capable resolutions! haha. These people are freaking spending their RENT money on PS3, their kids money even! all for a gaming console that advertises this this that and the other thing. Talk about more bang for your buck, how about you invest your buck in something a little more worth while, and something that EVEN the whole family can enjoy, which is what NINTENDO strives to promote and market! FUN GAMES, ENJOYABLE GAMEPLAY, ACTUALLY HAVING TO MOVE!!!! This for NINTENDO and the gaming industry is absolutely revolutional, their marketing on something NEW, not just the same old graphics and other "cosmetic" things. I would say my opinion is pretty unbiased...my personal loyalty will ALWAYS ALWAYS lie with PC GAMING! You just have to think? Do i really need all these other features? Do i really need to spend 600 dollars on a system...then oh yea....LETS BUY all the "cool" accessories!? then wait! wait!....we have to upgrade out TV to HD if we havent done that already...cuz come on! who wants to play a game in regular SD..? Thats just crazy! I hope your picking up on some of my sarcasm! : ) Im sure ill get slammed for this post...but w/e. this is my opinion, and much shared with many others im sure! Posted by: maroon1 PC > PS3 > xbox360 > Wii Thats ^^ my opinion Any way I'm very sure that most gamers in the world prefer PS3 over Wii or Xbox360 PS2 was not as powerful as xbox or gamecube but it had better games and it was much more popular Until now 111.25 million units of PS2 was sold, compared to 24 million for Xbox and 21.20 million for gamecube PS3 is more powerful than Xbox360 and Wii, and it is going to have better games. And I said most gamers prefer PS3. So, the PS3 will be the easy winner between the new consoles Posted by: TheOtis It's all about console exlusives. I don't think their any "better" console. It's all about your opinion on what makes a console "better. If you're talking about hardware, the PS3 is "better" then the 360 and the wii. But their is no "better" console in general, it's all about what makes a console good for you. If you're into gran turismo and the MGS series, get the PS3. If you're into halo and other games alike that are exclusives for the 360, get the 360. If you're into fun and interactive gameing and don't care too much about graphics, get a wii and save alot of money. Posted by: Danks Xbox Live! Nuff said. Posted by: killians45 Actually, PS3 is NOT exactly more powerful than the 360 depending on what you are looking at. The 360 has a more powerful GPU, however the PS3 has a more powerful CPU. Thats why the 360 looks more detailed and the PS3 looks smoother. Posted by: LU4sTrooper 1st things first, as far as Xbox 360 vS. PS3 goes, Gamespot have conducted a fair comparison - i'll let you read it for yourselves: [URL=http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6162742/p-2.html]http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6162742/p-2.html[/URL] 2. Why did the Original poster even start this topic? You have to be complete idiot to start a 'Which console is better?' topic because it's obvious that fanboys from all sides are going to come out and start arguing pointlessly. 3. Make the decision for yourself: here are a few pointers to consider.... [b][u]Wii:[/b][/u] *The good points - The cheaper console. - The smaller console. - Motion sensitive gaming. Or normal gaming. - Cutesy quality Nintendo games. *The bad points - Poor graphics in comparison to the 360 - No HD support. - No DVD support - May miss out on games that may appear on the other consoles. - Novelty of motion sensitivity may wear off (Sony Eyetoy anyone?) [b][u]360:[/b][/u] *The good points - Impressive graphics - HD support upto 1080p - A fully integrated media player - An already established online system that is tryed and tested - Will more than likely recieve the big title games in the future. - Backwards compatiblity with xbox (albeit not all the games yet). *The bad points - Obviously lacking the innovative motion sensitivity of the Wii - The more expensive console - The larger console. - Games are more expensive. - Miss out on those Nintendo exclusive games :) Posted by: Danks You can get both systems of the price of 1 PS3.. So the real question everyone should be asking is: 360 + Wii or PS3 ..? Posted by: Amd gt player [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics [/B][/QUOTE] ur an idiot xbox is 1080i x 720p so is teh wii and so is the ps3 for hd they do not have 1080p yet and u should check out my thread i love play station but i really think they chocked on the ps3 id wrather buy a ps2 and a couple games then a ps3 and im shure that all u die hard ps3 fanboys are just mad about the fact that such a CHILDISH console like wii is no longer so childish and is doing so much beter then the ps3 right now. nintendo took a risk with the wii remote and did well sony tried to play it safe and lost the race Posted by: hillbillybob [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LU4sTrooper [/i] [B] - Novelty of motion sensitivity may wear off (Sony Eyetoy anyone?) [/B][/QUOTE] Ya, but did just about every game utilize it? I get what your saying, the eyetoy was not a huge hit. but 1.) it wasn't included with PS2 by default 2.) How many games actually utilized it? 3.) I always thought it was more a camera than motion sensing device. Posted by: cvb724 I have a Wii and it is the most fun console I have ever played. And TheEnd, just stop posting. You have been owned on here for 368 of your 369 posts. The post you didn't was your member intro... Anyways, if I wasn't buying a computer now I would get the 360 too. Never again will I buy a Sony product. I have a PS2 but it has broken on me over and over. PS3 will die in a while. Not everyone has that much money just to play mediocre games. [url]http://nexgenwars.com[/url] Vote for the system you think will win! Wii is completely owning right now. Posted by: TheEnd187 cvb you have obviously owned yourselve because i never posted a member intro(pwoned) and even my gf's comp would own yours lol and its a sckt 478 bwahahaha lol pwnd yourself Posted by: cvb724 Sad, sad guy... I'm not even going to argue with that... You can go ahead think you (pwoned) me all you want. Posted by: LU4sTrooper [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cvb724 [/i] [B]Sad, sad guy... I'm not even going to argue with that... You can go ahead think you (pwoned) me all you want. [/B][/QUOTE] You win, at least you can spell :) Posted by: killians45 <sarcasm> Oh... man... cvb got SO "pwoned" up there. I can feel the shame you must feel with such a well thought out and written rebuttal from theend. He doesn't just rock.... he rawocks. I feel for you, and I hope you can live with the burden of this great shame he has bestowed upon you, and if you can't... God speed, my friend. </sarcasm> Posted by: bwkrazyness 1st Wii 2nd PS3 last X box 360 Posted by: TheEnd187 everyone will clearly see in a year that the xbox360 sucks anyways, and if you can't see it now then you must be blind. as for the wii good concept but the graphics are getting left in the dust pretty quick. as for the PS3 the ps3 pwonz, xobox 360 is just an xbox with better graphics and a dualshock 2 rip off. Posted by: killians45 OK, YOU tell me why it "pwonz"... I just don't see it. The graphics are not up to standard, it has physical HD faults where it doesn't support older HDTV and forces them to low 480i resolutions, they have used false/misleading business practices and even game developers say they would rather code for 360/wii/PC's because the RSC/SPE are far to hard to code for due to asymetric design. This is only a few of the reasons, but as you tend to ignore most posts and rant the same thing over and over, I will not repeat much of what has already been said. Just so you know, look at my sig.... Posted by: Beefcake [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]everyone will clearly see in a year that the xbox360 sucks anyways, and if you can't see it now then you must be blind. as for the wii good concept but the graphics are getting left in the dust pretty quick. as for the PS3 the ps3 pwonz, xobox 360 is just an xbox with better graphics and a dualshock 2 rip off. [/B][/QUOTE] O yea, they ripped the dualshock 2 controller off, :rolleyes: and Sony didn't steal Wii's idea for motion controls. The PS3 is not a PS2 with better specs? I mean they only use the same old ****ty controller design (while implementing the stolen motion controls), a new (stolen) online system, an overpriced and overrated CPU and media format, and only costs twice of which the PS2's launch price was! *sarcasm* Posted by: cvb724 PS3 is by far the worst of the 3 systems. It is relying way too much on the hardest of hardcore sony fanboys and people with more money than brains. A PC for the same price would be a much better option even. Posted by: TheEnd187 lets not start makin' a war here i'm jut saying when 360 came out it was full of bugs(don't get me wrong here) and some people I know don't even have internet access to update their 360's let alone know they have to pay for it. for the ps3 and wii it is the same situation, both have bugs but they can be resolved(although i don't know about the wii), remember 360 couldn't multitask out the box you needed a patch. just like sony and microsoft will continue to release patches for everything and those HD problems have been resovled by a patch anyways, also if you can afford an xbox360 or a ps3 you obviously must be able to or already own a 1080p plasma or lcd running at 60hz anyways. same thing for xbox you cant run games in 1080p on a standard crt. needles to say PS3 FTW Posted by: Beefcake [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]lets not start makin' a war here i'm jut saying when 360 came out it was full of bugs(don't get me wrong here) and some people I know don't even have internet access to update their 360's let alone know they have to pay for it.[/B][/QUOTE] Actually, it's free to be able to get updates, marketplace access, friends, etc. The only thing that costs the money is actual gameplay. Posted by: TheEnd187 theyre ghetto @$$ dad still won't even get internet anyway so they are scwred lol Posted by: twopointshotdr I am by far the craziest person I know....(hmmm) when it comes to graphics! I can tell the most microscopic difference in quality and freak out over frame rates and jagged edges. (thank god for anti-aliasing!) anyways......I saw the ps3 finally!! at eb games, and i have to tell you. ITS GOOD, pretty good! im sure its different by game...but.....just like anyother system....its the cinematics that look great! i saw a dramatic decrease in quality in actual gameplay. thats expected i know. But i can see spending 600 dollars if i was guarenteed to get that awesome cinematic quality, but you dont. simple as that you dont. i just think i was expecting something so much better....hmm...im paying 600 dollars+, as well as all this other accessory crap...and idk...call my crazy....(I KNOW I'LL GET THAT) but...it wasn't all that i thought it was to be...first 20 seconds i said wow thats great...then i realized the game was in a brief cinematic. then it went to gamepley and i said o wow....ok! I wont be surprised if sony goes out of buisness....there basically putting everything they have on ps3, and spiderman 3....(that last statement was a shot in the dark) but anywho...back to work....:p HOW ABOUT THIS....PLAY GRAPHIC DEMANDING GAMES ON A PC....ps3 will never be betteer....or any console for that matter. as long as consoles are made on pcs....well what does that tell you? basically i walked away dissapointed...looking at a 600 dollar machine and saying...THATS IT? Posted by: cvb724 That was a pretty good review aside from the million periods :). I'm not that graphics crazy when it comes to consoles because I know they will never be able to do what the best PCs do. That's why I go for gameplay only, and when it comes to great games, Nintendo is the absolute king. None of us would be playing games right now if it wasn't for them. The game industry was pretty much dead until Super Mario Bros. came along. Posted by: Danks Nintendo or not we will still be playing games. Give it another year for PS3 to mature. Both system will be neck to neck in quality of games. But you have to admit, both system are setting a really good standard for the next generation console games. PC no longer, if you really want the best gaming experience, the console is now your best bet. There is not realy winner, but Microsoft has taken a major leap from Xbox to 360, but how knows Halo 3 might just be the tie breaker. Posted by: baronvongogo consoles for third person action games, sports, racing, RPGs to some extent. PC's for RTS, FPS, RPGS and top of the range hardware. the one thing consoles always struggle with is RTS and FPS no matter what people say they cant compete with a mouse and keyboard. Hopefully the Wii is a move in the right direction. Posted by: twopointshotdr [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Danks [/i] [B] PC no longer, if you really want the best gaming experience, the console is now your best bet. [/B][/QUOTE] WHAT? lol... no way! and i do agree with most of what barron said as well... console is better when it comes to certain games....sometimes. mainly what console gave us was the joystick...and gamepad...which either way, in an extent stemmed out of EARLLYY PC interface devices. But either way other than that the best way for a pc gamer to truly enjoy sport games, fighting games, racing games, is with a gamepad of some sort. TOO MANY DAM buttons on a keyboard if you didnt have one. Although i know some people who play any kind of game with a keyboard. (yikes). back to what danks said.... its so hard not to think of pc's as only gaming systems. the endless amount of things you can do with your pc is well....(endless :p) also think about what your buying. a console is just that. it has todays technology and for how long? Granted you could argue twice as hard against pcs with that. BUT...then you must remind yourself, that a PC is fully upgradeable, to an extent! if i buy a ps3 for 600 dollars...well how much is this going to be worth to me or anyone in say 3 years? you will still have the same "ok" graphics...same old "HD" and "blu-ray" support. and thats it. THERES NO EXPANSION CAPABILITIES! its just a box. a gaming box. if i spend 600$ on a 8800 GTX for my PC i can be **** sure that right now..its going to blow anything out of the water. and for even a long time to come, surprisingly enough. but hey...if something better comes out i can buy a "card" that slides right into my PC that will give me the best graphics card out there once again. So its a matter of hey...i got this cool ps3. and? whats it going to mean to you in 3 three years? the pop and fizzle will die out soon enough...O BUT WAIT...i guarentee anyone here will say...well what about the PS4....all i have to say to that is nothing, but gut busting laughter! : ) Posted by: Danks I never compared hardware. Sure the PC will always win, but not by very much. As for mouse and keyboard, you can easily connect them to a console through USP. Quality of games is what I was targeting. There’s a lot more anticipated games coming out for the console then that on the PC. I don’t have access to the popular games sites like gamespot ign ect.., so I can't give you an accurate list of the top 20 most anticipated games for 2006-2007. But I'm guessing consoles take up 18 slots out of them 20. Posted by: LU4sTrooper [QUOTE]Quality of games is what I was targeting. There’s a lot more anticipated games coming out for the console then that on the PC. I don’t have access to the popular games sites like gamespot ign ect.., so I can't give you an accurate list of the top 20 most anticipated games for 2006-2007. But I'm guessing consoles take up 18 slots out of them 20.[/QUOTE] 2 words, Directx10 and Crysis. Enough said. Posted by: Danks Ok thats one. Think Id rather fork out $1500 on a Xbox 360 + 50 inch Sony Wega, instead of a new computer just to play Crysis. This is the HD era of console gaming, players are getting alot more bang for their bucks. Posted by: ATIRAGEPRO [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]wtd are you talking about dude!!!!!! ps3 rulz xbox and wii 1st of all sixaxis is the same as wii remote and looks less stupid 2nd ps3 uses blu-ray(25gb)vs xbox360 dvd(4.5gb) and wii mini dvd(2gb) 3rd wii is 480p xbox is 720p but ps3 runs in full 1080p 4th, ps3 is mor bang for your buck 1. ps3 comes with wi-fi,blu ray, 60gb swappable hd,sixaxis, way better graphics, better games, wirless out of the box 2. wii will let you pay $5 per rom, whereas we have been getting them free for years, and which has been done on ps3 already, mame also runs on ps3 3. xbox is $200 cheaper than 60gb ps3 but.... you pay 100 bucks for wi-fi, and 200 dollars more for the hd dvd player which doesn't even run in true hd(1080p) so you pay 100 dollars extra for a crappy system wii games have been hacked to play on ps3 already, ps3 has better graphics and xbox 360 owner know it, halo 3 will be the best graphically advanced game for xbox 360 but it cn only be 9.5gb lol because xbox360 games still use dvd's double sided whereas the ps3 uses dl-bd 50gb and prototype 8 layer blu-rays are being tested so xbox 360 has almost hit its max graphics and devil may cry 4 will kill any hope for xbox's graphics [/B][/QUOTE]................ [COLOR=darkblue]People like you make Ps3 look bad.[/COLOR] :rolleyes: :p I mean, For goodness sake, Most people didn't even HAVE any of these consoles yet, and there were already FANBOY LOBBYS everywhere on the internet from saying stupid misinformed crap they don't even know. (it was bad enough when fanboys lobbied the consoles they actualy OWNED! :rolleyes: ) [COLOR=indigo]As much as I like Sony, and the PS3, Fancy hardware doesn't mean anything if the people who write the games for the hardware can't take advantage of it. (Exhibit A: The PlayStation 2 is technically inferior to the original Xbox, but it's still the world's most popular gaming platform based on the selection of compelling game titles.) Honestly, don't expect a geme to be anywear near [b]25gb[/b] anytime soon. lol!![/COLOR] [b]NEW YORK (FORTUNE) [/b]- More than 96 million PlayStation 2 consoles have been sold worldwide since the PS2's debut in 2000, compared with some 25 million Microsoft Xboxes sold since 2001. Honestly, (as much as I'd hate to admit it,) I see Sony going the same route as the [b]NEOGEO AES[/b] did in 1989. :( Of course it had great graphics, (NEOGEO arcade games TO THIS DAY are still being ported to playstation 2 and XBOX) but the console and the game carts were soo darn expensive, they eventualy had to make their games based on CDs (i.e. NeoGeo CD) and eventually went bankrupt. :mad: :cool: Posted by: TheEnd187 actually some launch titles almost filled up the bluray already and most games coming out in 97 are going to be dl50gb, and no way sony is going to go bankrupt why? because sony makes other than ps3's beleive it or not. PS3 FTW Posted by: killians45 K, sony has had to take/borrow money from other parts of it's divisions to help finance and balance for this PS3 venture. As far as filling up the bluray, it is NOT what people think. It is fluffed up. When I say fluffed I don't mean as in meaningless crap, I mean as in injecting and expanding data on a bluray, thus not needing to use in decompression and running straight from. This sucks. It is a ploy to hype the bluray, as I have said... 54GB of ACTUAL GAME DATA NOT FLUFFED is not economically nor feasibly plausible. The only thing it may help is speed up disk access because the data is not compressed but big deal. 360 has built in alg's to handle that on the fly with no problems at all. This is better because these algs can be changed/altered in future update/revisions for even faster streaming of vid and data. As far as MS and their updates, I hope you do realize that the 720p problem on the older HDTV's may not be able to be fixed via software, cause often that is a hardware issue. Way to drop the ball sony. PS3, FTW! Right... Posted by: TheEnd187 well i'm not having any probs on my hdtv neither are my friends just like in russia "either live, or die" get the PS3 or not Xbox360 not next gen at all only things that changed vid card, processor,dualshck2 rip off remote,thats it it even still uses regular dvd's that is so last millenium, as for space don't worry those dvd's for xbox360 are filling up really quick only a matter of months now, 10gb max hahaha. There are already 8layer BD prototypes being tested, next year 200GB games yay!! PS3 and Blu-Ray FTW!!! Posted by: killians45 not next gen only thing that changed is "vid card, processor, remote, etc" you've got to be kidding me? That IS what is considered next gen. You obviously must not be reading what developers and hardware reviewers are saying. The majority say the 360 is more powerful in terms of graphics. The PS3 more in terms of CPU power, but to **** hard to program for. As for 200GB games? Get real, wont happen for a long time. It would take far to many man hours to do, way to cost prohibitive. You are not taking into consideration the cost of developing games and are just being a fan boy. Ill go with pro reviews that says the 360 is a blessing in terms of power. Better graphics and easier to program Posted by: TheEnd187 YEAH BUT YOU AREN'T THE ONE PROGRAMMING FOR THE 360 SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, PS3 ACTUALLY HAS NEW INNOVATIONS DUALSHOCK3,BIGGER UPGRDABLE HD, RSX,CELL, BLU-RAY, I have been paying atention to whats going on but remember 360 has been out for a year already, now you want to make a fair comparison? how about comparing one of the 360's early games t ps3's? yeah i played king kong on 360 when it launched it was crap Posted by: Danks Heres Gamespots 360 vs PS3 review [url]http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162742/index.html?tag=features;img;0[/url] From a programer [url]http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm[/url] Posted by: killians45 sure, they had an almost launch game 360 with a launch PS3 game and guess what? The 360 looked better. I also do programming, not for consoles, but I have direct knowledge and have a better understanding of what these programmers are talking about in terms of programing problems. Listen, you are going to let this go in one ear and out the other and spew the same thing that has been debunked over and over and over. Unless you can come up with some concrete facts that can be BACKED UP with indepth technical explanations I will now consider most of what you say in the comparison to be fan boy drivel. Posted by: TheEnd187 those are just ports!! how can you compare them and as i have said before these are just launch titles not the very best, and killians i think you had a 360 at launch right??? if so then you will remember them and how crappy they were right? well compare those to the ones out now, you see the difference. In a year we can equally compare PS3 and 360 graphics if you want a fair comparison, if not then we can compare resistance fall of man to king kong, i think we know who would win. and don't give me that dev kit crap, it doesn't matter if the had it 10 years ago, they couldn't do anything with it, so once again wait a year or compare those two titles, PS3 FTW!! Posted by: killians45 You are still comparing launch titles. If they ARE ports, then the quality should of been at least equal, if not shined up a bit. instead, they looked sub par. As far as 360, nope. Don't have one. My brother has one and I wouldn't mind getting one along with a Wii, but considering I just move and have a 6 month old new baby, doesn't look like it. I tried to convince her that he was old enough for at least a wii (figured maybe I dould get lucky with the cheaper of the three) but nope! Ah well, till have my old xbox and computer. Now as far as comparing graphic capabilities the360 is just capable of higher detail then the PS3. Its a plain simple fact, because the GPU is infact superior. That is NOT opinion, it is fact. The hardware and architecture for the GPU is more powerful and robust, add to that more tools and a stronger development system and friendly chip instruction set the moves alot from programmers hands to hardware rendering to allow the programmers more time to do improtant things and you get a good setup. Now, the PS3 may not be able to handle these details, HOWEVER the cell processor is a beast of it's own. The problem with it is they made it, and I assume by design to cut back manufacture prices, very specialized. Specialized can be good, until you have to much of it with little multi processing to control data through put. This is the PS3's case. Alot of specialty chips, but problems with execution because of inorder data execution and a memory bottleneck, really this system would of greatly improved if they had 2 or 3 mutli purpose cores to sort out data strings. Posted by: Harper XB360, PS3, Wii, PSP, DS, PS2, XB, GB, what ever...... Just look at the games that are exclusively avalable on each console, and then make your choice based on that. Nuff Sed. Posted by: Danks [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheEnd187 [/i] [B]those are just ports!! how can you compare them and as i have said before these are just launch titles not the very best, and killians i think you had a 360 at launch right??? if so then you will remember them and how crappy they were right? well compare those to the ones out now, you see the difference. In a year we can equally compare PS3 and 360 graphics if you want a fair comparison, if not then we can compare resistance fall of man to king kong, i think we know who would win. and don't give me that dev kit crap, it doesn't matter if the had it 10 years ago, they couldn't do anything with it, so once again wait a year or compare those two titles, PS3 FTW!! [/B][/QUOTE] Yes that’s what I’m trying to say. You took the words right out of my mouth. Why don’t you wait a year until you start yapping? PS3 really have nothing to say atm, but "just wait a year then we'll see." Right now 360 just owns and we all know that, you just admitted it. In a year PS3 will be better, and so will the 360. PS3 will now always be a year behind no matter. Posted by: TheEnd187 no im saying compare ps3 launch titles to 360lauch title Posted by: killians45 If you do that, then the 360 still comes out ahead. They have already done that, with a game that was a launch title on both consoles. I believe it was ridge racer and the 360 had more detail but the PS3 had smoother edges but all in all the 360 looked better. I have yet to play this game, so this is what the general consensus is. Posted by: TheEnd187 no i mean compare king kong on 360 to ridge racer on ps3 Posted by: killians45 How about like to like. Same company and same game. You now want to compare two seperate software developers. Ridge racer comparisons are better. You have the same game and same developer. They are both launch, or close enough to launch, titles. Why would I want to compare apples to oranges when I can compare apples to apples? Compare other games, as well. Like to like, 360 is more detailed. We have newer games, wouldn't be fair because more time for development and we have games that were launched when each console was new. Fairest way to do that is the same game on each system. The 360 wins there, not just according to me, either but according to reviewers. Graphic capabilities are also top notch. Don't take my word for it, read what developers have to say about it. Either way, I am able to point out sources and not just flippant fan boy "such and such rulz." Oh, and I do like the 360 but would not consider myself a fan boy. I wouldn't mind getting a PS3, either, but no way in **** at it's current price. Also want a Wii. I'm an equal opportunity gamer, and take things via my own research. Posted by: Joabedten67 [i][color=red]who shall mourn the death of a spammer?[/i][/color] Posted by: Silentcry imo i dont think the ps3 is worth money... now Wii is actually a really good system but im gonna have to go with the 360 because of all the features and the graphics... But thats my Opinion. Posted by: Raze664 360 without a doubt, about 4 times the power of a Wii Posted by: baronvongogo [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Raze664 [/i] [B]360 without a doubt, about 4 times the power of a Wii [/B][/QUOTE] and? ..since when have Nintendo ever said "we are going up against microsoft and sony on their terms!" they have always claimed they could not afford or willing to match them for power, so they come up with a different approach. It works they make lots of money I doubt they care if its not as powerful. Posted by: Posterabtenbas [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Elbatrop1/bannedv2copy.jpg[/img] Posted by: NvidiaDude [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by baronvongogo [/i] [B]and? ..since when have Nintendo ever said "we are going up against microsoft and sony on their terms!" they have always claimed they could not afford or willing to match them for power, so they come up with a different approach. It works they make lots of money I doubt they care if its not as powerful. [/B][/QUOTE] Agreed, im not really to bothered about How fast this is and How slow this is The Wii does really well i wouldnt care if it had in the middle ps1 and ps2 graphics.. the Gameplay on games on the Wii are tremendous fun especially Red steel it really shows what the Wii can do, Sword fights are ok the Gunfighting is awesome so much easier to aim on a Wii mote than any other controller.. especially when using a sniper rifle it dont even take me 2 seconds to get an headshot... i really enjoy my wii. keep it up nintendo Posted by: Mantis-X I really could careless about console power.... That's what I have a PC for... For me consoles are all about providing something the PC does not and so far... The Wii is doing a good job of that ;) Posted by: Prophaniti If ur sure you only want to choose between a Wii and a 360, Id say take the Wii, Innovation goes a long way and as far as im concerned, the 360 is still "The Halo/Gears Machine" If ur willing to consider all 3, then it all depends on game choice FPS - 360 is still king among consoles, although it has gotten I get tired holding that remote up all the time Action/Adventure - 360 or PS3 is probably best here. Once again its tiring to use the Wii-Mote .. or maybe im just really out of shape XD Fighters (2D or 3D) - In my opinion, PS3 or Wii (using the GC controller). There are no fighters out for Wii yet as far as i know, but i found the GC controller was actually better for fighting games when i played SC2. Racing - Anything works, Wii has race-wheel, so thats cool these are just my opinions on it, it really all comes down to personal preference and graphics, but since u dont care for graphics, its all u vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2003, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. PPC Management vB Easy Archive Final - Created by Xenon |