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Are framed sites completely non-searchable by SEs?
Discuss Are framed sites completely non-searchable by SEs?
Posted by: kerriganm
Have they come up with any new techniques, or is this still true?
Posted by: jinexile
I beleive they are spiderable but difficult... its best to design your site with frames because of accessability issues.
Posted by: kerriganm
you do mean without, right? i didn't design the dang framed thing. i'm trying to get the company to ditch the frames, and coming up with evidence of why they should (can't be spidered by SEs, e.g.).
Posted by: jinexile
Err ya without :)
A major reason would be that its hard for blind people to navigate framed sites.
Posted by: Larry
any reason a company might have to USE frames....
I'm positive they can be overcomed....
THERE is NO reason to use frames and true.... frames are not search engine friendly.
Posted by: kerriganm
The main reason I'm hearing here is that the whole page doesn't need to be reloaded when one frame is changed. I can kind of see that. Can anyone offer me arguments to meet that? But the site is bizarre. The company logo has its own frame- no kidding!
Posted by: daappleby
uh changing a website that some one else designed POORLY blows! You can accomplish much the same effect with tables and its quicker. Nested tables are kinda crappy too but better than frames IMO. Just re-design it and show them the improvment.
Posted by: Larry
kerriganm --- that "speed" argument is so old.... something like 1980 :)
a "big" page is a big page, frame or not.
a fast loading site has "zero" to do with frames.
a frame site loads no faster than one without.
Posted by: kerriganm
can you guys call my coworker and tell him what a jerk he is? ;-D
thanks for all your help! now let's see if i can't break some frames!
Posted by: daappleby
sure whats the number? Enjoy re-creating that site. Hey post a link so we can see the now and then let us know when its done so we can see the after :)
Posted by: kerriganm
Well, the non-framed site might be a ways off, but this is the framed site. FIVE frames, do you believe it?
[url]http://dev.ssfautoparts.com/default.asp[/url]
Posted by: baronvongogo
i thought frames were used in the early days as it made pages appear faster bit by bit but with modern dial ups and broadband theres no need to use them.
Personally i find them a waste of time much easier to do a web page without them.
Posted by: Atlanta Mike
You go to [url]http://www.jswebpro.net[/url] and tell me his site design blows, then i'll inform you he used invisible frames. :)
Posted by: kerriganm
The site design doesn't "blow". But the use of frames in this instance is gratuitous and on some pages actually interferes with the site content. So if this designer asked my advice, I'd tell him to ditch the frames. Not a great argument, in my opinion, for framed sites.
Posted by: Acendant
Sometimes frames are the last resort. I recently made a flash header that had a little "intro" animation. I didnt want to replay the intro sequence when the whole page reloaded, so I was forced to use frames...
It sucks, and the Search Engines have a hard time with it, but there was no other viable alternative.
Posted by: mdshort
Tables are proven to take much longer to render when viewing web pages, I suggest using the provided <div> in conjunction with tables, because nested tables are bad, and even disabled in XHTML STRICT.