[Uncommon Networking methods.] -
Uncommon Networking methods.
Discuss Uncommon Networking methods.
Posted by: A_Zip1
Hey i was just like lookin up on the net like different ways of networking and to ways that ive like never heard about our, through your wall electricity outlet, and through your household phoneline... i heard you can get up to 10mbps through your house hold phone line [like transfer rates between the computers]... you just have to buy the adapters and what not, but yeah have you guys ever heard of, or used, these methods of networking?
Posted by: mikesgroovin
Sure, we use it everyday and it's almost overlooked!
Compare having 2 PCs in different rooms, but connected by a cable through the wall. You can share files, printers, internet connection, etc. on these two PCs right? Now think about a phone line. You do the same thing when you have a couple of phones in different rooms sharing a phone line.
The cabling is even similar. You need to be careful about doing this. The cable may already be there but I seriously doubt you have CAT5 running through house for your phones. Not that you need CAT5 for computer networking, but it has become the standard. Although, the type of cabling used for your phone line (most likely CAT3) can be used for networking....this type of cable is meant for voice and telephony applications and interfaces. I don't think you'll like the results when you try to use this for common PC networking. But, if you'd like, just snip the RJ-11 adapter you have on the phone line and then strip the cable. Then crimp the RJ-45 adapter on the cable and make sure that you are pairing pins 1 & 2 and also 3 & 6. These are the send and receive pins. If I have a cabling job, then I usually use the phone lines in place as a guide and then I follow these lines around the house and use a similar "drop-point" when I need to bring it down to an outlet.
-Mike
Posted by: A_Zip1
no.. i dont think you undestand what im talken about, i was reading this thing and u can like buy these adapters that like u take ur phone line then plug it into this thing, then plug that thing into you USB port [on sum of them it is parrallel port :S], then u just do that on the other computers to, i was wondering if anyone has done that before>... and what thier results were.
Posted by: mikesgroovin
Oh I see, the thing that says you can plug the thing into the other thing??
LOL
I'm just messin' around.
This sounds interesting though! Are you going to try it out?
If so, let me know how it turns out!
-Mike
Posted by: A_Zip1
Yeah its actually quite interesting.. im thinken about doin it... here read this article it might help ya more to understand it [url]http://computer.howstuffworks.com/phone-network.htm[/url] the other thing i was talking about is networking like through your AC power outlets in your wall its called 'Power-Line netorking' heres the article on that [url]http://computer.howstuffworks.com/power-network1.htm[/url]
Posted by: A_Zip1
yeah i was just looking up the hardware for 'Power-Line' networking... and it seems to be a fairly cheap option.. u can take a look at this if u want [url]http://shop.store.yahoo.com/justdeals/xe602.html[/url]
Posted by: ekĘsine
i've read about phoneline and powerline, they don't sound too great. besides the low speed, im not sure but there is something that makes me not trust them (paranoia?).
the item you showed us is refurb, maybe it fried the previous owners equipment? to me it sounds like a dumb idea to be tapping into your phone lines and power, i have no basis for this, it just does not seem right.
Posted by: A_Zip1
yea thats what i was thinken... thats why i posted it here, cuz i wasnt sure if people have had good expieriences with it, or bad.... the specs that i was reading said it could run from 10mbps - 14 mbps... personnally i think that is pretty good, but yeah i also heard that like when u use ur power allot [ie: turn on the washing machine... et.] that it substantially lowers it ur connection speed.
Posted by: gruntwerk
Powerline networking goes back to gee the wire is already there.
It has some very interesting applications when you start thinking about home automation... Everything is plugged into the electric lines.
How else would you be able to for example, start the dishwasher from work?
Posted by: ekĘsine
but who would load the dishwasher? get your wife to load the dishes and use your $2000 automation system to start the washer? home automation is a crazy man's fantasy that has no practical application. it's up there with flying hover cars
Posted by: Inaris
FLying hover cars... Come on. I need these. Who want to drive on snow when you can fly in a hover car without the ice...
These products are cool, but rather out of date, their speeds are slow, and eventhough they are simple to install, so is a wireless system. I think if anything, we need to find a way to have wireless power, so laptops can truley be wireless.
I have used the phone networking, and it really isn't all that good. Had a lot of dropped packets when moving files between machines and was not pleased with the speed at all.
The power line option is pretty cool, but as stated before, there are still too many cons to the pros. The only thing about it that I could like, is that if the power companies thought about the potential, they could become our ISPs. I think I remember something about a power company doing that a while back. Last year maybe. Have to see if I can find that. Anyway, they were offering much higher speeds right from their power lines. Simular to cable modem, but using the powerline to carry the signal.
who knows...
Posted by: ADZ
I read that article and it had me wondering as well.
Posted by: dethangel
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Oberjaeger [/i]
[B]Well, using electrical wiring as a network is great and all, but what if you're living in a shack without electricity?
No problem! Just use the tried and tested (no, honestly, it's been tested and it works)
[URL=http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/]CPIP - Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol[/URL].
You only get speed of 0.08bps though...
Or, if there's too many cats in your neighbourhood causing packet loss try [URL=http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/]TCP/IP over Bongo Drums[/URL]. [/B][/QUOTE]
man, those people have wayyyyyyyy too much time on their hands, lol and, btw you cant get 10mbps with phone line, you are only using 2 pairs (4 wires) in phone cable, and even IF you had a cat5 phone cable, you couldnt run at 10mbps with half the wires
Posted by: Ledbetter
this looks cool, thanks for like A-zip
Posted by: A_Zip1
dethangel - "...and even IF you had a cat5 phone cable..."
hmm u can use cat5 cable for ur phone? i would imagine u could but it would require allot of modding, or is thier like a phone that u can use to plug into the cat5 wire.... that still access the local area phone lines?
Posted by: gruntwerk
cat5 or 5e will work for fones.... it all depends what the other end (*i.e. the cabinet*) end of the wire is plugged into...
You can split the wires 2 pair for enet, other two pair for fone...
thats Y if ur gonna run a wire thru your house, it may as well be cat5e.
Caller ID is really fast on fiber though (*it comes up on the display even before the fone rings!!!*) ha?
Posted by: A_Zip1
So could i replace all the telephone wire'ing in my house with cat5... and ide still be able to run my telephones and network through the same line?... or would the network be slow because of the fact that it doesnt use all of the wires because the telephone is usen them?... or could i use all the wires for both and then just get a sound filter like they use with adsl?
Posted by: Inaris
Run fiber though the whole house and then spend the 50G's on the switches and all of the tools needed to splice the lines in...but it's so fast... must resist
If you run CAT5e you are Golden. If you are remodeling (like I just did) make sure to put conduit in place so that you can easily run different lines in the future. Using phone and data on the same line (CAT5 +) cause no problems... have at it...
Posted by: Escher
Great Links A_Zip1. It's a very unique approach, compared to what is done these days.
Did you try it? Did it work?
Posted by: gruntwerk
From PC World :
If some radio operators have their way, broadband Internet access may never travel over power lines. Ham radio operators and at least one U.S. federal agency contend that the emerging technology interferes with their radio signals.
Perhaps arkansas will never get to the internet. . .
Posted by: ZeekeDaGeek
My first home network was set up with the "Home Free" system.
It consists of a network card with 2 RJ11 style jacks (4 conductor CAT 3) and one RJ45 jack (8 conductor CAT 5).
You could plug into your home phone line anywhere in your home and it would allow you to network your computers.
Throughput was in the 1 Meg range.
If you use the CAT 5 connector and cable, you could get 10 Meg.
Even after I put in my hub and router, I still use the cards.
They have similar things that plug into your house wiring and allow you to network. They operate under the same fashion that the "wireless" intercoms do.
With the availability and prices of wireless pc cards and switches, the choices are numerous.
I prefer wired, because of the additional layer of security. Most home networking users don't know a thing about how to secure their networks. (and I'm one of 'em)