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iT field, Future or No Future?
Discuss iT field, Future or No Future?
Posted by: spfd
i was talking with a friend online about a college course i was thinking of taking.
it was the MCSE course.
microsoft networking course for windows 2000 professional.
My friend was telling me it wasnt worth it going into the iT field because of the _low_ average 40k salary.
Anyone have input on this? or Suggestions.
Heres a link to the course im taking, its over 10,000 canadian so, this is something serious for me.
[url]http://it.humberc.on.ca/mcse/[/url]
Your opinion is valuble.
Posted by: ADZ
meh whats $10,000 lol...jk.
go for it dude...what else do u have planned for the next couple of years :P
Posted by: robwebb
My 2 cents for what it is worth. The IT field will surely change over the next 10 years, but will continue to be very profitable IMHO. I am a consultant and have made well over $100K every year since I graduated. If you are good at what you do you can command a premium rate.
My experience is that the straight network admin / mcse track is getting pretty crowded and is pushing salaries down. Try to get into other IT area where there is still more demand than supply.
Good luck
Posted by: spfd
Any suggestions of what area of iT is in demand?
and what do you do? earning 100k every year?
What courses did you take ;)
Posted by: Ken Masters
Well I wouldn't get your MCSE just yet for Win2000 because Win2004 is coming soon, right?
I'm also taking the same career route as you spfd, network administrating, I'm taking my A+ then probably Cisco or N+.
There are a lot of people out there with the certification to be Network Admins, but the field is so huge. I shouldn't think you should have any trouble finding work. It is still a field that is far more in demand than anything else besides, say construction or nursing.
You might also want to consider IT security. ;)
Posted by: spfd
but msce gives me net+ and A+ certifiactions in it.
also, not all companies will be using win2004 due to the retarded high prices bill retard gates makes.
but wouldnt it look better if your resume said certified in windows 2000 and 2004?
Posted by: Ken Masters
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by spfd [/i]
[B]but msce gives me net+ and A+ certifiactions in it.[/B][/QUOTE]
also, not all companies will be using win2004 due to the retarded high prices bill retard gates makes.
but wouldnt it look better if your resume said certified in windows 2000 and 2004? [/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by: Ken Masters
Doh... ignore that last post. I don't know how that happened.
Posted by: Ken Masters
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by spfd [/i]
[B]but msce gives me net+ and A+ certifiactions in it.[/B][/QUOTE]
I could be wrong but I don't see A+ or Net+ in the MCSE.
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/mcse/requirements.asp[/url]
[QUOTE][B]also, not all companies will be using win2004 due to the retarded high prices bill retard gates makes.
but wouldnt it look better if your resume said certified in windows 2000 and 2004? [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure. I've just been told to hold off till Win2004 comes out.
Posted by: spfd
i mean msca ;)
Posted by: spfd
msce is NT 4.0 msca is professional 2000
heh
my bad ;)
Posted by: Ken Masters
Never heard of MSCA.
Posted by: spfd
[url]http://www.it.humberc.on.ca/mcsa/index.html[/url]
msce is NT 4 certification
msca is winpro2000
Posted by: Ken Masters
Ah, thanks chief!
So which is better MSCE or MSCA?
Posted by: spfd
MSCE = NT, MSCA = 2000 pro,
What do you thikn ;)
Posted by: James
?!
MCSE 2000 is purely for Win 2000 Server Administraion.
MCSA is purely administrative based and MCSE is definitely better.
The ranking goes like this
MCP (lowest)
MCSA
MCSE
MCSD
The difference between MCSE and MCSA is, the former also include architecture designs and implementation, the latter just pure administration of W2K Systems.
The latest of MCSE is MCSE2003 certifications.
Also MCSE 2000 comes in different format. The generic MCSE 2000 or MCSE Security (with ISA), MCSE with Exchange, so on.
Posted by: Ken Masters
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
[B}
The latest of MCSE is MCSE2003 certifications.
[/B][/QUOTE]
And when is this certification available? Or should I not bother waiting and just get my MCSE now?
Posted by: James
its already available... in Singapore. But im not sure abt other countries. You can get ur MCSE 2000 first, then take 1 or 2 conversion later to MCSE 2003. :)
Posted by: spfd
but such a waste of money but i guess it would look better on a resume..
Posted by: tylertherobot
MCSE = Microsoft Certified Service Engineer
MCSA = Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator?
Is that how it goes? That's what I"ve come to understand from friends that have taken the classes, they're two seperate certifications too from what they tell me. One's for something like PC repair type of stuff & the other is strictly networking architechture and what not.
I know the Cisco CCNA and CCDA certifications are really high in demand in the IT field, one guy that got certified from the center here got a 75k/y job in Baltimore with a 60k signing bonus.
I'd be careful, though, everybody and their brother wants to do repair & networking. Networking is catching up with the tech road anyway, take it from someone who has family & friends in the pc repair field, they went from making 90k/y to 26k/y
Whatever you do, look down the road at the future of IT careers.
And also remember that you'll probably have to take tests every 2 years or so to keep your certs up-to-date.
I'm working on getting all the certifications I can, but I'm going to go into Software Architecture & Design
Posted by: spfd
cisco eh?
is that hard as ****?
cdnaa and wata?
Posted by: tylertherobot
CCNA = Cisco Certified Networks Associate
CCDA = Cisco Certified Data Associate?
Something like that, I believe.
Cisco is strictly networking for those certifications. They're quite hard, gotta know a lot about networking.
Posted by: spfd
which ones better?
how long does the certification course take?
and i take it they cover net+?
what kinda peeps hiring ?
Posted by: tylertherobot
For the CCDA - Not sure.
For CCNA (here anyway) it's 2 years (4 semesters) of 3-hour-a-day classes (toldja it was hard) and no, they don't cover net+, it's assumed that you have networking knowledge already (like i said. that's here)
And I don't control the companies that hire, so I don't really know, you could check out monster.com or something! I'll be glad to help you look, but keep in mind job openings don't last two years.
I'm mostly getting networking stuff for computer security.
I wanna get the GIAC - [url]www.giac.org[/url]
It's a monster.
Posted by: tylertherobot
Oh, and, CCNA first, CCDA second. CCNA gets you about 50,000 a year right off (without experience - just with the cert) I think the CCDA takes about a year longer than the CCNA.
Posted by: kotuadam
wow now that is a monster!...
Posted by: shemcomputers
IT still has a future and will continue to grow...it's just about being diversed in many different areas of IT (jack of all trades). You will need to see the direction of IT and be able to jump on the bandwagon as soon as possible. The next big bang in IT will be "Security". With all these viruses, hacks, intrusions, and growing population of wireless users...security will be a highly profitable field. PC repair and Networking will always play a part of IT but the growing demand falls below because common users are more prepared and able to do-it themselves now. It's like the auto industry...an oil change once could cost about $50.00 or more but once it became so common and new technologies made it extremely simple the price dropped. Computers are not a foreign object any longer and many people are more aware of how they work and how to fix a simple problem. At one time not many people understood computers and would call or pay someone to fix a problem that only needed a reboot or something simple...today it's less common for someone to call for help on simple issues or to even set up a router in home to communicate with 2 or more computers. Times have changed and a true IT professional must change with the technology changes. Many companies/users are becoming or are dissapointed with all the exploits on Microsoft products. In all honesty I believe MCSE is a good way to go but that is a cert for a Microsoft professional...if Microsoft goes under at any time...(not that I believe it will happen) but that means that certification goes under as well and doesn't hold weight any longer but a cert like CISSP (certified information system security professional) is a gem and life-long acheivement.
Posted by: kotuadam
that is what I have been thinking from the limited researches that I have been doing...
Security and Unix will be a dominant field in the future..
anyone agreeing with having a unix administration certificate will be 1 step ahead than having a MS certificate ?
Posted by: dethangel
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ken Masters [/i]
[B]I'm not sure. I've just been told to hold off till Win2004 comes out. [/B][/QUOTE]
2004 will include 2000, my 2000 class included win98, lol
but i seriosuly would look into network security, as everyone wants to be a network admin, but not nearly as many are going for security, there is only 1 CCIE (cisco security certification) in all of the company that i work for, so he is pretty important, that is the kind of thing im going to go for, but itll take prolly 4 years for that
Posted by: XT
Get all the certs you can in order from whats more inportant from a employers perspective. But if you know lots about networking and than broad knowlage in say computer builldins/repair you would look like a very good guy to choose because you can also fix say something that is causing the network to go down right but its a hardware problem or something like that.
Posted by: mikesgroovin
I know for sure that no Microsoft certification includes the A+ and Net+ as these certifications are provided by CompTIA which is a completely different company. It will cover some general knowledge of those certifications but after taking and passing the MCSE, you will still need to read up on a lot of other A+ and Net+ material. As for the CCNA.....the first semester of this course covers a lot of the Net+ exam....but you'll still need to cover some material as these exams are completely different. I'd take the Net+ first.....a lot easier than the CCNA exam.
-Mike
Posted by: dethangel
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tylertherobot [/i]
[B]CCNA = Cisco Certified Networks Associate
CCDA = Cisco Certified Data Associate?
Something like that, I believe.
Cisco is strictly networking for those certifications. They're quite hard, gotta know a lot about networking. [/B][/QUOTE]
its
CCNA-cisco certified networking associate
CCNP-cisco certified netoworking professional
CCIE -cisco certified internetworking expert
dont ask me why they changed it in CCIE, all i know is that to get a CCIE you have to have 6+ years of experience working with cisco systems, you have to fly to San Jose, CA and take a test that costs $7500, no BS, there is only 1 guy in our whole company that has one, and this is a national company
for the CCNA you take Cisco 1, 2, 3, & 4 (2 semesters usually)
for the CCNP you take Cisco 5, 6, 7, & 8 (also 2 semesters)
for the CCIE you take Cicso 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, & 16, (4 semesters) plus have like 2 or 3 years of either OJT or internship so it ends up being like 6-7 years
the best plan (i think) is to find an entry-level job at a place that staffs higher priced technicians, learn everything you can from those people, and follow the learning path your company wants (learn what they need you to) that way, youre tailor made for them, lol neways, the best kind of job is a consultant, cuz you have much less of a chance of getting laid off (even if the company you are contracted to no longer needs you, you still have a job with the consulting firm, and theyll put you on another account) plus, you make really good money, i got started with no certifications, 1 year of college, at the age of 19 at $12 an hour, thats $3 more an hour than ive ever made anywhere else in my life, its so great!
Posted by: intialpro
Hi,
i would suggest getting into freelace and working for yourself.
Posted by: Press_F1
all of these certification stuff is great but do you really need such thing to fully enhance your IT skills? I know it will add a color to your CVs but its not really the certifications that matters. I got to know a couple of certified guys ( a MsCE certified) that dont even know how to fix or assemble a PC. so these certification kindda thing is not worth it unless you know exactly the real business in IT. All i can say to the guy who started this thread is go first with the basic. If you really want yourself to go with IT bandwagon, take a couple of local seminar or short courses regarding PC.. how it works, the what-is and how-tos of it and evrything else will follow plus you save a couple of bucks by doing this.
FYI.
the yougest MCSE is only 11yrs old! the question is, does he really knows what a real MCSE is?
with this, i think microsoft and other company like CISCO take an extra leep with regards to their exams and take experiance into consideration. cause it takes experience to be a certified expert.
IT will surely be around for the next decade or two but wtih the way technolgy is going and with the advent of cloning and stuff... I.T. will pave its way to GENETICS.
Posted by: XT
i'd say it field will merge will robotics
Posted by: office politics
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikesgroovin [/i]
[B]I know for sure that no Microsoft certification includes the A+ and Net+ as these certifications are provided by CompTIA which is a completely different company.[/B][/QUOTE]
Really? I thought MS used to give the A+ & Net+ exams as electives for the 2000 track but now that i look here, [url]http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/requirements.asp,[/url] i see they don't. However, they do give credit for the Security+.