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Search Tech-Forums - link takes you to our Forum's search page. Note: The following is only a text archive! To view the actual forum discussion, please visit our website at http://www.tech-forums.net Pages:1 Math???(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: Sniping_g Wwll im 16 yers old and going to gr 11, but i read on most job sites u need to know a lot of math to go in the math fiel but the thing is i suck at math;( but im really good with pc's is there a chance i can make it in the coputer job world?? Posted by: DarkMortar Good at PC's as in programming them? Or you mean repair? Anyway, as far as super math goes, if you are doing Computer Science or Engineering math is a big deal, I wouldn't say you nessarilly use all of it to extremes while programming, but ya. Posted by: SizzlinSean What if you were to major in MIS, how extensive of a math knowledge base would you generally need? Posted by: Quantum Bit [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SizzlinSean [/i] [B]What if you were to major in MIS, how extensive of a math knowledge base would you generally need? [/B][/QUOTE] For an MIS all you would need is basic calculus most likely up to calc2-3 depending upon which school. Math is not hard, anyone can do it. The more you expose yourself to it, the better you become. For programming it is very important at the practical level, which is what you should learn in 4 year school. Posted by: Syrillian Computer Science majors have more requirements for math than Math majors.... I guess it's the logic required. At lease that is true at the JC's that I have attended. Posted by: Quantum Bit [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Syrillian [/i] [B]Computer Science majors have more requirements for math than Math majors.... I guess it's the logic required. At lease that is true at the JC's that I have attended. [/B][/QUOTE] uhh? Math majors would be taking math classes after math classes. As a computer science major you would be taking both computer science and math classes. But the math major would be taking much more math classes, then cs. Posted by: aschmidt I'm working towards my Ph.D. in EECS (Electrical Engineering & Computer Science), and it seems as if the math classes needed just for a bachelors are up in the extremely high level calculus stages. Just at the CC (community college) I'm at now, we have to get through Calc 4, and I know there will be higher math classes once I transfer over to a university. Posted by: Quantum Bit [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by aschmidt [/i] [B]I'm working towards my Ph.D. in EECS (Electrical Engineering & Computer Science), and it seems as if the math classes needed just for a bachelors are up in the extremely high level calculus stages. Just at the CC (community college) I'm at now, we have to get through Calc 4, and I know there will be higher math classes once I transfer over to a university. [/B][/QUOTE] ???????? You are working towards a Ph.D. but you're in a cc????? wtf... Most schools do not even accept Major related credits from a community college. So you may have to start your 4 year degree from scratch or atleast major related credits. The correct phrase would be you're working towards a 2 year degree but in the future you hope to get a 4 year degree then go onto grad school???/ Posted by: Chankama For Computer Engineering you need elementary mathematics - compared to what math majors do. The math is obviously a lot harder than in a high school class mind you. But that doesn't say much.. I'd say the math content of Computer engineering is actually a lot easier than high school math contests. Thinking wise. But, obviously harder than "school math". Computer Science student can make it really easy on himself (in math) or can actually get a decent math background if he or so chooses to. At least in my University (Waterloo). THey have more electives than CE students. That's why. CE = Software / Hardware (incl. semi-conductor theory, etc.) / Signal processing / Wireless / ........ CS = Software / (.....) Both have things like Distributed networks, AI, etc. in common.. Posted by: DarkMortar I have a side question about college myself, is the grades in college... ALL tests/quizes, do you ever get credit for homeworks, well i asssume there are a lot of projects though. Posted by: Quantum Bit Depends on the professors and the size of the school. Posted by: The Future Whoever said that most 4-year schools don't accept major-related credits from a community college is wrong. Posted by: kfc469 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sniping_g [/i] [B]u need to know a lot of math to go in the math fiel [/B][/QUOTE] well...yes you need to know how to do math to go into a math field :) Posted by: Quantum Bit The school I work for does not accept major related credits and only some of the ******** classes (eng,hist etc). Which is a shame on the student, because the typical kid who attends community college spends 1-2 years at a community college then realizes that it is useless and transfers to a 4 year school and basically has to start all over. So they end up wasting time and money. Think about it, even if the community college is up to par with the 4 year school (which is assuming way too much, but lets just say) then the school would still decline your credits because the president etc is in the business of making money off your tuition/lab fees. Posted by: jaeusm [QUOTE]Which is a shame on the student, because the typical kid who attends community college spends 1-2 years at a community college then realizes that it is useless and transfers to a 4 year school and basically has to start all over.[/QUOTE] My fiance earned an associate degree in accounting from a community college, then enrolled at a four-year university and earned a BS. Two years in CC, and two years at university. Attending a community college is not useless. Posted by: Quantum Bit [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jaeusm [/i] [B]My fiance earned an associate degree in accounting from a community college, then enrolled at a four-year university and earned a BS. Two years in CC, and two years at university. Attending a community college is not useless. [/B][/QUOTE] It all depends what school you attend and your major. But generally speaking it is useless, many people think they can save a lot of money by attending a community college which is true, but the faculty education level compared to a 4 year school is ridiculous. However we are dealing with a specialized case, with all computer related degrees (which are specialized on their own). Most schools only have 30 liberal arts or bs classes, so at the most you could get 30 credits transfered which of many probably will not transfer just because the majority of people realize the education level at community college is not much more above highschool level teachers. I am not claiming this is true universally considering the schools can come up with their own criteria. But I would say the majority of schools follow this procedure, you will however have your outliers just like anything else. For instance a lot of the online schools you can get credit for basically anything. So ofcourse people who attended these types of schools could claim that they got credit for posting on online forums, but generally speaking this would not be true. Same rules apply here. Posted by: jaeusm [QUOTE]It all depends what school you attend and your major.[/QUOTE] If it's a "main-stream" major, it will transfer more often than not. [QUOTE]but the faculty education level compared to a 4 year school is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] And I would argue that the education level of faculty isn't as important as you may believe. (Actually, I'm far more impressed with actual work experience than the degree, but I digress -- that's a different argument.) Community college education only covers the first two years of BS program. How much education is really required? At traditional 4-year universities, graduate assistants teach many first and second year courses, and sometimes even higher level courses. I know this is true because I was one for three years. Posted by: raross hrm, I somewhat agree Posted by: M3Cosmos You NEED calculus if going in EE, CE, CS, CIS, etc. I went 2 semesters through EE at Clemson and then went to CS. Both have a good bit of programming where calculus, linear algebra, diff equations, etc. are all REQUIRED. If you "suck" at math, don't program - your head will explode. I've had 5 semesters of calculus, 1 of linear algebra, 1 of differential equations, 2 logic classes, and one "discrete" class (proofs and such). All proved very useful. I know some people just have the "programming gift" but I didn't and the math helped quite a bit. For hardware, any classes using hardware are great. I know some are basic and cover core A+ type subjects, but even those are good to have under your belt. I'm starting to get all the certifications I can afford (CompTIA and Cisco). Those look good when getting an IT job if you don't have solid experience. Posted by: Meithan What you really need is the intellectual maturity for advanced math, not really the knowledge. You won't be doing group theory, tensor calculus or fourier transforms when programming, but you still need to be at that level to understand what you're doing. Try picking up a book about automata, machines or information theory. I recommend Marvin L. Minsky's "Computation: Finite and Infinite Machines". There are not a lot of formulas and equations in that book, but the complexity of the concepts and ideas require a rather high level of maturity. Heck, I'm about to graduate from a Physics major and while I can do a lot of advanced math, this book still gave me a hard time at some places. Physics is so much easier ^^. Now, dont get scared. Intellectual maturity (for math) is something you develop over the years. Don't expect to understand group theory before basic calculus. However if you wanna go into computer sciences, being good or at least above average at math is almost necessary. Posted by: kfc469 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Meithan [/i] [B]What you really need is the intellectual maturity for advanced math, not really the knowledge. You won't be doing group theory, tensor calculus or fourier transforms when programming, but you still need to be at that level to understand what you're doing. [/B][/QUOTE] I second that notion. Posted by: thebrantmeister [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jaeusm [/i] [B]My fiance earned an associate degree in accounting from a community college, then enrolled at a four-year university and earned a BS. Two years in CC, and two years at university. Attending a community college is not useless. [/B][/QUOTE] My high school counselor told me that based on my grades, it would be easier for me to go to a community college and get an associates degree, then transfer to a four-year university to get a bachelors degree. I even know someone who has been accepted to UNC Charlotte, and all of her classes are transferrable. This is her second year at Rowan-Cabarrus Community College (I have a class with her.) she is working her way towards an associates degree. After that, she will go to UNCC for two more years to get her bachelors degree. Posted by: Quantum Bit [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thebrantmeister [/i] [B]My high school counselor told me that based on my grades, it would be easier for me to go to a community college and get an associates degree, then transfer to a four-year university to get a bachelors degree. I even know someone who has been accepted to UNC Charlotte, and all of her classes are transferrable. This is her second year at Rowan-Cabarrus Community College (I have a class with her.) she is working her way towards an associates degree. After that, she will go to UNCC for two more years to get her bachelors degree. [/B][/QUOTE] Easier is not always better, specially dealing with education... I for one would not want to be "educated" by a bunch of people who teach at the highschool level.... vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2003, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited. PPC Management vB Easy Archive Final - Created by Xenon |