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11-26-2009: Sorry for the inconvenience. We finally upgraded to vBulletin 3 !! See you there, Larry 6800 or X800Go to the Tech-Forums Discussion Home PagePosted by: Voxx.013 hello, hrmm ive always wonted to know from more then one person. 6800 Ultra v9999 or X800 what truely preforms better. i know that the "6800 ultra" was made for doom 3 and that the X800 beat it :amazed: but that dosnt exactly mean it will overrule every game. ive been reading alot of articles in "PC powerplay" and they all say the same thing pretty much, they dont compair so much, they just say that they are both good. any 1 know the TRUTH . :P Posted by: beedubaya The 6800s are superior to the X800 series, although the X800XT P.E. comes close. Either way you have a good card, you will just see a little better performance getting a 6800GT or 6800 Ultra. Posted by: beckerwg remember that the 6800 WILL take up 2 slots where the x800 only takes 1 Posted by: Voxx.013 2 slots ? huh Posted by: Brisky I think he means that you can expand the performance of the 6800 like some of the older video cards by adding another one in a PCI card and connecting the two. Not sure though, so don't yell I am a noob. Oh and my vote goes for the 6800. It is barely better then the x800s, and only time will tell if Half Life 2 will run better on it or not. Posted by: _SiLv3R_ no he means something else... the x800 series and the 6800 and 6800GT take up only one expansion slot... the 6800 Ultra on the other hand has a larger heatsink and requires 2 4pin molex connectors and uses up 2 expainsion slots.. so u cant use the pci slot rite under ur agp slot... but getting an ultra isnt really necesarry... evga puts the same heavy duty fan and heatsink on both their gts and ultras... so softmodding up to ultra speeds is a breeze :).. hope i cleared things up for u :) Posted by: Voxx.013 thanks man .. well said PRO :D Posted by: Voxx.013 sorry. forgot to ask best 6800 ultra for value. brands dont matter. i wont something good if im spending alot. i normally go asus. but which one ? Posted by: beedubaya Get an eVGA 6800 GT. You can overclock it to past ultra speeds and save lots of money. Posted by: Voxx.013 eVGA ? is that the brand or something .. sorry i will need u to be more specific lol sorry Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Voxx.013 [/i] [B]eVGA ? is that the brand or something .. sorry i will need u to be more specific lol sorry [/B][/QUOTE] eVGA is the brand of 6800GT that you need to get. Posted by: Yon Previously you said that the x800 performed better than the 6800 on Doom3 - but the opposite is true. but as you said before, just because it performes better on Doom 3, doesn't make it better in other game - now that is true Posted by: Voxx.013 well from that comment.. just asking for the need to know, whats the best all round video card. i would of gone with Nvidia anyways as i always have have. but whats your opinion mon the best card Posted by: Yon ATI Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Voxx.013 [/i] [B]well from that comment.. just asking for the need to know, whats the best all round video card. i would of gone with Nvidia anyways as i always have have. but whats your opinion mon the best card [/B][/QUOTE] If you're comparing the 9800 series with the GeForce FX, ATI is the best all around. It gets confusing when you start comparing the 6800s and X800s. If you are talking about the X800XT P.E., it is pretty much in dead heat with the Ultra and beats the 6800GT. The X800 Pro however can't even compete with the similar priced 6800GT, although it does beat the 9800XT. Posted by: ag3 The X800 XT PE is very close to performing with the 6800 Ultra. If the 6800 Ultra drew everything that it was supposed to, then the X800 XT PE would cut it up. But I am not going to get into that... again... :P Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ag3 [/i] [B]The X800 XT PE is very close to performing with the 6800 Ultra. If the 6800 Ultra drew everything that it was supposed to, then the X800 XT PE would cut it up. But I am not going to get into that... again... :P [/B][/QUOTE] True, the Nvidia 6800 Ultra has a "don't render black things" optimization, which really helps it in dark games such as Doom 3. I am impressed by the benchmarks of the X800XT P.E., and really its all personal preference when choosing between it and the 6800 Ultra. The P.E. does carry quite a hefty price tag though (which is why I didn't get it). Posted by: ThirtySixBelow You really can't go wrong either way unless you want that extra 1 fps that the 6800 ultra did better than the x800xt pe in doom 3 which you wont notice. Both cards are so advanced and close it's just a matter of what you like. If you want something that looks like a hauss and takes up two slots and two power connectors so you can look in your case and be like DAYUM then go for the 6800, but if you don't have the room or power and like ati cards then go for the x800. Posted by: Nubius [quote]i know that the "6800 ultra" was made for doom 3 and that the X800 beat it[/quote] Yeah you got that backwards, 6800 owned the ATI card in those trials. The 6800GT is your best bet...like beedub said, an eVGA brand 6800GT card.....like he also said...they put the same heavy duty heatsinks on ALL their cards I believe...even the 128mb so you are assured good cooling...technically better than stock if you think that the heatsink used for the ultra is also being used on their GT. it's mainly ATI fans who will route for ATI (waiting for ag3 to appear) but in all truth, Nvidia has taken the cake with their new card. And the soon to be released 6600 series (mainstrem model of 6800) will also outperform the ATI Equivelant. I think they just rushed their card out too quick to try and compete, but I think in the next gen cards, the: eVGA 6800GT 256mb Card is your best bet. [url]www.evga.com[/url] for more information, don't buy through the site though cause you can get a better price at zipzoomfly.com obviously. Maybe the top top top of the line X800's do aright, but for the most part I think their new cards are somewhat buggy and won't perform as good or as stable as the 6800. I still would have to agree on just overclocking the GT to Ultra speeds because the Ultra is a monster and will probably get pretty hot, not to mention they recommend ATLEAST a 480w power supply and thats assuming it's a good brand. So you'd probably want a 560w you can get one from thermaltake for $100 EDIT: [quote]If the 6800 Ultra drew everything that it was supposed to, then the X800 XT PE would cut it up[/quote] Can't help it that ATI wasn't smart enough to think of the 'dont render black' option :p Makes a lot of sense really and seems to really help too Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE]Can't help it that ATI wasn't smart enough to think of the 'dont render black' option Makes a lot of sense really and seems to really help too[/QUOTE] This means we will have to wait till a much brigher game using the Doom 3 engine appears before we see what card really wins, because the X800XT PE, although was beat by Nvidia, didn't do too bad in Doom 3. There is pretty much no hope for the X800 Pro however because of their decision to cut it to 12 pipes, which really decreases Doom 3 engine performance. Posted by: _SiLv3R_ well unless they decide to boost all their x800 models up to 16 pinpelines since the x600 is coming out.. but then thered be a lotta complains as some ppl got ripped off by buying the card earlier than other ppl and ending up with 4 less pipelines lol Posted by: ag3 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nubius [/i] [B]Can't help it that ATI wasn't smart enough to think of the 'dont render black' option :p Makes a lot of sense really and seems to really help too [/B][/QUOTE] Considering that the 6800 series doesn't draw about 60% of the dynamic shadowing/lighting that it is supposed to - I'm still going to stick with ATi on this one... :P Posted by: Apokalipse first of all, there are heaps of X800 verses 6800 threads in this forum, so do a search next time. ok my personal preference is that the 6800 GT is the best one to get out of all, you can overclock it heaps, like was said, to more than the ultra. I liked the 9800's over the 5950's, but the 6800's have really taken off, and beat the X800's in nearly all areas. although when AA and AF are turned on, the X800's do win sometimes, but when they do, it's not by much. however when the 6800's win, they win by a big margin. then to top it off is the better image quality from Smartshader 3.0 when you buy a 6800, it doesn't look that great, but you could always replace that cooler, to say an arctic Cooler Nvidia cooler 5, which looks better, and works better and quieter than the stock cooler. Posted by: ohGrFreak i own a ASUS 6800 gamer's edition (256 DDR3, non GT/Ultra), i have it overclocked to 420mhz (stock is 350, ultra is 425) and i am very impressed, it is a single slot card, it stays cool with stock fan and heatsink, it performs like a GT, i say save some money and get this sucker. Posted by: Nubius [quote]Considering that the 6800 series doesn't draw about 60% of the dynamic shadowing/lighting that it is supposed to [/quote] Lies ag, all lies.....60% psht..I haven't seen a review yet that has complained about seeing a lack in dynamic shading in the doom3 game. The 6600 is going to beat out the X600 too, the X600 only has 4 pipelines and the 6600 has 8, but the article I read said that even if ATI opened up 4 more pipelines it'd still hardly compare. I believe the 6600 will be like $199 and it seems like it'll be a good card. 128mb of the DDR3 memory so that should run like a champ Posted by: ag3 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nubius [/i] [B]Lies ag, all lies.....60% psht..I haven't seen a review yet that has complained about seeing a lack in dynamic shading...[/B][/QUOTE] lol... I'll send you some info on it. Believe me, it's true. Posted by: ag3 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Nubius [/i] [B]...The 6600 is going to beat out the X600 too...[/B][/QUOTE] The only decent card in that range is the X700. Posted by: beedubaya Man, I love watching fanboys argue....yea, the X600 sucks, thats why ATI is putting out the X700, which is much closer competition with the 6600. Honestly, the X800 Pro and the 6600 are very similar in performance, so ATI should just drop the price of the X800 Pro and make it the competition. Posted by: ag3 Neither companies should be releasing any PCI-E based cards (imo). It's still too early. Posted by: Yon Why is it too early? I have a PCI-E mobo... Don't see why it's too early for an impovement Posted by: Yon [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by apokalipse [/i] [B] then to top it off is the better image quality from Smartshader 3.0 [/B][/QUOTE] Smartshader 3.0 isn't about better image quality, it gives better performance whereas the image quality gets un-noticably worse Posted by: ag3 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Yon [/i] [B]Why is it too early? I have a PCI-E mobo... Don't see why it's too early for an impovement [/B][/QUOTE] Like I have mentioned on a previous thread... The current technology is not ready to take the full advantage of PCI-E. Posted by: Yon So existing technology can only take partial advantage... Which is still an advantage Posted by: ag3 With the current technology, the performance is little when comparing to AGP. The next generation of video cards are going to be released in the early 2005 (ex.: R520). That's the time to get into PCI-E. Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ag3 [/i] [B]Like I have mentioned on a previous thread... The current technology is not ready to take the full advantage of PCI-E. [/B][/QUOTE] I don't believe current cards take full advantage of AGP 8x yet, do they? Posted by: ohGrFreak [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Yon [/i] [B]Why is it too early? I have a PCI-E mobo... Don't see why it's too early for an impovement [/B][/QUOTE] too bad there is no improvement in the way of PCI-E cards yet. Posted by: PizzatheHut06 How will the 6600 compare to the 9800 Pro 128 MB? Posted by: GameGURU Get what you want IMO. Pizza...thats a good question. Posted by: WQ87 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PizzatheHut06 [/i] [B]How will the 6600 compare to the 9800 Pro 128 MB? [/B][/QUOTE]It was said it will be the equivalent to the 9800xt or above. Posted by: beedubaya [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WQ87 [/i] [B]It was said it will be the equivalent to the 9800xt or above. [/B][/QUOTE] Actually, it will be comparable to the X800 Pro. Posted by: DaShizNit609 he did say 9800Xt or avove... Posted by: beedubaya I made that statement because the 6600GT actually beats the X800 Pro in some benchmarks, and always in Doom 3. Posted by: waynejkruse10 remember, nvidia's generally noisier than ati cards Posted by: GameGURU wayne...what was that? Stupid statement. All cards are quiet...although I have heard of som nVIDIA cards in the FX series being loud. When it comes to the latest, both are silent. Posted by: Cappy i dont here my 6800 ultra when im gaming Posted by: GameGURU I dont think i hear mine at all. Posted by: Raekwon I would prefer a 6600GT to any ATi card, unless its the X800XT PE, of course, because it'll offer better performance, and it'll be a good card for ages. Please Visit the Online Configurator, Email Hosting, Internet Marketing , Computer Schools , Software for Real Estate , AAOutlook , Search Engine Site |