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Posted by: Tyler1989
The guide is outdatted not to hard to deny that. I once had plans to update it but I no longer do. Replacing the old guide will just be the official place for all Windows Vista discussion.
Posted by: Lonewolf5460
How do u get a alpa copy of longhorn?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
Cool, whats with all the removed pics.
Also, yay, 2100th post.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I am a member of MSDN Matt, I do not use the other methods which so many use. I'm legit I can promise you that. I removed the pictures myself to abide to the terms of use agreement with MSDN, having any picture to longhorn is not allowed because it is still under patients and every picture or screen shot must be approved by Microsoft. Odd yes but I'm not complaining.
The only way to get longhorn is to be a member of MSDN. There are many subscription plans as well as some academic alliances you should find the one that best suits your needs and wallet.
Posted by: SHAWN
damnit, where are the pics?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I do not wish to break my terms of user agreement with Microsoft. It's not allowed try Google image search and you will find they have already cracked down on it. No search results will appear for 5048 and many 4074 have been removed.
Posted by: SHAWN
That sucks
Posted by: waynejkruse10
oh well, but great inside info Tyler
Posted by: EricB
I got a copy of longhorn from winbeta over a year ago. It had to many issues witth new hardware and leaking memory for me. this batch file made it more stable for 4053 or 4074
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?threadid=18817[/url]
[url]http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about24440.html[/url]
Posted by: daappleby
I have an MSDN universal subsrciption and I cant find the dl link. Did they send you an e-mail or somthing?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Latest Microsoft operating systems, including the latest versions of Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 2000 Professional, Windows 2000 Advanced Server, Windows XP Professional Edition, Windows XP Home Edition, and future Windows releases. Usage rights are limited to development and testing only.
Yes you should have access to Longhorn revision 5048 or higher I don't know because 5048 is the limit on my subscription level.
Posted by: Tyler1989
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Hardware Requirements
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[/list]Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with HyperThreading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.
Mobile CPU: 1.86 GHz Intel Pentium M processor 750 (or higher), or AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology, Mobile Sempron, or Mobile Athlon 64 processor.
RAM: 512 MB of RAM or more, all platforms.
I'm dissapointed by these hardware Requirements released by microsoft. These are subject to change but this is what we can expect. My CPU is a 2.40 Pentium 4 and I have 480 RAM. I can upgrade my ram but I'm the type of persion if I need to update my processor I'm just gonna build a new PC. These are pretty high tech and I would guess that computers that are made in 2005 may have to be on the higher end to run Longhorn smoothly. This is no reason to stay behind and not update with the times though. If the future needs a certen level of power from our hardware I suggest it is time to update.
I'd also like to add Longhorn BETA 1 will be released sometime this July.
Posted by: Apokalipse
why make the requirements that high?
if "Longhorn" is going to be that much of a drag on performance I may as well stick to XP
Posted by: beedubaya
I believe the steep requirements are because of a 3D-rendered desktop. From what I've read, none of the new Longhorn features even interest me. It looks like its basically going to be all eye candy, which is not what I look for in an OS.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i was looking forward to the new CLI and Search stuff.
Posted by: Tyler1989
If you do not update you will be lost in time. The newest features besides avolon and indigo are Longhorn only, Office 12, New Software. Look There is a new .net framework for Longhorn only new software will use this framework and then all of the 2000 and XP users will be left behind eventually if they wait, wouldn't you want to continue using all that great software. There is no doubt in my mind Win2000 will be discontinued like 95-ME after all it's almost over 5 years old. Office 12 is taking a new step and will only be for Longhorn and higher don't you want microsoft office, sure open office is good but it cannot touch microsoft office. Heck even the piraters can't use this office untill they upgrade. If these requirments stop you from getting longhorn prepair to be left behind.
My mistake XP and Server 2003 will get the .net2.0 in service packs when Longhorn is released but still 2000 will be left behind.
Posted by: Tyler1989
There are some scary rumors I'm hearing that Longhorn will now not include the sidebar this is very dissapointing I hope they are not true.
This is what worries me...
Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Peterson said it's probably gone for good.
Posted by: IAM_7154
That "left behind" crap is garbage. I would never consider purchasing Longhorn for like $300 so I have the privelidge to spend another few hundred bucks on thier new office software. And, if those cpu specs are close to correct, my use of Microsoft operating systems will stop with XP. They got enough of my money already.
Posted by: Tyler1989
If you have XP you will not be left behind. I know the hardware requirments are sharp but it's because of the graphic user interphase and yes they are from microsoft themselves as accurate as can be (last I checked).
Posted by: IAM_7154
That's the problem with Microsoft, whats the need for such a demanding GUI? Don't they realize forcing users to upgrade hardware will hinder sales.
Posted by: Tyler1989
They are on top does it matter to them? It's sad but I've tried linux and I am a microsoft user at heart I'm just glad I have MSDN. But still I will be forced to buy the parts for new hardware to upgrade my OS this time.
Posted by: IAM_7154
DOES MONEY MATTER TO MICROSOFT!!? Last I checked that's what it was all about. It's just sad that my pc will be able to run Battlefield 2 , but not on Windows Longhorn.
Posted by: Tyler1989
To be honest I'm not sure about the standards microsoft has set they claim you need all that fine hardware but take a quick look at my sig I can use Longhorn alpha 4000 series and 5000 series no problem. I know the final product will demand more but it can't be demanding too much more than Beta 1 correct?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
I think it will be less demanding because they will optimise code and improve the efficency of the os.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Microsoft plans to ship its next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn, in the fall of 2006, but executives acknowledged that it could slip into the following year.
At the company's annual Worldwide Partner Conference, one Microsoft executive said the company will provide the first beta of Longhorn aimed at IT professionals this summer, but the "cool new UI" with visualization, organization and search capabilities won't be included in the Longhorn code until beta 2, which is due next year.
"I'm very confident we're going to make next year," Sanjay Parthasarathy, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Developer & Platform Evangelism Group, said about making the fall 2006 ship date for Longhorn. "Keep your fingers crossed for us."
Microsoft, Redmond, Wash., has said it will ship the Longhorn client in 2006 and server in 2007.
In the interim, Microsoft is preparing to officially launch its next-generation SQL Server 2005 and Visual Studio 2005 on Nov. 7, and Windows Server 2003 R2 and BizTalk Server 2006 by the end of the year.
At the partner conference, the Microsoft developer executive told partners that those product releases will afford them many new application development and customization possibilities.
He said the developer edition of the Longhorn beta will be available at the company's Professional Developer's Conference in September in Los Angeles.
Even as it preps those major launches, Microsoft at the show formally announced the name of a business intelligence product for Office and SQL Server 2005 due this fall, dubbed Microsoft Business Scorecard Manager, formerly code-named Maestro, and announced a realtime collaboration Presence Toolkit for Visual Studio 2005 that will deliver a new set of LiveMeeting controls inside Visual Studio 2005 for developers.
Posted by: furtivefelon
well, the requirement will drop when they release it.. as they will optimize the code before final release (Whenever that may be).. There apparently not much new in Longhorn to justify a $300+ buy, as from all i've seen they are wasting space, space and more space (desktop space i mean).. i mean, what the **** is the sidebar suppose to accomplish other than wasting space?? name one that can't be put into a double row bottom docker. From one screenshot of the "new" IE interface, i've only seen back buttons, where is the forward button?? and about 40% of the IE space is used up by the taskbar and leaving only 60% of the space for browsing..
search feature? well, they are kinda behind, there are tons of good desktop search engines, it's not worth it to buy one that integrate into windows (besides, they are not even releasing their "wonderful" new filesystem, so don't tell me those thirdparty desktop search engines can't compete)...
to conclude, they are stripping features left and right, and apparently desperately enough to be throwing eye candies as features.. great buy!
Posted by: waynejkruse10
If longhorn had these new features like Search and Filesystem, i would get it but i dont care one scrap about the look of it. I would put the theme back down to the classic.
Posted by: EricB
use this for fast searching
[url]http://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/[/url]
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i currently use Google Desktop Search, is copernic better?
Posted by: EricB
if you start typing the name like yah (Yahoo) and then stop it will show you, all of the info on your computer starting with those 3 letters. yahoo desktop search will find it as you are typing (quciker search), but I wouldn't use them as they admitted to spying on us.
they are also warning that it might be fairly easy to use google and yahoo's search to possibly break in somebody computer in the future
Posted by: waynejkruse10
oh well, i dont care really, lol, what will they find on my computer, lots and lots of CS maps!!!!!!
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Posted by: Warez Monster
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Posted by: waynejkruse10
whoa cool
Posted by: Warez Monster
Lets see what Tyler says about that...You cant learn as well if you dont have pictures.
Posted by: Tyler1989
No not cool you just hijacked illegal Longhorn pics. You cannot display any of these pics as it is breaking the terms of use agreemant. Since the login is Pual I will go ahead thinking that Paul Thurrott has broken the rules. **** IT snobs never care for the rules.
And why would I need to see these I know what Longhorn is like 4000 series are eye candy 5000 series are for developers.
Finally these illegal pics teach you nothing of longhorn. You cannot learn with pictures you need to study the inner workings hands on.
I respect my MSDN terms of use and do not want to be associated with these pictures you can take these off and put them in a Longhorn pic thread if you want but not here this is not the proper place.
Posted by: IAM_7154
Tyler1989
Why is it ok for PCWorld to publish Longhorn screens. My girl read my pcworld too, did I break the precious liscence agreement by letting her borrow it!!
Oh No, I better go turn myself in.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Don't be a smart ***
I don't care what you think as I must follow the terms of use perhaps they got special permission from microsoft as it is required but I do not want my thread degraded by illegal pictues.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Posted by: IAM_7154
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Don't be a smart ***
I don't care what you think as I must follow the terms of use perhaps they got special permission from microsoft as it is required but I do not want my thread degraded by illegal pictues. [/B][/QUOTE]
HaHa - FU - Like my new avatar?It says it all
Maybe WarezMonster got permission too, did you ask him? And by the way, starting a thread about how great Longhorn is with all its new features and pretty colors, without posting pictures is pretty boring.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I suppose cave men do like pictures I post the specs nothing more I do not break MSDN rules. And no he didn't because they are Pual Thurrotts images not his. When you have permission they must say with in your own domain no hijacking now please go to google image to keep yourself busy this is for the core of Longhorn not images.
Posted by: IAM_7154
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I suppose cave men do like pictures [/B][/QUOTE]
this is your response? Youre a clown.
well this is my last post in this riveting thread.......
Posted by: waynejkruse10
how do you become a MSDN member?
what are the rules with longhorn images?
Posted by: Tyler1989
You become a MSDN member by buying a supscription. When you are a member they give you "cool stuff" for free. The rules for longhorn are a bunch of copyright stuff.
In short Windows Codename Longhorn is still under patiant by Microsoft and any images could give away trade techniques. Basically Microsoft calls copyright on all longhorn images till it is pubically released but I am also aware that Microsoft does give permission to certian people to show off the images in demos and via other meetings. But there are a number of "illegal" photos out there from Longhorn users that break this contract.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
How much does MSDN cost and do you need any programming skils to get one?
Posted by: Warez Monster
oh well...
Posted by: macdude425
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]How much does MSDN cost and do you need any programming skils to get one? [/B][/QUOTE]
Depends, and no, not really.
Posted by: PC Man Brian
Yeah speaking of longhorn I was looking at it a few days ago. I should look further into it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Then you will get busted you cannot look for longhorn unless you are referring to illegal P2P networks or bittorrent you must get it through MSDN. And you just click download there and there is no need to look. waynejkruse10 it can cost up to 2500 USD a year or free depending on your package you select to become a member of I think you need at least MSDN Pro to get Longhorn.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
Oh well, no MSDN for me, lol.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I think you can get pro for 500 USD when you add all of the software packages they give you and the OS's it's worth the shot for pro.
Posted by: furtivefelon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I think you can get pro for 500 USD when you add all of the software packages they give you and the OS's it's worth the shot for pro. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow, microsoft sure are smart.. they are making money when their OS is still in Beta :eek:
I'm pretty sure you can get it off P2P softwares (not that i'm condoning it..)
anyhow, you pay more for the beta OS than the full release?! When someone (even microsoft) can trick thousands of people into spending 500 bucks to buy a Beta OS that expired in a short while (unless, youi get some other benefits as a MSDN pro member??), it just left me speechless..
From what i remember, beta used to be free? Especially when they give you a expiration date on your beta software.. if microsoft is careful about their bandwidth, may be it's the time to release torrent files of it :D
and last time i checked, you can make your pro look much better than longhorn by combining various softwares that definately costs less than 500 bucks :D and i really don't think a bunch of not-finished-eyecandies is a justification for anyone to shell out 500 bucks to get MSDN subscription (i really do hope somene prove me wrong here, or else microsoft had just sinked to a new low :|)
Posted by: EricB
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Posted by: furtivefelon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
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it's a joke, even a pro windows mag is degrading the hype of longhorn :P
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Posted by: Tyler1989
Great news everyone the first Beta of Longhorn is being released July 27th. Now the releases before were the Alpha series, 4000 series, and the 5000 series. This is the first beta and it will be released with no active bugs Rolling Eyes . MSDN members are sure to get this and I believe that any person can download the OS Beta if they fill out some forms.
What I do know is that the ISO will be over 700megs so it will have to be mounted onto a DVD media.
Posted by: Warez Monster
On April 25, 2005, at the WinHEC 2005 engineering conference, Microsoft unveiled Windows Code-Named "Longhorn", Build 5048. As far as stability is concerned, this is the best build of Longhorn yet. As far as what is broken, it is the worst build of windows I have ever seen. Direct Sound is broken in this build so if your cpu usage goes too high the sound will studder like there is no tomorrow. This build also sports a new search feature, which doesn't always work, but when it does work it is very nice. I would not reccomend ANYONE run this build as their main OS. If the Direct Sound bug was not present then you could, but with the bug it isn't going to happen. Anyway lets get to the tweaks, this build didn't require many at all so read on!
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Longhorn System Requirements
While Microsoft have not officially published requirements for Longhorn this is what we would reccomend as the minimum for a smooth running Longhorn:
1.5 GHz Intel Pentium 4 Processor or higher; 1.2 GHz AMD Athlon/Opteron/Athon 64
512+MB of RAM
6GB of free hard disk space
Note: Don't e-mail me if you have it running on a lower spec system, I don't care. This is just a guideline and what our tests have proven to be the minimum usable spec without occasional freeze ups and overall slow performance.
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Longhorn Installation Reccomendations
First and foremost, an excellent resource for Longhorn installation tips as well as a list of known issues is the following Microsoft KB Article:
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829967[/url]
Please pay attention to that article as it does outline a few of the limitations in Longhorn build 5048.
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Changes since build 4074
The "Jade" theme has been revised and has a much cleaner look, it is now called "Aero".
The sidebar has been removed from Longhorn.
WinFS has been scrapped from Longhorn.
Device Manager has been put back where it belongs in the system properties dialogue under the hardware tab.
Start menu now has all programs menu migrated to the left pane where the MFU appear.
There is a new shutdown button in the start menu. Windows will select the shutdown method that is best for your system (Stand by, Hibernate, etc). You can access the other options via a dropdown list which is found next to the shutdown button.
Longhorn is now built on a new core (Windows Server 2003 SP1) and was restarted in September.
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Known issues in this build
DWM Crashes when started using uxss.exe.
On some machines setup will crash with a "Stub loader for setup program has encountered an error" when starting install within windows.
Sound cards that are not natively supported by Longhorn may studder and stop working unexpectedly. This is especially true for the SB Audigy. Please refer to our DirectSound fix section for instructions on fixing this problem.
Explorer is capped to display only 50 files/folders in a given directory. This can be worked around by viewing the icons in groups and refreshing the window by pressing F5.
Onboard NVidia network cards still do not work properly.
Welcome screen is still the same as Windows XP's. It is not enabled by default.
Tooltips pop up for system tray apps after each reboot.
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Disable Un-needed Services
Longhorn has some new system services, some of which can cause slowdowns and unnecessary ram usage. To speed up Longhorn, we will want to disable a number of services. To do this, follow these instructions:
Click Start, Run. Type "services.msc" and press OK.
To disable a service, double click on it. Under the "Startup Type" field, select "Disabled".
Disable the following services:
Application Experience Lookup Service
Base Firewall Engine
IPSEC Services
mpssvc
IP
Network Access Protection Agent
Software Licensing Service
Security Center (This thing is annoying)
System Restore Service
System Maintenance Service
UPnP Device Host
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service
Windows Search Engine
It is recommended that you restart your computer after this step.
Also, for all of the lazy people out there who don't want to manually disable the services, we have made a batch file that disables and then stops the services for you. Download the batch file HERE.
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Windows Explorer: Performance Options
Click Start, right click on "Computer", and click Properties.
Click on the Advanced tab. Under Performance, click Settings.
Uncheck these options:
Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing
Fade or slide menus into view
Fade or slide tooltips into view
Fade out menu items after clicking
Show preview and filters in folder
Show shadows under menus
Slide open combo boxes
Slide taskbar buttons
Use a background image for each folder type
Close the Performance Options & System Properties dialogs.
Click Start, Run. Type "control folders". Press OK.
Click the View tab. Modify the settings as shown below.
Uncheck:
Automatically search for network folders and printers
Use Domain Folder Sharing Wizard
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DirectSound In Longhorn: How to Fix it
In Longhorn 5048, the DirectSound and Driver Installation routines are severely broken, leaving you with no sound or sound that skips and stutters.
Thanks to Nighthawk We have finally figured out a fix for this. By following the instructions below you will have fully hardware accelerated sound under Longhorn.
First, download this file:
[url]http://www.chris123nt.com/guides/5048/fixes/DSoundFix.rar[/url]
Extract the contents of the RAR file to anywhere you wish.
Now, you can either use our installer and skip to step 2, or you can replace the files manually in Step 1. To run the installer, simply open the DsoundFix.cmd file in the extracted folder.
Step 1
Run the batch file located in the FILES directory of this pack.
Step 2
Next, click on the Start Menu, right click on Computer, and click Manage.
In the Computer Management window in the left pane, choose “Device Manager”.
Under “Sound and Audio Devices”, choose your sound card. (If it’s not listed, look in the “Unknown” category, which has a yellow question mark next to it).
Right click on your audio device and click “Update Driver…”
In the “Add New Hardware” wizard, choose to specify where the driver is. Browse to wherever your drivers are located.
Once you have started installing the drivers, Windows will ask you for the location of wdmaud.drv. In the dialog that appears type in “C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32”, and press OK.
Several more Add New Hardware wizard dialogs will appear. When asked, let the wizard search for the driver. When asked to insert the Windows XP Professional CD-ROM into Drive A: (no joke), press OK. In the dialog that appears next, type “C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS”. Press OK. Do this for every “Add New Hardware” wizard dialog that appears.
Once you have installed your drivers and no more “Add New Hardware” wizard dialogs appear, restart your computer.
To see if you have fixed DirectSound, simply go to Start, Run, and type “dxdiag”. In the DirectX Diagnostics Window, click the Sound tab. Look for “Type: WDM”. This means you have hardware acceleration under DirectSound. If it says “Type: Emulation”, then either something has gone wrong, or your audio device does not support hardware acceleration and/or DirectSound.
Note: It seems that this fix does not work if Longhorn Setup Installs your sound drivers, so if your sound card is supported by Longhorn setup please disable it then re-enable it after setup is complete.
Removing the Evaluation Text from the Desktop
Thanks to Rafael For this Information
To remove the watermark text, simply copy win32k.sys, along with Rafael's patcher, into a temporary directory and execute it. You'll need to then copy the patched system file back into \system32. You can do this easiest through the recovery console, or if it's running in a VMware Virtual Machine, simply use DiskMount to mount the drive. Presto!
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Where can I download Windows “Longhorn”?
A: You can obtain Longhorn from the Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) if you are an MSDN Universal subscriber.
Q: What is the full build number of Longhorn?
A: Windows® Code Name “Longhorn”
Evaluation Copy. Build 5048.winmain_idx02.050401-0536
Q: How do I change the “Registered User” information?
A: Click Start, Run. Type “regedit”.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion, and edit the "RegisteredOwner" and "RegisteredOrganization" keys to your liking.
Q: What Internet Browser do you suggest I use in Longhorn?
A: This is really up to your own preference. You could use Internet Explorer, Avant Browser, MyIE2, Opera, Mozilla, Mozilla Firefox, or other browsers.
Q: What versions of Microsoft Office work under Longhorn?
A: Microsoft Office XP and 2003 work under Longhorn and have been tested. Office 2000 is compatible as well but has several issues.
Q: What editions of Longhorn will be available when it is completed?
A: Currently, there are planned versions of Home Edition, Professional, Tablet PC, Media Center Edition, Small Business Edition and Premium.
Q: Where can I find a timeline of the Longhorn builds & leak dates?
A: You can find these around the internet, simply by searching Google. But, for our readers’ convenience, we have compiled an easy to follow timeline with most of the information you need at the end of this guide.
Posted by: Tyler1989
No you can't get MSDN off P2P silly it's subscription to microsofts website where you can download stuff off it it's not software. Warez I'm sure Mr. THurrot isn't the god of windows why not provide your sourcing.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]No you can't get MSDN off P2P silly it's subscription to microsofts website where you can download stuff off it it's not software. Warez I'm sure Mr. THurrot isn't the god of windows why not provide your sourcing. [/B][/QUOTE]
he meant that you can get longhorn from p2p where an msdn user pobably uploaded it
Posted by: mikee
screenshots of longhorn build 5203
[url]http://www.betanews.com/slideshow/Longhorn_Build_5203/33/1[/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
Then thats illegal. And I'll say it again no one cares about screen shots that are probably forged using a transformation pack. All that matters is the new features and security.
Posted by: Warez Monster
As I guess we will all have to see who is right and who is wrong once it comes out. This should be a sticky for reference
Posted by: furtivefelon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Then thats illegal. And I'll say it again no one cares about screen shots that are probably forged using a transformation pack. All that matters is the new features and security. [/B][/QUOTE]
please enlighten me on what's this secret feature about longhorn that hasn't been hyped about?
why do you always say it's illegal when all the major windows site has been posting screenshots for ages?? you think if MS cares that much they would pull it off at least those more public sites already :|
Posted by: Tyler1989
I suppose the picture war is getting very old indeed. Has anyone confirmed that Beta One is going to be downloadable by the public or only for MSDN users?
furtivefelon I can't agree with you more it has been delayed so many times and promises so many new features. But don't you relise any new OS is going to be hyped even UNIX and Linux? The point is though that this will be greater than XP. Right now the only OS's currently out there are XP and Server 2003 with 2k discontinued a month ago. Longhorn is the best OS out there as of now. It's overhyped as any new OS is. But to make you happy an unhyped feature is Microsofts new HD moniter features.
I agree Warez this should be renamed to the official longhorn thread and stickied.
Posted by: AuBrEy Online
It will NOT be legelly open to the public ......
..... MS like money, so they can like waste it
So what version will be the best to download? Tyler? ... does you L/Horn run stable?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well you just said it will not be public but I suppose the latest MSDN verson is the most stable so I would say Beta 1 which will be released the 27th of this month. Yes some conplain you need a batch file to make it stable but I never had any problems with it (exluding the early 4000 series).
Posted by: furtivefelon
mmm.. just wondering, what does this hard drive monitor tool holds that's new (meaning not yet available in any third party software..)?
btw, your right, no one has even notice that feature yet.. i wonder... : [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=longhorn+%2B+%22hard+drive+monitor%22&btnG=Search[/url]
i just think that from the current promises, you can do everything that's available in longhorn with XP right now (agreeably with some efforts to hunt down softwares..), as one of the most important distinguishing feature would be it's new partition type.. but guess that has metamorphed into something as elusive as "future download"..
Posted by: Tyler1989
You misundestood me I'm not sure on it myself it is not am moniter it is a feature concerning HD moniters. And do WinFS is not a future download there are many versons of longhorn. The "premium verson" (odd name yes) will contian WinFS and other features that were not included in the 2006 verson ultra comes out in 2007. There is Longhorn Starter Edition, Longhorn Home Edition, Longhorn Media Center Edition , Longhorn Professional Edition, Longhorn Small Business Edition, Longhorn Mobility/Tablet PC Edition, Longhorn Premium Edition. Premium contains all the benefets of all versons.
Longhorn encrypts better than XP, it includes OneCare (antivirus antispyware). And it loads applications 15% faster than XP, can third party software do that!!!
Posted by: furtivefelon
third party software can certainly speed things up considerably :P i don't know the details, as i have never explored them before (it's pretty snappy on my desktop system, so i'm never worried :D), i'm pretty sure when you use a computer that can run longhorn (which has pretty high specs), you will get snappy performance, so no point in launching any faster (it's not discernable after a point..)
i'm not really sure what do you mean by encryption? you mean out going packets and stuff?
well, considering how well windows does it's OS, i would trust it to provide a antivirus/antispyware software (granted, third party software has holes as well, but it's not ubiquitous, and when most computer has the same software, i'm especially vulunerable... that's why i switched to freebsd :P)..
wow, longhorn is following in the footsteps of linux.. providing more and more "variety", or basically versions that contains progressively less software..
have you ever used this "HD moniter"? is it good? if so, how?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Why is everyone saying HD moniter are you talking about the pictues that some people posted. You don't have a choice and it's built in. Yes it's good and I like it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
The official name is enough to make you gag but the final name is Windows Vista.
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
yea its a gay name but who care i would like to be a member for microsoft just to get info and maybe free beta software only problem i dont have a income to pay 500 100 whateverr.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'll give you all my little hint about MSDN. I would suggest you all buy MSDN Pro. I think it's 899 USD. But with institution, state, and other tax reductions you can get it for 400 USD....
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
i would but no money for those who can get it i would becasue then you get the heads up before everyone.
Posted by: Tyler1989
More than that Vista when new will be 300 USD alone so that and some other software will pay for the MSDN package itself and probably save you money. And yeah it's cool being able to get the stuff before it is publically released.
I also wonder if they will keep the name Longhorn Beta 1 or Windows Vista Beta 1 now?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]If anyone remember back that far but XP was codename "Whistler" so MS never stays with a codename. As for the Vista they had a project back in 95-96 named ViSta. Funnt how it came back around. [/B][/QUOTE]
Let me explain yes everything has a code name but they also have a perliminary name. Earch OS I list below also had a codename but the first name is what they intended to call it but then they changed their mind again to a final name. I also don't think Vista was ever used for anything before.
Codename = Preliminary Name = Final Name
Chicago = Windows 94 OR Windows 4.0 = Windows 95
Memphis = Windows 97 = Windows 98
OS/2 3.0 = Windows NT = Windows NT 3.1
Hydra = Terminal Services = Terminal Server
No Codename! = Windows NT 5.0 = Windows 2000
Whistler Server = Windows .NET Server = Windows 2003 Server
Longhorn = WIndows Vista = ?????????
Do you see my point?
Posted by: MidwestComputer
I really think it would a waste of time for microsoft to even put it out because before long everybody can download it from p2p or bittorrent for free and plus i really do think in the long run linux will beat windows in the near feature because linux puts out a new verison of os every 3 to 6 months of the os and plus if microsoft comes out with vista it would cost to much for customer to buy just like the windows professional sp2 retail price of $150.00 and vista probley cost around $200 or $250.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[i]From what i have heard at other forums and such is that it will be Vista Beta 1 and it will also include the Beta for IE7. As for the download i dont think so. When they sent out the invites last time everyone got a unique ID. It alows for only one activation so P2P and BitTorrent are useless against that since they will know who was sharing the file at that point and be able to get them.[/i]
Posted by: Tyler1989
I hope so people like the above make me sick. Piraters should be tarred then burned. MSDN is a great way to save money yet people use illegal methods. Vista will cost 300 USD just like XP when it was rist released. Please though you have caught my interest with these identification additions I never noticed any such thing when I got my copies of MSDN.
You are also correct about the IE7 Beta it will be released the same day making them bundled together a huge possibility.
Posted by: EricB
if it's software, then there a code to make it work however you want it to.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
[QUOTE] I hope so people like the above make me sick. Piraters should be tarred then burned. MSDN is a great way to save money yet people use illegal methods. Vista will cost 300 USD just like XP when it was rist released. Please though you have caught my interest with these identification additions I never noticed any such thing when I got my copies of MSDN.[/QUOTE]
i probly wont buy it, but then i probly wont pirate it either.
Unless it is really really good then i might buy it.
Posted by: furtivefelon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I hope so people like the above make me sick. Piraters should be tarred then burned. MSDN is a great way to save money yet people use illegal methods. Vista will cost 300 USD just like XP when it was rist released. Please though you have caught my interest with these identification additions I never noticed any such thing when I got my copies of MSDN.
You are also correct about the IE7 Beta it will be released the same day making them bundled together a huge possibility. [/B][/QUOTE]
they can't afford the environmental damage, there are just too many of them :P
Posted by: Tyler1989
eh yeah we don't have enough bird feathers and tar to go around.
Anyways I've heard that Beta 1 will be released on the 27th from Mr. Thurrot but also the microsoft site says August 3rd so which date is correct?
Posted by: furtivefelon
we'll just have to wait and see.. normally i would go with the MS date, but considering their track record? nah..
Posted by: crazyb8ss
those min. specs are high. I cant wait til Mac gets released on x86 hardware. It will dominate Windows because its just so much faster with less system requirements. Imagine running OS X on a 3.8 ghz 4 gb ram! It would be unbelievibly fast. Longhorn, or vista as they are now calling it, in my oppinion is going to fail unless they make it really fast with alot of new features otherwise people are going to stick with XP because its what were used to now. XP is the longest standing OS windows has had out before another desktop PC OS release. People are used to xp, and arent going to pay $300 to upgrade something that still works fine.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Lol well it is already faster...
XP is 10% they say faster at launching apps and booting than Win2K
Vista is aiming for 15% faster than XP on boot and app luanching
Though they might or might not reach 15% when release time comes around it will be faster.
Posted by: EricB
Is it just me or do Vista sound gay for an os system name?
Posted by: Tyler1989
well you can call it Windows VI if you want heck call it what ever you want.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]well you can call it Windows VI if you want heck call it what ever you want. [/B][/QUOTE]
they didn't call windows V, Vicki. they called it XP. they should give it a better name. longhorn wasn't that bad
Posted by: Tyler1989
Like I posted before look at the names in microsofts history I think vista will change.
Codename = Preliminary Name = Final Name
Chicago = Windows 94 OR Windows 4.0 = Windows 95
Memphis = Windows 97 = Windows 98
OS/2 3.0 = Windows NT = Windows NT 3.1
Hydra = Terminal Services = Terminal Server
No Codename! = Windows NT 5.0 = Windows 2000
Whistler Server = Windows .NET Server = Windows 2003 Server
Longhorn = WIndows Vista = ?????????
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Like I posted before look at the names in microsofts history I think vista will change.
Codename = Preliminary Name = Final Name
Chicago = Windows 94 OR Windows 4.0 = Windows 95
Memphis = Windows 97 = Windows 98
OS/2 3.0 = Windows NT = Windows NT 3.1
Hydra = Terminal Services = Terminal Server
No Codename! = Windows NT 5.0 = Windows 2000
Whistler Server = Windows .NET Server = Windows 2003 Server
Longhorn = WIndows Vista = ????????? [/B][/QUOTE]
that good to hear. Vista just isn't cutting it
Posted by: waynejkruse10
Why doenst Microsoft make an os based on Linux or Unix?
Posted by: furtivefelon
because that would be admitting to the public that unix is better than windows.. MS is stupid, but not stupid enough to pee on their own charade..
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by furtivefelon [/i]
[B]because that would be admitting to the public that unix is better than windows.. MS is stupid, but not stupid enough to pee on their own charade.. [/B][/QUOTE]
You said it. I was thinking it. but I didn't want a war started
Posted by: TheHeadFL
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by furtivefelon [/i]
[B]because that would be admitting to the public that unix is better than windows.. MS is stupid, but not stupid enough to pee on their own charade.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Because that would be saying that the NT kernel is so crappy that it is worth abandoning years and years worth of legacy binary support because the *nix kernel is so vastly better.
Which it isn't.
You could argue that it is marginally better for most things, but on the whole I call BS. Windows isn't as bad as you all seem to think it is.
Posted by: Tyler1989
And here we go.....
I'll add a bit in
both have their advantages
malacious attempts are aimed at the masses linux would have security problems if it was more popular than windows
linux is for developers no nice GUI for the normal people
Windows will rob you of your money
Smarter people generally use Linux and the "click the mouse" people use windows.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
Generalizations like that are why Linux has so many fanboys in the first place.
I do 90% of my work in "click the mouse" Windows, and I laugh at the idea that smarter people supposedly more often use Linux.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well i personally know 2 very smart people in life who will only use a linux. Then you have myself and some select friends who think that windows is great if you properly configure it. I think these are generally true. And these are all the popular arguements people will generally make on both sides in a flame war.
both have their advantages
malacious attempts are aimed at the masses linux would have security problems if it was more popular than windows
linux is for developers no nice GUI for the normal people
Windows will rob you of your money
Smarter people generally use Linux and the "click the mouse" people use windows.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
you can get some nice themes for KDE.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Themes are already attempting to Copy Vista but what people don't relise is that it is not about Vista's new theme it is about improved security, stability, and productivity.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
I said that when peoples where saying that linux doesnt have a fancy desktop etc. Im running that Royale theme, i seem to like that.
Posted by: Tyler1989
But this isn't about Linux.... And this isn't about cool themes....
Posted by: Tyler1989
Windows Vista is here for all!!! MSDN subscribers will be able to download it.
Posted by: H4x3r
whoo hoo (sarcastic) i'll stick with xp pro
Posted by: waynejkruse10
Tyler are you going to DL it?
Posted by: Tyler1989
yup I ran to the store last night and got some blank DVDs. Gonna take awhile with my internet connection though *grumbles*.
Posted by: IAM_7154
Doesnt it **** you off that people who didnt pay hundreds of dollars for MSDN will have this before you? One torrent site has over 300 completed downloads in less than 12 hours......lets see if we can get some screenshots up here soon.
Posted by: Tyler1989
bah you know I'm against the screenshots go over to Mr. Thurrot if you want pictures. It looks the same as revision 5048 with a new task bar theme and some extra goodies.
Beta 1 does not include eye candy that is what Beta 2 will include.
And no it doesn't get me mad because I know they are breaking the law and are risking penalties and are also probably gonna end up with a 2.3ish Linux ISO. Lol won't they be suprised when they burn a Fedora, SuSe, or Mandriva DVD instead of a pirated Vista.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
if its a linux ISO the downloaders would report it in the comments so others wont DL it.
Posted by: amdrocks
I just wonder what is VISTA stands for.
Is it Virus, Infection, Spyware, Trojans, and Adware?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
VISTA may refer to*Volunteers in Service to America*
In the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien, Vista is a part of the atmosphere that surrounds the world of Arda before the cataclysm at the end of the Second Age. Vista forms the inner layer of normal air: above it is Ilmen, and above that Vaiya.
VISTA is the Visible & Infrared Survey Telescope for Astronomy, a 4m telescope in development which will be sited at Cerro Paranal in Chile. It is hoped that it will be operational in 2006. It will have a wide field of view, and as the name suggests it will focus on optical and infrared surveys of the sky. VISTA is being built close to ESO's VLT by a consortium of 18 UK universities.
Posted by: Vincenzo
Is Vista going to have the same problems that XP has or are they fixed.
Posted by: Vincenzo
more windows vista screen shots
[url]http://techplanetnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-vista-screen-shots.html[/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
Look I said it doesn't have any eye candy wait for Beta 2 if you want that. And no it doesn't have the same problems as XP as all active bugs had to be solved before even the beta could be released.
With the announcement of Longhorn's official name, Microsoft has left many users asking: Why Windows Vista? Company representatives told BetaNews that Microsoft felt the new version of Windows "deserved a name that was more representative of what it specifically brings to customers."
"Today, we live in a world of 'more' -- more information, more ways to communicate, more things to do, more opportunities -- and at the same time, more responsibilities. Increasingly, we all turn to our PCs to help us with that," a Microsoft spokesperson said. "At the end of the day, what you're after is a way to break through all the clutter to focus on what you want to focus on, what you need to do. What you're trying to get to is your own personal Vista -- whether that is trying to organize photos, or trying to find a file or trying to connect and collaborate with a number of people electronically."
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by amdrocks [/i]
[B]I just wonder what is VISTA stands for.
Is it Virus, Infection, Spyware, Trojans, and Adware? [/B][/QUOTE]
this is what it really stand for.
Posted by: Tyler1989
How cute.... But hey thats a nice acronym I'll use it when I hang out with some friends.
Posted by: SteveGTA
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]"Keep your fingers crossed for us." [/B][/QUOTE]
id cut my fingers off before i hoped the best for microsoft.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Then why don't you try redhat?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
the most successful disto i have come accross is Kubuntu and Ubuntu, but that is beside the point.
I hate people (especially Mac Fanboys) who complain heaps about how Windows is crappy and unstable, and not as advanced as thier precious Mac Os but in there household they have 2 Windows PC's compared to thier 1 mac. I offer to install Linux on thier PC's because they hate Windows so much. But they refuse. In reality, they need Windows but they dont accept it.
Posted by: solaris
i got beta 1 of vista, its really nothing more than a prettier version of xp, you can use 3rd party stuff to make xp look as good, then theres the longhorn transformation pack.
i like xp better using Nlite/Dreamrender/Themespatch/3d icons
looks better, desktop is animated and with nlite i can remove all the crud.
vista is just more bloated crap
after its official release and they have Nlite for it and i can get dreamrender to work on the dern thing then i'll upgrade
Posted by: Tyler1989
Vista has better security and the entire kernal was even reworked for the purpose of security. Have you dived into Vista or did you just look at the new themes and pictues :rolleyes: .
Posted by: waynejkruse10
How stable are these releases?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well they are beta but they are more stable than the 4000 and early 5000 series of vista.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
compared to XP?
Posted by: Warez Monster
Vista Screen Shots
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-01.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-02.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-06.jpg[/IMG]
Posted by: Warez Monster
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-07.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-08.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-09.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/lh-5098-clean-10.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/winvista_beta1_logo.jpg[/IMG]
Posted by: Tyler1989
Warez don't you understand yet this is beta 1 it is for developers not the public that means no eye candy. It disgust me how you try to degrade vista with pictures.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Whatever you say Mr.Tyler
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Whatever you say Mr.Tyler [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL
Posted by: Warez Monster
[URL=/www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_virtualfolders_movie.asp]How to create virtual folders[/URL]
Posted by: Tyler1989
By the gods even Mr. Thurrot makes mistakes anyone see his file called CD keys so even IT Pro peoples pirate....
Posted by: Warez Monster
Ofcourse, 90% of us do
Posted by: Warez Monster
There are there are a lot of questions about IE 7, mostly because Gates' initial comments were so vague, and Microsoft representatives have been unusually tight-lipped about IE 7's feature-set, preferring to divulge details over a long period of time. That's where I step in. Here's what we know about IE 7 right now:
IE 7 was originally scheduled only for inclusion in Windows Vista (codenamed Longhorn). The new features we're going to see in IE 7 were originally going to be available only as part of Windows Vista (codenamed Longhorn). As it is, some IE 7 features will only be included in the Windows Vista version of IE 7. The most obvious of these is the security infrastructure which requires Windows Vista.
IE 7 will be focused on security. Like the version of IE that Microsoft shipped in XP SP2, IE 7.0 will consist, mostly, of security-oriented features. One of these features will be anti-phishing technology. As Gates noted, "Some of the advances [in IE 7] include things focused on phishing, where people use URLs that appear to come from another location, things related to malware. So, [that] will be another important advance [in IE 7]." IE 7 will also include an IP traffic encryption capability that will help prevent electronic eavesdroppers from modifying data before it reaches your machine or redirecting you silently to malicious servers. "It makes sure that the traffic is encrypted, so there is no eavesdropping or modification that can take place, but it also makes absolutely sure through the use of certificates that the machine that you're connected to is the machine that you want to be able to connect to," Gates noted. Microsoft is also overhauling the IE security zones in IE 7.
IE 7 will include tabbed browsing. Microsoft will include tabbed browsing, along with other new end user features, in IE 7.
IE 7 will not include a new Outlook Express version. A few people have asked me whether IE 7 will include a new Outlook Express (OE) version (e.g. OE 7). No, it will not: The OE team is focusing instead on improving OE in Windows Vista (codenamed Longhorn).
IE 7 will be free. Like previous versions of IE, IE 7 will be free.
IE 7 will ship for XP SP2, XP x64, and Windows Server 2003 SP1 customers only. Though the company could theoretically back-port IE 7 to Windows 2000, Microsoft has decided not to do it. Instead, IE 7 will only be made available to customers running Windows XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2), Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, and Windows Server 2003 with Service Pack 1 (SP1). Obviously, a future version (possibly called IE 7.5) will be included in Windows Vista as well.
IE 7 will likely ship this calendar year. The IE 7 beta started in July 2005 and the final product will likely ship by the end of 2005. There will be at least two beta releases, according to the IE Team blog.
The version of IE in Windows Vista (codenamed Longhorn) will be quite different from standalone IE. Don't be fooled into believing that XP SP2 users are going to get Windows Vista's version of IE this year. The version of IE in Windows Vista will include advanced graphical capabilities, unique new features, and will benefit from the underlying search functionality in Windows Vista (the omission of WinFS won't change that). Windows Vista's IE 7 will be much safer than XP SP2 + IE 7 because of low-level changes to the attack surface in that OS.
IE 7 will include major changes for Web developers. While this information is likely to cause a normal person's head to spin, IE 7 will include a number of features aimed at Web developers, including support for transparent PNG files, CSS consistency, CSS 2 fixed positioning, international domain name (IDN) support, and more. IE 7 will not, however, conform fully to the CSS 2 specificaion.
IE 7 will include some interesting end user features. IE 7 isn't just about Web developers. It will sport inline searching (yes, including Google), an improved Address Bar, and one-click history deletion. IE 7 will also include "Shrink to Fit" and other printing improvements, and integrated support for RSS feeds.
IE 7 will not include ad blocking. Contrary to some rumors, IE 7 will not include any ad blocking technology. However, most existing toolbars and ad blocking-type plug-ins should still work in IE 7.
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Posted by: waynejkruse10
nice, i wonder what firefox will be like then.
Posted by: mikee
Ya that looks almost identical to firefox
Posted by: waynejkruse10
it has its similarites to firefox but still a lot of differences.
Somebody said the Royale theme for XP is a rip off of Mac os X, year sure if Apple had patented the colour blue and and a a gradient.
Posted by: solaris
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Vista has better security and the entire kernal was even reworked for the purpose of security. Have you dived into Vista or did you just look at the new themes and pictues :rolleyes: . [/B][/QUOTE]
tyler you seem aweful defensive of vista, but i guess if i was stupid enough to bendover...uh i mean pay all that money so i can "offically" download it then...i guess, but try to feel special on your own time and please no more responses of your thoughts on pirating, no one cares
but in answer to your question, its still nothing more than an xp upgrade pack, the "reworked kernal" leaves much yet to be desired as we will still see viruses and spyware and we will still download patches like a bunch of good little b*****'s
were talking about a likely $200 price tag and for that kind of money the fact that they fixed some bugs that were in xp and increased security is the least of my thoughts..it doesnt change how we can use our pc's, its still organized like an fbi library with endless clicking on folders and icons....its almost like winME all over again.
dont get me wrong, i'm not bashing it totally, i'd be the type to upgrade to it at some point but its still far from how a good OS should be, it'll be bloated with apps that were forced to install and we will still be using 3rd party applications to manage almost all user end tasks while most of ms's stuff sits there and takes up space, most will no doubt have to buy a new zone alarm firewall and all these other programs for mundain tasks
i'd rather see a cheaper version thats just the core os istelf without all the junk and then just install all the 3rd party apps i want cuz thats what most will do not long after its release..just watch
Posted by: Tyler1989
You are ignorant, MSDN is not bending over for vista it is so I can get free XP, free Vista, any microsoft OS free, infanant amount of serial keys, Free Visual Studio, among many other goodies. Many people use this service so I dn't know why you are even speaking like it is a bad deal.
To further prove you are ignorant everything is patched even Linux is patched on a daily/weekely baisis.
To again prove you are ignorant Vista is not based on XP pal it's based on Server 2003 SP1. I personally think it will be $300 but I'd love to see a $200 price tag.
Your ignorance goes above all in this one. Yes it does no more clicky with WinFS. Search for what you want just like you were googling your own PC. If you want to be left behind be my guest.
don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing you totally, I'd be curious to know how you cna make these jugdments though when you never used it. And as always you can go in windows components and unistall the apps you don't want and heck every OS does this.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]You are ignorant, MSDN is not bending over for vista it is so I can get free XP, free Vista, any microsoft OS free, infanant amount of serial keys, Free Visual Studio, among many other goodies. Many people use this service so I dn't know why you are even speaking like it is a bad deal.
To further prove you are ignorant everything is patched even Linux is patched on a daily/weekely baisis.
To again prove you are ignorant Vista is not based on XP pal it's based on Server 2003 SP1. I personally think it will be $300 but I'd love to see a $200 price tag.
Your ignorance goes above all in this one. Yes it does no more clicky with WinFS. Search for what you want just like you were googling your own PC. If you want to be left behind be my guest.
don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing you totally, I'd be curious to know how you cna make these jugdments though when you never used it. And as always you can go in windows components and unistall the apps you don't want and heck every OS does this. [/B][/QUOTE]
tyler, cut it out.
I want you to make a list of items that makes it different from xp, beside the eye candy.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
Wait so its just based on the 2003 Server SP1 kernel? Seriously?
I thought it was an all new kernel.
lmao
All the more reason I am not upgrading from x64 Edition. (Already based on 2003 SP1)
Posted by: Tyler1989
Oh please every new OS is based off of the previous kernal. Common fact that the next OS will be based off the "current" most stable kernal. Vista is based off of the 2003 SP1 kernal and reworked. 2000 is based of that evil buggy NT4.0 kernal and XP is based of the 2K kernal.
NT4.0 = **** bad evil buggy
Win2K = Ok by my standards good to others
Point is don't judge something by what it's based off of.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]tyler, cut it out.
I want you to make a list of items that makes it different from xp, beside the eye candy. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok no. 1 is?
Posted by: TheHeadFL
Tyler have you ever even used NT4? I mean, have you ever installed it, or so much as logged into a computer running it?
The fact that you call NT4 "buggy" just makes me scoff. Where I used to work we had NT4 SP6a servers with uptimes far more than a year. And they only ever got downed for hardware upgrades or something like that.
But you probably heard or read somewhere how much NT4 used to suck, so you act like you're "in the know" and spout it off like gospel.
The same with Win2k. You sure hate it a lot for someone whos probably never used it, since if you had, you'd know its almost indistinguishable from XP. The only thing that 2k didn't have going for it was the fact that it was never meant to be an "average joe" OS. If Microsoft had kept supporting it today, there would be absolutely no difference between using it and XP. In fact, I'd still be using 2K today.
I was one of those "early adopters" of 2K. I had a lot of experience with NT4 workstation, and I knew that it was really not suited for general purpose use. I also knew that Win98 was a piece of garbage. So when Win2k professional came out, I picked it up, back in 1999.
And I suffered through all the BS that was inherent with moving to the NT kernel, which is that a lot of older (poorly written) programs did not get along with NT, as well as the fact that a lot of (crappy) hardware did not work with it. I suffered through having to scour the internet for "in development" NT/2K drivers and used what I could. When I first started using it, you couldn't find drivers for anything. I got used to asking "Does it support Win2k" when buying hardware or software.
Back then, all the fanboys were running Win98SE still, because nobody wanted to use Win2k. Nobody wanted to touch the NT kernel.
Also, Win2k was not "based" on the NT4 kernel other than the fact that they were both "based on NT technology." Win2k was an entirely new kernel revision, i.e. 5.0 instead of 4.x.
And then came Windows XP late in 2001, and all the fanboys made the switch. I stuck with Win2k long after, into 2003 when I finally ended up having to switch because of lack of support for 2000. (For instance, poor Hyperthreading support)
Windows XP 5.1.2600, as far as I am concerned, was just a fancy graphical update for the 2K OS. Nothing even close to impressive until you get to SP2 where it at least stands on its own.
And so now I am an "early adopter" of Windows XP x64, and I am going through the same driver **** that I did back then. And I'm going to stick with it. Because it isn't bloated with eye candy, it runs on the fast, stable, and lean 2K3 SP1 kernel, and because I enjoy the benefits of actually USING the 64 bit extensions of my processors.
... but then I have to read threads by you and others who have probably NEVER USED it, talking about how much it sucks and how its just "a transitional OS." Yeah, well, Win2K was also a "transitional OS", since its where the NT kernel integrated into the desktop line of development. And it was a lot more stable than XP.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i like Win 2k, i found the advanced networking stuff great (even though u can probly do the same in xp) but 2000 is so lean.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
I'll tell you one aspect of XP that really ****es me off, which is the way it totally removed the networking interface that 2K used.
I can no longer just click on a folder under a share and set NTFS permissions on the files, and I can no longer even really set user-level share permissions for it.
To do anything I have to go through 10 different levels of un-hiding the settings I want.
Posted by: solaris
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]You are ignorant, MSDN is not bending over for vista it is so I can get free XP, free Vista, any microsoft OS free, infanant amount of serial keys, Free Visual Studio, among many other goodies. Many people use this service so I dn't know why you are even speaking like it is a bad deal.
To further prove you are ignorant everything is patched even Linux is patched on a daily/weekely baisis.
To again prove you are ignorant Vista is not based on XP pal it's based on Server 2003 SP1. I personally think it will be $300 but I'd love to see a $200 price tag.
Your ignorance goes above all in this one. Yes it does no more clicky with WinFS. Search for what you want just like you were googling your own PC. If you want to be left behind be my guest.
don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing you totally, I'd be curious to know how you cna make these jugdments though when you never used it. And as always you can go in windows components and unistall the apps you don't want and heck every OS does this. [/B][/QUOTE]
real mature response there tyler, i'm proud of ya
and no i'm not ignorant...i get all that stuff for free too :) but its not free when you pay money to get free stuff is it.
i never said vista was based on xp ....you didnt read and comprehend did you. you missed the whole point of my opinions of vista.
and yes i'm quite aware of their google copy, again you missed it totally ...i mentioned the comparison of its folders and endless subfolders....and i bet theres still many hidden folders which that search wont let you find...all ms os's have that and will still yet require 3rd party software
see thats what i'm talking about...all that bloated crap and everyone will still stop using it and download 3rd party stuff thats why i'd like to see a core version or option
uninstall componants you dont want...funny when the os recreates the backups and puts it right back on there...never tried to uninstall windows movie maker or msn have ya? ..see thats why they make XPlite and Nlite...duh
you dont have far to talk calling me ignorant.
Posted by: ingeborgdot
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by beedubaya [/i]
[B]I believe the steep requirements are because of a 3D-rendered desktop. From what I've read, none of the new Longhorn features even interest me. It looks like its basically going to be all eye candy, which is not what I look for in an OS. [/B][/QUOTE]
I love eye candy. Nice things are neat to look at. I hate drab and dreary screens. It makes you feel drab and dreary.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ingeborgdot [/i]
[B]I love eye candy. Nice things are neat to look at. I hate drab and dreary screens. It makes you feel drab and dreary. [/B][/QUOTE]
it is worth 300 more dollars? when it comes out somebody will copy it and make a theme pack for 10 or less..
Posted by: ingeborgdot
Is what worth 300 bucks? I was just having a little fun about eye candy. What is the question about?
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ingeborgdot [/i]
[B]Is what worth 300 bucks? I was just having a little fun about eye candy. What is the question about? [/B][/QUOTE]
ahh...
Vista
Posted by: ingeborgdot
You mean vista will just be eye candy??
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ingeborgdot [/i]
[B]You mean vista will just be eye candy?? [/B][/QUOTE]
Basically. it's XP plus eye candy. the big new thing was supposed to be winfs. but it don't work. as far as security measures, vista has more in house spying than any other windows OS before it.
Posted by: solaris
xp plus eye candy...thats what they should call it lol, i dont care how much they remade the code, its the same freaking thing, they couldve just made it xp Plus 2 upgrade pack.
but all those pretty themes get boring quick, just like xp's did and then we'll have to download a prog or theme patch just so we can install our own freaking themes and download wallpapers
my whole gripe of vista is that it doesnt change how anyone uses the pc, nothing is really easier or faster in my opinion, i can tell that i'll still have to use alot of 3rd party software, i'll likely still use opera browser and zone alarm and all that other crap so definitly not worth 200 much less 300 bucks, thats stupid
Posted by: ingeborgdot
How do you guys know it's the same thing. Have you worked with it???
Posted by: EricB
yes. I did while it was called longhorn
Posted by: ingeborgdot
Isn't the file system different? Also isn't media going to be different or the way it is handled? What operating system do you use?
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ingeborgdot [/i]
[B]Isn't the file system different? [/B][/QUOTE]
no
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vance[/i]
[B]the big new thing was supposed to be winfs. but it don't work. [/B] [/QUOTE]
Posted by: furtivefelon
well, the eye candy will get bored so quickly when everyone has the same theme :D
that is why on my family's computer which runs win xp, i put it back into classical theme, and just a plain blue background (i don't look at it anyhow, Opera starts automatically with computer, so i start with the page i last visted)..
i used to put so much program that modify my theme, but slows my computer down to a crawl.. so eye candy is out of the window for me, if i can't change it back to classical theme, i'm not ganna use it...
I tried fluxbox on my freebsd box, and i'm loving it, just a simple window manager.. that's it, only displays windows :D
yah, sure vista has alot of improvements (i'm sure because even MS has to give some improvement before they can justify their 2 year delays :|), but the eye candy isn't really good for the users.. they should just give you a powerful theme editor (allow you to change every aspect), and a couple of basic theme which user can modify, then a done theme, for those who don't change :|
Posted by: Tyler1989
Bah Eric don't lie just because I'm on vacation. WinFS did not fail in any aspect. Beta 1 for it has been released and it will be included in the Premium verson of Vista which ships in 2007 not 2006. Be patient also your list is coming when I return.
furtivefelon not everyone will have the same theme read up on Vista. There are three themes Areo, Areo Glass, Areo Diamond. Each one is better than the other and depending on your vid card you will have a certian theme. Also check the minimum specs on the first post in this thread if you can only use classic theme Vista is not for you heck XP may be too much even.
And yes eye candy is good but I stick to my previous posts it is not everything and one should not judge an OS because of the eye candy. That is why I think it is vital that windows has finally found a way of effectivly reducing the threat of viruses with the reworked kernal. The NT kernal (6.0) has been reworked to follow it's competitors... NT has been changed to restrict system wide control to unauthorised users and threats even while logged onto the administrative account just like Linux. Mock MS for following them if you want but this is one of the best things they ever done. The security of Linux and the compatability of Microsoft together is something impressive indeed.
Solaris yes it does Avolon, Indigo, WinFS, Side Bar, Virtual Folders to name a few. My memory fails me but isn't XP 500 megs with all the new features Vista is holding it puts it up to 2.5 gigs currently in a beta form. How could that be an upgrade this is the next OS no denying that.
TheHeadFL I've used MS-DOS up to Vista Beta 1 this includes all Server Version OS's. For Linux I've used Fedora, Red Hat, **** Small, Mandriva, SuSe. For UNIX I've used Solaris. My main stream OS's the ones I've mostelly used in my life were. MS-DOS (Two Semesters about) Win 3.1 (Goold quarter of a year) Win 95 (over 4 years) Win2k (1 good year) WinME (quarter of a year or less) WinXP (3 years and counting). Vista (on and off based when new releases are made). I've tried NT4.0 but not long enough to call it a main OS I used but none the less in the time I used it it was buggy.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Bah Eric don't lie just because I'm on vacation. WinFS did not fail in any aspect. Beta 1 for it has been released and it will be included in the Premium verson of Vista which ships in 2007 not 2006. Be patient also your list is coming when I return.
furtivefelon not everyone will have the same theme read up on Vista. There are three themes Areo, Areo Glass, Areo Diamond. Each one is better than the other and depending on your vid card you will have a certian theme. Also check the minimum specs on the first post in this thread if you can only use classic theme Vista is not for you heck XP may be too much even.
And yes eye candy is good but I stick to my previous posts it is not everything and one should not judge an OS because of the eye candy. That is why I think it is vital that windows has finally found a way of effectivly reducing the threat of viruses with the reworked kernal. The NT kernal (6.0) has been reworked to follow it's competitors... NT has been changed to restrict system wide control to unauthorised users and threats even while logged onto the administrative account just like Linux. Mock MS for following them if you want but this is one of the best things they ever done. The security of Linux and the compatability of Microsoft together is something impressive indeed.
Solaris yes it does Avolon, Indigo, WinFS, Side Bar, Virtual Folders to name a few. My memory fails me but isn't XP 500 megs with all the new features Vista is holding it puts it up to 2.5 gigs currently in a beta form. How could that be an upgrade this is the next OS no denying that.
TheHeadFL I've used MS-DOS up to Vista Beta 1 this includes all Server Version OS's. For Linux I've used Fedora, Red Hat, **** Small, Mandriva, SuSe. For UNIX I've used Solaris. My main stream OS's the ones I've mostelly used in my life were. MS-DOS (Two Semesters about) Win 3.1 (Goold quarter of a year) Win 95 (over 4 years) Win2k (1 good year) WinME (quarter of a year or less) WinXP (3 years and counting). Vista (on and off based when new releases are made). I've tried NT4.0 but not long enough to call it a main OS I used but none the less in the time I used it it was buggy. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow....
you just don't have a clue.
Winfs is leaking too much memory right now and they haven't fix it yet. they also redid the way it was made and it still don't work. they just expect to have it fix by then. I bet it don't reach the public until 2008.
I didn't lie. you just did.
Posted by: pliaco
is vista still going to use that really advanced database server thingy they always talked about a couple years ago?
Posted by: TheHeadFL
You think that "auditing" a few old OSs for a few weeks means you've 'used' them?
You seem to have a pretty low opinion of NT4 for having admittedly never used it.... It really ticks me off that so many people nowadays slam NT4, but they never used it. I used to be a domain admin on a 20,000+ node network with (at one time) over 150 NT4.0 servers at a previous job. NT4 is rock solid.
<--- MCSE NT 4.0, among other things.
Posted by: solaris
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]
furtivefelon not everyone will have the same theme read up on Vista. There are three themes Areo, Areo Glass, Areo Diamond. Each one is better than the other and depending on your vid card you will have a certian theme. Also check the minimum specs on the first post in this thread if you can only use classic theme Vista is not for you heck XP may be too much even.
[/B][/QUOTE]
yes were all quite aware how much you love vista and this os can never do wrong in your eyes and its worth every penny.
but 3rd party programs can do things like virtual folders and stuff lke that some of which is free, why would you insist that any of the features in vista make it worth $300
it has things like pervasive device sync...wow but the problem is i would never ever ever use that and people who do can use other software on xp to allow them to sync thier pda's and such.
there are already programs for xp that make the gui's, animated desktops, 3d icons etc use the graphics card. theres the transformation pack, people can have every peice of eye candy thats on vista on their xp.
xp is only 120 megs thanks to nlite, the rest is bloatware, theres just more of it in vista, its going to be quite a resource hog.
theres still nothing truely innovative about vista, 80% of its features can be found using 3rd party programs on xp, all of which comes no where near the $300 tag
Posted by: ingeborgdot
What operating systems are you guys running. Just curious. Anyone who reads this can please answer. Thanks.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
Main Computer: XP Pro SP2
Server (once i get it working): WIn 2000 pro and Kubuntu Linux.
Posted by: Simon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ingeborgdot [/i]
[B]What operating systems are you guys running. Just curious. Anyone who reads this can please answer. Thanks. [/B][/QUOTE]
most here are running xp pro or home
some have linux also
some win2000
+ odd few more
Posted by: ingeborgdot
So most are bashing xp but are still using it. Why are you using it if it is so bad?
Posted by: EricB
we are actually bashing vista.
XP is the latest technology, that why we use it. I use MCE 2005.
but if you must know.
1.MAC don't work on PC's (they are going to be changing that)
2. lnux isn't user friendly as it could be
3.windows has more holes than swiss cheese
4.the reason for no.3 is because MS is insistent on tracking your activites (this uses up half of it's resource)
5.IE (nuff said)
Posted by: Vincenzo
First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65466[/url]
Posted by: furtivefelon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B] furtivefelon not everyone will have the same theme read up on Vista. There are three themes Areo, Areo Glass, Areo Diamond. Each one is better than the other and depending on your vid card you will have a certian theme. Also check the minimum specs on the first post in this thread if you can only use classic theme Vista is not for you heck XP may be too much even.
[/B][/QUOTE]
well, classical is a theme as well.. it just happens to be my favorite..
how is xp too much for me if i use classical theme?! tell me one area where windows actually take adventage of it's growing boring theme??
no, everyone will be using Areo Diamond, because by the time vista comes out, computer will be at least powerful enough to sport the most "entertaining" theme there is.. Yes, people have a choice over three theme, but they will use only one..
theme is just a theme, if any third party program requires me to use a certain theme, i'm definately not using that program..
Posted by: TheHeadFL
Running Windows XP x64 on the desktop, 2003 Server on the Server, Slackware 10.1 on the linux box, and Windows XP SP2 on the laptop. My workstation at work has NT 4.0 Server on it. (It used to perform DHCP duties, etc)
Posted by: solaris
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vincenzo [/i]
[B]First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65466[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
lmao, i knew it wouldnt be long...fine job there microsoft, nothing like downloading constant patches to make you feel like your using thier previous OS again...vista has better security my @ss.
[QUOTE] 1.MAC don't work on PC's (they are going to be changing that)
2. lnux isn't user friendly as it could be
3.windows has more holes than swiss cheese
4.the reason for no.3 is because MS is insistent on tracking your activites (this uses up half of it's resource)
5.IE (nuff said)[/QUOTE]
well said, but the number one reason why people use windows is cuz of compatabilty, all the good games and programs are on windows, plus pc manufactures wont stray from it for those reasons which almost forces developers to make more programs and games for windows rather than another OS.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
Yeah, show me a linux distribution without bugs, lol....
I'm not a big Microsoft fanboy, but some of you give *nix'es too much credit.
Posted by: Warez Monster
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Posted by: furtivefelon
when you compare the second last screenshot with the last one, you can see how messy and useless is translucent GUI is.. I was wondering there why there is random color in the header, then i realized that it's the "new" feauture..
the eye candy should at least not compromise useability, and that has done so to a degree..
Posted by: shuaibao
Why is it illegal to post LH/VISTA pix? they're just screenshots. ok, I take a picture of my screenshot, oh no, google.com is copyrighted! i'm gonna get sued! wtf...
another scheme. i take a picture of one of my fav copyrighted apps, Clipboard Buddy, i'm gonna get sued!! ...
m$ b*st*rds
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well I see things didn't change at all when I was gone....
It's because it's under patent and it reviels "trade secrets" I don't agree with it myself.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Sure didnt. Still the same ole...
Posted by: waynejkruse10
thats really stupid, putting laws on screenshots.
Posted by: Tyler1989
But as warez demonstrates not many care or obey.
May not sound like it but good to be back warez I need someone to argue with. :p
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Bah Eric don't lie just because I'm on vacation. WinFS did not fail in any aspect. Beta 1 for it has been released and it will be included in the Premium verson of Vista which ships in 2007 not 2006. Be patient also your list is coming when I return.
furtivefelon not everyone will have the same theme read up on Vista. There are three themes Areo, Areo Glass, Areo Diamond. Each one is better than the other and depending on your vid card you will have a certian theme. Also check the minimum specs on the first post in this thread if you can only use classic theme Vista is not for you heck XP may be too much even.
And yes eye candy is good but I stick to my previous posts it is not everything and one should not judge an OS because of the eye candy. That is why I think it is vital that windows has finally found a way of effectivly reducing the threat of viruses with the reworked kernal. The NT kernal (6.0) has been reworked to follow it's competitors... NT has been changed to restrict system wide control to unauthorised users and threats even while logged onto the administrative account just like Linux. Mock MS for following them if you want but this is one of the best things they ever done. The security of Linux and the compatability of Microsoft together is something impressive indeed.
Solaris yes it does Avolon, Indigo, WinFS, Side Bar, Virtual Folders to name a few. My memory fails me but isn't XP 500 megs with all the new features Vista is holding it puts it up to 2.5 gigs currently in a beta form. How could that be an upgrade this is the next OS no denying that.
TheHeadFL I've used MS-DOS up to Vista Beta 1 this includes all Server Version OS's. For Linux I've used Fedora, Red Hat, **** Small, Mandriva, SuSe. For UNIX I've used Solaris. My main stream OS's the ones I've mostelly used in my life were. MS-DOS (Two Semesters about) Win 3.1 (Goold quarter of a year) Win 95 (over 4 years) Win2k (1 good year) WinME (quarter of a year or less) WinXP (3 years and counting). Vista (on and off based when new releases are made). I've tried NT4.0 but not long enough to call it a main OS I used but none the less in the time I used it it was buggy. [/B][/QUOTE]
you need to explain where did I lie?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]wow....
you just don't have a clue.
Winfs is leaking too much memory right now and they haven't fix it yet. they also redid the way it was made and it still don't work. they just expect to have it fix by then. I bet it don't reach the public until 2008.
I didn't lie. you just did. [/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by: Tyler1989
How could I forget you don't worry I am happy to be back so I can argue with you too.
[QUOTE]Basically. it's XP plus eye candy. the big new thing was supposed to be winfs. but it don't work. as far as security measures, vista has more in house spying than any other windows OS before it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Isn't the file system different?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]no[/QUOTE]
You lie for saying Vista will not include WinFS, you lie for saying it doesn't work. There is a Beta now that clearly works. May not work as well as what you want it to but it works.
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/[/url]
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]How could I forget you don't worry I am happy to be back so I can argue with you too.
You lie for saying Vista will not include WinFS, you lie for saying it doesn't work. There is a Beta now that clearly works. May not work as well as what you want it to but it works.
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Wow..
I guess that you can't read. Where did I say that? Read my whole statements.
READ
Posted by: Tyler1989
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?threadid=57368&perpage=15&pagenumber=11[/url]
You said it...
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]You lie for saying Vista will not include WinFS[/B][/QUOTE]
this what I get for arguing with a kid. now show me again where I said this
this is what I said
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]wow....
you just don't have a clue.
Winfs is leaking too much memory right now and they haven't fix it yet. they also redid the way it was made and it still don't work. they just expect to have it fix by then. I bet it don't reach the public until 2008.
I didn't lie. you just did. [/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by: Tyler1989
I fail to see how you can argue your own quote this is what you said
[QUOTE]Basically. it's XP plus eye candy. the big new thing was supposed to be winfs. but it don't work. as far as security measures, vista has more in house spying than any other windows OS before it.[/QUOTE]
You say it failed when in fact it's being bushed to a beta.
Another member asked this
[QUOTE]Isn't the file system different?[/QUOTE]
And I love this you deny WinFS is going to be included in Vista.
[QUOTE]No[/QUOTE]
You may want to edit your posts if you don't want to look like bad every post is in this page.
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57368&perpage=15&pagenumber=11[/url]
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I fail to see how you can argue your own quote this is what you said
You say it failed when in fact it's being bushed to a beta.
Another member asked this
And I love this you deny WinFS is going to be included in Vista.
You may want to edit your posts if you don't want to look like bad every post is in this page.
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57368&perpage=15&pagenumber=11[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Dumdass I suggest that you don't say anything to me right now. I'm still fumming over your other post. somehow you keep missing the part where I say it isn't working right, now. I never said it wooouullddd noootttt beeeee includeddddddd innnnnn vistaaaaaaa
and you still have not post a link where I said it wouldn't be included in vista. you dumb butt is trying to twist my words.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Ok then read that thread again and calm yourself this is old and I'm sure other members are tired of this as am I.
A member asked
"Isn't the file system different?"
This is asking isn't the windows vista file system different than winXP
You reply with
"no"
Meaning, yes it's the same Vista will only use NTFS
Tell me if there is a misunderstanding instead of yelling for once.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
but didnt microsoft say "Winfs isnt a new file system, it is a layer that sits above the file system" that does cool searching stuff. So a new file system wont be included with Vista but new technology will be included to utilise the file system better. Ill see if i can trackwhere i read that.
Posted by: Tyler1989
You may be right I was not aware of that I thought WinFS was an actuall file system format. Are there any articles?
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Ok then read that thread again and calm yourself this is old and I'm sure other members are tired of this as am I.
A member asked
"Isn't the file system different?"
This is asking isn't the windows vista file system different than winXP
You reply with
"no"
Meaning, yes it's the same Vista will only use NTFS
Tell me if there is a misunderstanding instead of yelling for once. [/B][/QUOTE]
humor me a bit. even if I said no. where did I say winfs wasn't included in vista. you're ***-U-MEd on what I meant.
and you know what happen when you assume
Posted by: solaris
tyler really shows his age, be a ms fanboy elswhere, i think any thread where the topic starter actually states that he wants to argue and looks for arguements should be closed...its pointless and a waste of time since no one is going to see one side or the other much less actually READ and COMPREHEND posts
Posted by: Tyler1989
And it is pointless to make threads just to bash others. Isn't that right Eric. If I knew everything I wouldn't be here. This thread seems to be the most popular in the entire windows forum by the way so it doesn't seem to be a waste of time.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B] If I knew everything I wouldn't be here. [/B][/QUOTE]
we can't tell
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i think this image should clarify some stuff:
[IMG]http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/Longhorn/WinFS/WinFSDataModelImg01.jpg[/IMG]
As you can see, WINFS sits above the File System and handles file system services (and yes, i dont know what the **** im on about).
Posted by: Tyler1989
Does anyone know the importants of September 30th, 2006. I was reading the EULA (I'm not joking) on my Vista revision 4074 CD and it said the software would stop responding then.
Based on that I think it's some what safe to bet the Final Vista Beta (beta 2) or the final product is planned to be released then.
Waynejkruse don't worry I don't know how to interpret that. I think it's the way the system reads or comprehends the file system????
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Does anyone know the importants of September 30th, 2006. I was reading the EULA (I'm not joking) on my Vista revision 4074 CD and it said the software would stop responding then.
Based on that I think it's some what safe to bet the Final Vista Beta (beta 2) or the final product is planned to be released then.
Waynejkruse don't worry I don't know how to interpret that. I think it's the way the system reads or comprehends the file system???? [/B][/QUOTE]
it means somebody put a foot in their mouth.
Apologies will be accepted.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
From what I have heard about WinFS, it is essentially a set of components that abstracts file system access through a relational database based on SQL 2005. As you can see in the diagram, a "relational engine" (SQL 2005) sits on top of regular NTFS.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Im running IE 7 right now. It looks great.
Posted by: Tyler1989
No doubt IE7 looks great. I kinda look how it took the looks of firefox as well.
Posted by: Warez Monster
I think it looks better myself. Im comparing right now...
Posted by: Warez Monster
This happened to me, but I removed MSN messenger and it works fine.
Some Internet Explorer 7 testers who loaded the Beta 1 bits onto their systems have found a nasty surprise BetaNews has learned: their instant messaging software crashes.
Trillian, a popular multi-network IM client, Gaim and IM2 all spit out error messages when loaded alongside IE7, and the only fix is to uninstall Microsoft's new browser.
Sources tell BetaNews the problem ostensibly lies in a DLL file used by the multi-network clients to connect to the MSN Messenger service. IE7 brings a new version of wininet.dll, which causes the crash if users connect to AOL Instant Messenger while also connecting to MSN.
Some Trillian users discovered workarounds to the problem, which often simply involved removing MSN support entirely. Others called for Cerulean Studios -- makers of Trillian -- to correct the issue. But because IE7 is currently in early stages of beta testing, a fix may be a ways off.
"The developers are aware of the issue. There will most likely be no patch for it right now because IE7 is still in BETA testing. If a patch was issued, there is a chance that something else would change that would mess it up again," said one Cerulean employee on the company's support forums.
"When IE7 is released as a final version we will take a look and if it is still causing issues with Trillian, something will definitely be done."
Cerulean is, however, currently testing a fix for customers who submit a problem report about the IE7 issue into the company's support system.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I use Trillian and the forums say
"it's a beta get over, if the problem persists when the final product is released you bet we will patch it"
Or something along those lines.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Here is the fix Tyler. I went to program files/Trillian/plugins/ copied and pasted msn.dll to a new folders on local disk, downloaded the new msn.dll file and it works fine. Here is the link:
[url]http://obscurity.ceruleanstudios.com/~dap/msn.dll[/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
Much thanks warez.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Lemme know if it works.. US actually...
Posted by: Tyler1989
Actually I got sick of compatability issues and switched back to my XP. But I downloaded the file and will use it when I switch back.
Posted by: Nukem
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]The official name is enough to make you gag but the final name is Windows Vista. [/B][/QUOTE]
And here I thought THIS was the new WINDOWS!!! ;)
[url]http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg.php[/url]
:p
Posted by: Tyler1989
funny though that looked like it was of 2k design (don't hurt me Win2K loyalists).
Posted by: Mr. Switch
Well, I use windows 2000, and what i have read so far, it looks like I’m going to get a cheap OEM windows XP CD. I would still use NTFS then, and would get most of the benefits of Vista like the .NET framework.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Alright all I've put it off long enough I'm going to start working on updating the guide.
Posted by: Arrmed
I'm running XP pro with my 350 Mhz Pentium 2 with 256 megs of ram, and a 4 meg Ati Rage Pro- and i have yet to lock up this OS yet.
BTW- I am upgrading this year to AMD 3500+ and the works.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thats true for every OS generally you can run below the system requirements.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
Tyler i have two questions for you.
1) how did you get windows vista?
2) is fedora core linux?
Posted by: Tyler1989
..... I'm tired of answering that look at the first page of this thread. (MSDN)
Fedora Core 4 is a Linux it's sponsored by Red Hat Linux often what you see in a Fedora verson will later be included in a Red Hat verson. Redhat is stable Fedora is cutting edge technology.
Posted by: Makaveli213
All i can say right now is that i use Vista but XP Pro is my primary OS. At least when Vista crashes.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
sorry abt that tyler yeah right after i asked that question i was reading an article abt vista and it said that abt MSDN, so is fedora core 4 the best linux?
Posted by: silence782
No matter what microshaft does, linux will eventually defeat them. *Insert stupid linux battle-cry here*!!!
Posted by: Tyler1989
There is no point to deny it. An Empire cannot rule forever it will one day fall for another to rule. But today is Microsoft and I don't see Linux taking over for +10 years.
Fedora is the best linux for a noob. Lol I'm good with microsoft but a noob at linux.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
I don't see Linux *ever* taking over as long as it is an OS written by programmers for programmers. And as long as they are giving it away for free.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
when does vista come out in its second beta? [I]EDIT[/I] would vista be a better choice than linux?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yes Vista is better than Linux.
I don't know they said Fall sometime (I think don't hold me on that).
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
yo tyler can you IM me on this sn: GuitarFreek1857. i couldnt PM you
Posted by: EricB
[url]http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,121774,00.asp[/url]
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
ok?
Posted by: Tyler1989
[url]http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3505/time6dq.png[/url]
About time I did something worth while
Regardless I'd like to add that Windows is my preference so Vista is better. Some like Linux and will say it's better it's all about what you are used to. I've tried many distros of Linux and found windows easy to work with and has a wide range of compatability and support.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
the support part i understand, microsoft does have very good support. the only downside is that you hafta pay :-/.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
how fast and stable does vista beta run?
Posted by: furtivefelon
the thing is tyler, if you block someone, you wouldn't understand what everyone is talking about, especially if that guy is relatively active :P but it's your account, your choice :D
yup, i begin to loathe the fact that alternative OS doesn't have enough drivers for it.. However there is a part in using OS such as freeBSD that gets you into certain clubs (geeks mostly).. Those are usually smart people :D
Posted by: EricB
why does this gay faggot racist keep fvcking with me?
Posted by: tribalsun
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Yes Vista is better than Linux.
I don't know they said Fall sometime (I think don't hold me on that). [/B][/QUOTE]
How is Vista, a beta OS that has been gutted virtually of everything that MS has promised better then Linux? Tyler, quit being such a Microsoft fanboy. :p
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
Served. :D
Posted by: Tyler1989
It's good to see you again Mr. Insult.
Think about it Linux offers no compatability when Vista is not compatible with all previous software that XP is it still can run some. That alone makes it better. And the ease of use that all Microsoft products have.
Guitar Freak I'll be more than glade to IM you I assume your messenger is AIM just log on some time.
Posted by: tribalsun
No one insulted you Tyler, see this ( :p ) that denotes some one is razzing you. As for compatibility, your saying that since Linux isn't compatible to Windows applications that it's inferior? Linux is Linux, Windows is Windows, of course compatibility issues will arise. Why not go the other way and say that since you can't run Linux apps on Windows that Linux is superior?
Vista is not superior to Linux based on the criteria you have just given.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Windows = more apps
Linux = 200-300 apps for everything ever designed (j/k)
And it is Solaris Linux is not for everyone nor is UNIX. I am running a Fedora system and there is no way that my family or some of my friends would be able to use it with ease. Windows offers that. And it also offers the greatest compatability of any OS. The Wine Emulator itself is buggy and the webpage even confirms that so you are stuck with linux apps.
Posted by: EricB
I knew that you would read my posts anyway
Mac offer the easiest to use machines and linux offer the more advance techniques.
Linux is killing MS in the 64 bit world. period. that is where the future is heading.
vista is a way for MS to make more money
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Windows = more apps
Linux = 200-300 apps for everything ever designed (j/k)
And it is Solaris Linux is not for everyone nor is UNIX. I am running a Fedora system and there is no way that my family or some of my friends would be able to use it with ease. Windows offers that. And it also offers the greatest compatability of any OS. The Wine Emulator itself is buggy and the webpage even confirms that so you are stuck with linux apps. [/B][/QUOTE]
yeah yeah windows is very easy to use i'd imagine that linux would be more complicated. haha yeah linux has an a**load of apps for everthing.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
But Linux kicks everyone in the server market. Windows server is too insecure and Mac os X server is just too crap.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
is there gonna be a vista server?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
yeah, but it wont be called that.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
yeah i heard its going to be called Longhorn Server
Posted by: Tyler1989
the link is dead now it seems...
[url]http://techplanetnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/windows-vista-first-look.html[/url]
Posted by: furtivefelon
ok, he didn't post any screenshots.. great, i'm not ganna visit that site for screenshot?
i would much rather trust someone with enough money (5 bucks a year) to afford a domain than someone who uses blogspot.. oh yah, there is one such site: [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/vista/[/url]
scroll down to see screenshots for all versions of new windows :D
Posted by: Tyler1989
vista...
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
All i got to say is when Vista comes out there will be more downloads then people buying it. You never know who is going to download it. I have seen so many sites with the beta 1. I was going to download it just to see the big fuss but then i said screw it whats the point right know its beta. :D
Posted by: TheHeadFL
What is your proof that Thurrot is nothing but a pirater? lmao
Whatever....
Posted by: TheHeadFL
BTW, Solaris is UNIX not Linux, afaik.
Posted by: tribalsun
Tyler, Paul Thurrot is not a pirater, he belongs to MSDN. As many IT Pros / authors / reviewers do, they keep a list of keys because they are constantly changing hardware around when testing new OS's. Paul Thurrot is one the most respected IT professionals / authors around today. That man knows more then this entire board combined.
A small sampling to give a peek at just how involved in the IT community Paul Thurrot is. Do you have such an impressive resume?
[QUOTE]Paul Thurrott is the news editor for Windows IT Pro. He writes a weekly editorial for Windows IT Pro UPDATE ([url]http://www.windowsitpro.com/email[/url]) and a daily Windows news and information newsletter called WinInfo Daily UPDATE ([url]http://www.wininformant.com[/url]).[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/[/url]
[url]http://www.windowsitpro.com/Authors/AuthorID/879/879.html[/url]
[url]http://www.internet-nexus.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10314[/url]
You really need to stop with this Paul Thurrot is a pirate rhetoric.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcas...lders_movie.asp[/url]
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B][url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcas...lders_movie.asp[/url]
Watch his video you will notice his folder/file that says "I am a pirater/CD keys" he blew it there I can't beleave he made that kind of mistake in his own tutorial LMAO indeed!
(not saying he pirated vista he does have MSDN of course but he pirated something). Head I know Solaris is a UNIX I have it on one of my systems. [/B][/QUOTE]
are you a moron Tyler, jsut casue he has a folder sayin " iam a pirater/CDkeys" big freak wo ha. His a a MS IT dude of coruse he is going to have that jsut like tribalsun said. Man you have some real issues.:mad: . He is not a pirate IT not a pirater. Just becasue that folder says that to him its a joke as its his computer. i have foldrs that say thses are hack's when there music files.
Posted by: furtivefelon
erm... may be i'm blind, but i don't see a folder anywhere remotely resemble what your mentioning.. can you please tell me which second is the folder shown so i can fast forward to that point?
When you talking about patient infringment, it would be better to spell it correctly, hope you correct two places in two seperate posts where you spelt patient as "patiants"..
anyhow, if indeed there is a folder named something along the lines of pirate, then he still wouldn't care about your squaking, as he is arguably one of the most respected Windows professional on the net.. You know, you should tell MS what he's been doing if your that sure he's a pirate, because if someone in his position pirates, MS will surely look into it, as long as MS cares enough about you to even listen to what you have to say :D
Posted by: EricB
Don't you guy know that we know nothing and tyler knows everything.
this is the same 13 year old that came on here as a newbie and told us that windows 2000 was junk, just because longhorn was coming out.
he probably been in computers for a year, yet he knows more than people with 20 years experience. LOL
Sike
have you ever notice that all of his post are not informative or even helpful. his best posts are the one when advise people to head to windows update and download the latest drivers. he don't solve problems here. He imposes his will on you
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
this dude is 13 S*** i thought he was older then me im 15 lol. man he has no brain lol. Get your facts rights Tyler. i can onlt image how many people here in this Forum have files that are like that with other stuff in it. So you sayin casue i have a folder that says hacks im a "hacker". YOur pretty much saying this about Mr. Thurrot, that guy is well repected.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Who said I'm 13 and yes sniper I am older than you. I would have been 3 since I am 10 years into computers, isn't that afually young? Not that it matters as age means nothing. Besides the COPPA 13 deal. And no sniper there are things called registry hacks. Thurrot is respected but he talks his *** off at times (remember his whistler reviews anyone?).
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
and that matters. I dont care if your older then me it seem i have more common sence then you about this.
Posted by: Tyler1989
A shame you can’t also say that about maturity apparently. Back on topic Paul Thurrot has detailed reviews yes but he lost my trust when he made his whistler reviews no longer do I find him credible.
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
well thats just you everyone esle seem to think other wise of him.
Posted by: Tyler1989
And we all have the right to hold our own opinion no harm done. But I would like to ask how many people think he is credible only if they were around to read his XP/Whistler reviews. It was the biggest joke I’ve seen in some time.
Posted by: Dark_Sniper*
Yea everyone does and most here dont care what you say about him.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
I read his reviews of Whistler. What is wrong with them? He called it for what it is, a semi-promising, half-assed cobbled together mess.
And you have been into computers 10 years? How old *are* you anyway?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
looking at his name im guessing he was born in 1989 - but thats an educated guess.
Posted by: furtivefelon
i believe he is one year younger than me, 16 :D
why wouldn't you find someone creditable (note the spelling again) just because they have different opinion than you on a product? That's a very imprudent decision on your part in my opinion..
He is still a well respected expert no matter how much you disapprove of him :|
and you still didn't show me where he has that folder..
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]looking at his name im guessing he was born in 1989 - but thats an educated guess. [/B][/QUOTE]
Good detective work. Proud to be born in the last days of "good music". Head did you try the whistler OS while it was being developed. It was buggy as all beta/alpha's are but never was it in anyway as bad has thurrot described it. regardless back onto Vista. I know about the client verson very well but what info does anyone have about the server version?
Posted by: TheHeadFL
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Good detective work. Proud to be born in the last days of "good music". Head did you try the whistler OS while it was being developed. It was buggy as all beta/alpha's are but never was it in anyway as bad has thurrot described it. regardless back onto Vista. I know about the client verson very well but what info does anyone have about the server version? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah I tried it. And it was pretty much just exactly like Windows 2000 which you hate, lol.
And I only asked your age because I was under the impression that you were born in 1989, making you 16 or so. Then you claimed to be using computers for 10 years or something, which is just a little hard to believe, given that age.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i got my first computer when i was 5, in 2 months i was very experienced at Windows 3.1.1 for Workgroups.
Posted by: TheHeadFL
I guess I could count playing Hoyle Card Games on my dad's 8088 as experience. And Afterburner. :)
Posted by: Tyler1989
you learn to click with a mouse and so on. Joke what you want but that is learning the fundimentals of computing. By the time I was 10 more or less I really started with my interest though. If it makes you happy I'll say 10 years of using computers 6 years of going in depth and trully learning.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
[QUOTE] guess I could count playing Hoyle Card Games on my dad's 8088 as experience. And Afterburner. [/QUOTE]
Oh MAN! What an ancient Machine, i had a BEAST - 486 33mhz
Posted by: mikee
windows vista is going to eliminate low end pcs
[url]http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/08/16.9.shtml[/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
=================
Hardware Requirements
=================
Official Microsoft Hardware Requirements, these are subject to change at anytime and without notice... Also this is for the 2006 release of Vista not the Premium version to be released in 2007. The Premium verson though a funny name for an OS will include WinFS and many other features that will not make it in the 2006 verson.
Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with Hyper Threading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.
Mobile CPU: 1.86 GHz Intel Pentium M processor 750 (or higher), or AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology, Mobile Sempron, or Mobile Athlon 64 processor.
RAM: 512 MB of RAM or more, all platforms.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
pfft, wont i be able to run it on my older Athlon XP if i turn down the visual settings?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I don't know it will of course allow for XP and legacy/classic themes. I'm more concerned about the processor I'm running a 2.40 Ghz machine thats about 4-5 years old I fear it will not run the final product of Vista. But for any microsoft OS you can run it below the requirements it just is very slow.
Posted by: furtivefelon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]windows vista is going to eliminate low end pcs
[url]http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/08/16.9.shtml[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
erm no, as hardware advance, current high end machines will become low end 2 years later, so after two years, people will really start to switch.. When people buy PCs for 400-500 (assuming US dollor?), they are obviously buying rip-offs from Best Buy and such..
I can build/buy a PC for 200-300 Canadian that is better than a 900 computer in best buy..
with the possibly exclusion of windows 95, the adoption rate of new OS is painfully slow.. So, people wouldn't even know vista before low end computer can handle vista as well :D
Posted by: 3l1t3
can i download windows vista with a msdn library subscription?
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE]Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with Hyper Threading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.[/QUOTE]
What about all the semprons and athlon 64s that run at around 2GHZ? thay arent that old
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well aparently they are "too old for Vista".
Posted by: EricB
[quote]Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with Hyper Threading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.[/quote]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]What about all the semprons and athlon 64s that run at around 2GHZ? thay arent that old [/B][/QUOTE]
they will work on it just fine. it say 3 ghz xeon, which intels makes. it doesn't say 3 ghz amd
Posted by: Warez Monster
There is no way MS will make Vistas requirements that high. They wouldnt sell fast at all. Do you know of all the thousands of people out there running under 3ghz? That might be recommened. Thats not going to happen and I will type that in stone.
512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM
• A dedicated graphics card with DirectX® 9.0 support
• A modern, Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC.
Posted by: mikee
I just hope that it'll run on my computer or I'm gonna be ****ed
Posted by: Tyler1989
Warez I can't agree with you more I also agree with Eric those are probably based on Intel Processors. I don't like the requirements myself as my graphics card will have no chance of running the final verson of Vista and I'm running a 2.4 Ghz processor.
What I can say it it's believable as in a year 2006 in the later quarters when Vista is released a 3.0 is probably low end and computers at rip off stores such as best buy have 516 Ram in them or something close to that. The general rule for computers in everything is outdated in 1-2 years. They may not be that high when Vista is released for new computers but the older computers will feel the pain such as my year 2000 PC.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i hope that microsoft has a "classic" option so it will run on older computers like 1ghz - 2ghz.
Posted by: Simon
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]i hope that microsoft has a "classic" option so it will run on older computers like 1ghz - 2ghz. [/B][/QUOTE]
I hope so too.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'm sure I've read that they do somewhere. There is Areo, Areo Glass, Areo Diamond, and Legacy if I remember. Legacy is the same as classic the thing with Vista is that XP, 2003, and Vista are current Microsoft operating systems. A MS Legacy OS is now the official identifier for Windows 2K and below. I don't understand the entire Legacy deal myself but when I spoke to warez he said it would be Win2K and down and I agree with him.
Posted by: furtivefelon
ok, why is everyone so worried that the next version of windows have such a high requirement? In fact, the required computer isn't very expensive if i buy it today (i can get such one for about 900 bucks Canadian, however.. if you get in best buy...)
a new vid card, Radeon 9000 Pro 128 mb would run the thing fine, and the last time i checked, cheapst such card costs about 40 bucks Canadian..
and most people will not upgrade until they buy a new computer, as most brand name computer comes with a OEM version of windows.. With the possible exception of windows 95, all version is slowly been adapted in a two year period (i know i'm still running 2000 until about 2 years ago..).. The current requirement in two years will become cheap computers.. If you want to be an early adapter, better prepared to shell out money for it :D
Posted by: mikee
it would probly be a better idea to wait until vista comes out because you will be able to get a better video card for the same price as a cheap one today and it will probly run vista better.
Posted by: Tyler1989
No need there are plenty of video cards today that are more than cabable of running Vista. Can't wait for the duel core video cards anyways yes thats true with any hardware if you wait it gets cheaper.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
duel core video cards?? sweet :D what next???
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i cant wait for all these new technologies to come out.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
yeah i'm going to wait for vista to come out then i'll build my new rig :D
Posted by: waynejkruse10
when will it come out? so many people say different things about the release date.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Fall 2006 as said in a Microsoft Developer Confrence etc. this is for the basic version that will not include WinFS and so many other goodies Hey XP users go to microsoft you can download the WinFS Beta 1 it requres .net framework 2.0 (hehe said it would be needed for things) also in Beta try it out. The Full/Premium variant is to come out 2007.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
what would that WINFS beta do?
Posted by: EricB
it suppose to be a faster search tool like mac has. it something like google or copernic desktop search
Posted by: Makaveli213
WinFS will index all files. It will act like the Virtual Folders in Vista. At least from the time i have spent with it that what it reminds me off. It will be for faster searching and indexing of files to keep the clutter down. Which will allow for faster Defrag times and a better running system.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I know there are a few members who are currently using Vista. Thoughs of you who are using it do you think that we will be able to upgrade Vista this time. I had to reformate everytime I switched to a new revision (4047 5048 Beta1). I'm hoping I don't have to lose all my data when I upgrade to Beta2.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
isnt Beta2 going to be available for the public tyler?
Posted by: mikee
Are you using vista on your regular computer or do you have a computer that you test on?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thats what they say.
I guess you can hope they have an upgrade from XP feature I'm curious if they have a upgrade from Beta1 Feature. Mikee I use it on my regular computer which is partitioned. The first partition is my OS the second is a second instalation of XP with my backup so I can restore the first partition when I want to to my "normal" XP with all my files. I got tired of compatability issues and dumped Vista but I'm planning on reinstalling it tuesday.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
so what happens when a updated version of the beta comes out, do you have to completly reinstall it?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thats how it's been in the past 4047 5048 and Beta 1 did not allow upgrades. I'm wondering if Beta1 will be able to upgrade to Beta2.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
hahah hopefully. i'm going to multiboot beta2 when it comes out
Posted by: Makaveli213
As far as i understand it Betas will never have an upgrade feature for the fact that they want you to start fresh. That way they can get a clear picture of what is still causing problems. If you do an upgrade then it has the possibility of being from either the old or new version. That is why they have the beta process like they do. If they allowed upgrades then Vista would have been released already and we would have SP1, SP2, SP3 and so on.
Also the changes that have occured might affect the stability of the OS not allowing it to be upgraded. Such as file system changes, virtual folder changes, video drivers, sound drivers. Everything would have an effect.
As for Beta 2 all lanes are pointed toward the fact that Beta 2 will be public and some sources have said it can be as early as December 7, 2005.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
:D can't wait
Posted by: Tyler1989
Not me though. Though the Idea of Beta2 is exiting I look at it this way. They are bringing back the side bar and other eye candy. Which is a good thing but will put performance issues on my system. In the other betas it was all about stability and code. Also the side bar and other eye candy has not been tested as good as the code and other features from Beta1 which may make Beta2 less stable than Beta1. But either way we need a Beta2 so users can correct the errors and report them.
Posted by: mikee
Is beta 1 any good for stuff like games, internet etc.
is it fast?
Posted by: Tyler1989
It's a Beta you have compatability issues thats a no brainer. Some games will not work some software will not work. Internet is using IE7 which looks like firefox still has it's bugs but I like it (yes I said I like IE for the time being). Microsoft's statments claim that
XP boots 10% faster than Win2K and runs apps 15% faster than Win2K
Vista boots 15% faster than XP and rns apps 10% faster than XP
I'm sure thats what they are aiming for as for what percent it is faster currently I cannot say.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE]XP boots 10% faster than Win2K and runs apps 15% faster than Win2K[/QUOTE]
I never noticed any speed improvments whan I upgraded my dads computer from 98 to xp, It actually got a little bit slower.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Terrible install and I recommend you reinstall then anyone can notice a boot speed increase.
As for app speed it's kinda fuzzy how MS does it. You have to take OS XP's requirements and app speed. Then you have to take OS Vista's requirements and app spped.
I'll try to explain better
If both PCs run the minimum requirements for the OS then you should notice a 15% increase on speed. You have to take into consideration OS requirements. I suspect your dads computer is below XP requirements or slightly below.
Posted by: mikee
its over the requirements
amd k6 500mhz
192mb ram
10gbhdd
Posted by: Tyler1989
I have no clue why then. But I do figure Vista's ability to shut down uneeded reasources when playing games will make it's way into making apps load and run faster also. Besides that there is always refined NT code. I'm not sure what else they are doing to make things faster other than these.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]its over the requirements
amd k6 500mhz
192mb ram
10gbhdd [/B][/QUOTE]
it's your ram. xp is a resource, despite the minium requirements xp really need 512 ram as a minium. you can get by with 256, but as soon as you added a firewall and A/V you sucked up most of that.
Posted by: EricB
this vista don't seem to work with gigabit networking
Posted by: Tyler1989
An interesting point you brought up.
Windows NT4.0 and 2K use NT code, does not support 9.X
Windows 9.X (95-ME) use 9.X code, does not support NT
Windows XP uses NT code, does support 9.X
Vista/NT6.0 uses NT code, will it support 9.X or will that cause too many problems.
Notice: I know I promised a Beta1 review but I am rather lazy and school has started so it may be awhile longer yet.....;)
Posted by: Makaveli213
If i am not mistaken Vista uses the Server 2003 code not the NT code like XP. This has been an issue on some other forums i am on about driver problems. The response is always to gget the 2003 drivers since Vista is based off of that not XP that is why not all XP drivers will work for Vista.
I have also seen that Vista has issues with Nforce Raid systems. As far as i have seen no one has been able to get it installed on that type of system.
Posted by: furtivefelon
i though 2003 uses NT code?
Posted by: Makaveli213
I think it is different. It is NT but they made some changes to it from what i remember reading abou this. I could be wrong but from my knowledge it is a different NT than 2000 and XP.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Makaveli213 you are wrong. Server 2003 does use NT code and if you don't want to call it Server 2003 it's other proper name is NT5.3. When Vista was first in alpha phases it used XP as it's foundation then they scraped everything and restarted with Server 2003 SP1 as it's fondation as it's more secure. Vista is now at a stage where Server 2003 drivers will not work anymore at least this is true with my own driver set at least.
Windows NT = Windows NT 3.1
Daytona = Windows NT3.5
Cairo = Windows NT4.0
no codename = NT5.0 = Windows 2000
Whistler = NT5.1 = Windows XP
Whistler Server = NT5.3 = Windows Server 2003
Longhorn = NT6.0 = Vista
Clear any errors you find
Posted by: Makaveli213
Okay so i am right and wrong. It is NT code but it is not the same as the NT code used for XP. As for the driver issue i have gotten my eithernet driver from the 2003 which works flawlessly. That is why some of you XP drivers wont work with Vista but the 2003 driver will. That is what i have come across. It might also work installing the drivers in Compatability mode but it wont always be successful. That is why i stated yo can use 2003 drivers if the XP dont work.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Okay so i am right and wrong. It is NT code but it is not the same as the NT code used for XP. As for the driver issue i have gotten my eithernet driver from the 2003 which works flawlessly. That is why some of you XP drivers wont work with Vista but the 2003 driver will. That is what i have come across. It might also work installing the drivers in Compatability mode but it wont always be successful. That is why i stated yo can use 2003 drivers if the XP dont work. [/B][/QUOTE]
why can't you force vista to work on a gigabit card? it think that it is a 10/100 network card, so it won't even work, even though it think the card is working
Posted by: Tyler1989
Is there a way to bypass the "must be trusted driver" that is enployed in Vista. I cannot live without my moniter/video/audio drivers when the final product comes out.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
im sure there will be compatible drivers when vista comes out, they just cant exclude everyone who has a Realtek AL650 Audio Chip or a Radeon 9600XT gpu because of a driver problem.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]why can't you force vista to work on a gigabit card? it think that it is a 10/100 network card, so it won't even work, even though it think the card is working [/B][/QUOTE]
I got the it to work i just had to get the 2003 drivers not the XP ones. That solved my problem without having to force it.
tyler as far as i have seen and heard there are ways but it depends on the device. I had an issue with my Audigy ZS 2 and the creative driver so i had to use the kX projects drivers to get sound out of my Audigy. As far as Video i dont know yet. Lots of people are having problems with the Video since they dont have a Direct X 9 video card. With out a Direct X 9 card you cant use the effects properly.(Transparency) Some people report that have been sucessful with getting them on non DX9 cards but their sucess has not been duplicated.
There has been issue for people to install Vista a nForce RAID setups. As far as i know only like 1 or 2 people have actually done it but they used a work around of some sort.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]I got the it to work i just had to get the 2003 drivers not the XP ones. That solved my problem without having to force it.
tyler as far as i have seen and heard there are ways but it depends on the device. I had an issue with my Audigy ZS 2 and the creative driver so i had to use the kX projects drivers to get sound out of my Audigy. As far as Video i dont know yet. Lots of people are having problems with the Video since they dont have a Direct X 9 video card. With out a Direct X 9 card you cant use the effects properly.(Transparency) Some people report that have been sucessful with getting them on non DX9 cards but their sucess has not been duplicated.
There has been issue for people to install Vista a nForce RAID setups. As far as i know only like 1 or 2 people have actually done it but they used a work around of some sort. [/B][/QUOTE]
I going to try that. I also have the nforce setup
Posted by: mikee
does anyone know what the minimum processor speed and ram required for windows vista is?
Posted by: Tyler1989
It's all in the first post
Desktop CPU: 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor with Hyper Threading Technology 530 (or higher) or 3 GHz Intel Xeon processor with 2 MB L2 cache, or AMD Athlon 64, Sempron, or Opteron 100, 200, or 800 processor, single or dual-core versions.
Mobile CPU: 1.86 GHz Intel Pentium M processor 750 (or higher), or AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology, Mobile Sempron, or Mobile Athlon 64 processor.
RAM: 512 MB of RAM or more, all platforms.
Posted by: EricB
Vista is whack.
I could never get it to work my gigabit card. I had to dig around and find an old network card to make the internet work. Next I tried to run the network setup wizard and it would always say that some files were missing. Then 5 day later, upon turning the computer on, it said I had some new driver (I forget the name) and now I can access my network.
When I go to my documents (this happened before & after, I move the document folder to 2nd drive) nothing was there except a folder that I still have to click. I had the same problem with my music and my pictures. Now if I dig deep enough in the OS customization, I can change the settings to make my documents, etc., to show up like a menu, then I can see them when I go to it (they will show up on the side). But I don't like that way.
I hate the way it hijack the Boot.ini files or the boot path. if you run your computer with dual or triple boot system (like my set up) you can't reinstall windows on the other partitions, without delete all boot paths thus rendering those and it own OS path useless. It will only recognize the new reinstall OS path. Fix mbr won't work (especially for vista). That was never a problem for an xp disc.
Finally it is nothing but an over bloated XP. I found myself tried of it after a week and I went back to windows. Then I deleted it after the boot path got eliminated. I will not reinstall it
Posted by: Tyler1989
Eric I have a Yamaha Sound Card. As most know Yamaha was bought out about four years ago making compatability issues difficult. Now step that up a notch and try to get a Yamaha sound card to work on vista.
So I eventually gave that up and live without sound for the time being. It's a hellish existance computers were ment to have sound. But that is the fact with any Beta and your gig card is no exeption.
As for bloatware I don't think it is physically. Hardrives can support it. And seeing as how it's 15% faster boot 10% faster app load I can hardly call it bloated.
Posted by: mikee
but is that the bare minimum to run it?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yes it is. That is the minimum requirments.
It's known for any OS you can run below min requirments I'm running Beta 1 now I have 2.40 ghz of processing power and 480 RAM.
Posted by: mikee
hmmmm wonder if it ll run on my system
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i think the min. requirements will be less at time of release.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]i think the min. requirements will be less at time of release. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree vista is a less resource hog than that leaky longhorn. with longhorn you needed a 3 gig processor with a gig ram just for the computer to get stuck (locked)
Posted by: Tyler1989
We all would want that and it's true in some extent already as the page file usage of VistaB1 is less then Long4047.
Posted by: beedubaya
If they want this to sell, it will have to have less minimum requirements, since most people are still buying computers with 256MB of RAM abd 2.6GHz Celeron processors.
Posted by: mikee
Here's what I think the minimum requirements should be for vista
1.3ghz processor
384mb ram
64mb video card
Posted by: waynejkruse10
personally, i think there should be a setting (and i think there will be) so you can turn the visual enhancements down to a level of Windows XP or Windows 2000 so you dont need even a 64mb GPU. But 1ghz and 256mb Ram would sound right for Vista.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Here's what I think the minimum requirements should be for vista
1.3ghz processor
384mb ram
64mb video card [/B][/QUOTE]
Never EVER happen.
Vista is slow on a 2.0 ghz processor I run a 2.4 and can feel the penalties.
Vista uses 330 ram in it's current stat on it's own without any apps installed.
I haven't really explored video card comparisions of Vista.
I'm interested to hear what other uses think.
Posted by: mikee
Ya but won't ms optimize the code so it won't use huge reasorces?
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Ya but won't ms optimize the code so it won't use huge reasorces? [/B][/QUOTE]
since when do MS care about the users?
Posted by: Tyler1989
It's not about caring for the users Eric. MS optimises the code on every version of windows to reach their aclaimed "uber productivity" they brag about. I forget XP boots 15% faster and loads apps 10% faster than 2K or are the percents reversed? Vista is aiming even higher. They have already optimised the code and will only improve it over time.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
it runs slow because its in beta. It should still be able to run just say on a 1ghz Machine but all the visual settings should be able to be turned down or off.
Posted by: mikee
I think if it runs at 1ghz and has a good video card it should be able to run with the visual stuff turned on.
Posted by: mikee
ps vista will have a thing that detects what your computer's capabilities are and optimizes itself for that setup ie if you don't have a good enough graphics card to run the aero graphics it will be turned off audomatically.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mikee that may be my problem as it never happened in 4047 but they could have implemented that feature in Beta1.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
if there isnt anything like that microsoft is screwing themselvs over for the majority of thier users.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Actually not by the time Vista is released those graphic crads will be basic my PC is over four years old so it's common logic my video card will not be up to date.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
but XP runs fine on a P3 Tuatlin, so why cant Vista run on a Athlon XP.
Posted by: Tyler1989
It can run on a Athlon XP......
XP was developed in 2001 right so there is a 5 year difference. I think that is enough to explain why XP technology is not sufficient for Vista.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
lol, i got my dates mixed up.
Posted by: mikee
why does the aero graphics thing in vista require such a big graphics card all it seems like is translucent titlebars and I can do that easily in xp on my system.
Posted by: Tyler1989
HAHAHA after nearly a month and a half of trying I HAVE SOUND! This is a great acomplisment for me. Take that Vista to **** with your must be digitally signed policies.
Now I just need to get translucent graphics but how can I do this if my card is inferior. But if there is a will there is a way.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
what graphics card u have?
Posted by: backlashwave
with such relative high minimum requirements,who is gonn abuy it,
don't get me wrong but what are all those millions of pc user who use systems like p4 1.4GHz do.
i bet compared to the number of pc users who have pc with 1.4 to 2.8 ghz processer are far greater in number than those who have 3.0GHz
and most of them won't buy new pc's until there existing ones are obsolete.
the point what purpose will vista serve.
and the last point is apart from security(which obviously microsoft is under pressure to perform) how does it fare better than xp or ny how much percent is it better.
in my opinion many wouldn't prefer to change the OS unless it offers better performance compared to XP.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well after the bit of testing i have done with Vista myself it does seem to be fudamentally good. I have not had any spyware or viruses with it yet. But that could also be due to the fact i use Opera and no viruses have been written for it yet. It does have a lot to offer compare to XP. Virtual folders, better graphics, more security among other things. I have not had the oppurtunity like i would have to really hammer it but it has done well with what i have thrown at it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
backlashwave it already is better. It boots 15% faster than XP and XP boot 10% faster than Win2K. It loads apps 10% faster than XP and XP loads apps faster 5% or 10% faster than Win2K I forget it was a long time ago. These are the benchmarks they are aiming for. In the end it is much faster. Beta1 users already can slightly notice it but we will trully notice it in future builds and perhaps beta2 when MS includes their new RAM features and uses for it. Now there is a reason to have 4-10 gigs of RAM on your system it you want uber speed even though you only need 512 megs.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well i now have Vista Build 5219 installed and running and it is already better than Beta 1 (Build 5112). Not as much memory usage and it actually has some better support for drivers and that already. They say that this build is supposed to be close to the Beta 2 build but i dont know how true that is. They have already made some big leaps and bounds with the OS since Beta 1 release. I cant wait to see where it goes from here.
Posted by: Tyler1989
That makes me mad. How are people getting it it hasn't hit Technet or MSDN yet grrr... I want it.
Posted by: Makaveli213
I got mine off MSDN. I dont know why it isnt there for you. I know people that had it the same day it was given at the PDC from MSDN.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Well after the bit of testing i have done with Vista myself it does seem to be fudamentally good. I have not had any spyware or viruses with it yet. But that could also be due to the fact i use Opera and no viruses have been written for it yet. It does have a lot to offer compare to XP. Virtual folders, better graphics, more security among other things. I have not had the oppurtunity like i would have to really hammer it but it has done well with what i have thrown at it. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have just read about a patch for an opera virus in pcworld
Posted by: Tyler1989
It must have something to do with subscription levels and how much you paid for MSDN....
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]I have just read about a patch for an opera virus in pcworld [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks for that info. I will run NOD and see if it catches anything.
Posted by: EricB
oops. wrong links. I'll try to find it later
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i hope to see ram prices go down because the wave of computers following Vista's release will need more ram.
I guess it will be normal to see people with 2-4gb of ram if Vista can utilise it well.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]i hope to see ram prices go down because the wave of computers following Vista's release will need more ram.
I guess it will be normal to see people with 2-4gb of ram if Vista can utilise it well. [/B][/QUOTE]
the trend for the future of computing is have the programs run in the ram instead of the hard drive (for a tenfold increase in speed) so hopefully you will start to see 10 gig ram stick come out
Posted by: waynejkruse10
yay, that will be fun!
i believe ram is at least 40 times faster than hdd.
Posted by: Tyler1989
This is probably how MS plans to run their apps 15% faster than WinXP but you need a **** of a lot of RAM. The most basic version of vista allows 0-8 gigs of RAM. and the Ultimate allows +120 gigs of RAM, can someone tell me where the average guy fits 120 gigs of RAM in his machine?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Either that would be a server or a datacenter server. Average user would not have that much RAM in thier machine. That is for top end machines.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Either that would be a server or a datacenter server. Average user would not have that much RAM in thier machine. That is for top end machines. [/B][/QUOTE]
actually they are going to implement this technology into every computer. Just think about how far have we came in the last five years
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i think 2gb and 4gb will become the normal.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]i think 2gb and 4gb will become the normal. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ya then all the people with the 32bit versions will be stuck after that won't they?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I don't think to many users that microsoft is marketing to will have 32 bit systems by then at least under 50% will be 32 bit.
Also it better be more than 2-4 gig for the normal. Think about it RAM for the system is at a minimum 512 that means you would at least want a gig for the OS. Then you want a gig for your apps. Then you want yet another 2-3 gigs for the new features Vista will implement for faster app loading. I say a minimum of 5 gig would be great on the Ultimate Edition of Vista (currently the only version that uses RAM to incease speed if I"m not mistaken).
Posted by: mikee
well I'm gonna try and get beta2 when it comes out in november or december or when ever.
Posted by: Tyler1989
December 7th.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
yeah me too, heard anything about a price tyler?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Not yet. We can only guess what version will be mroe expensive than other versions based on their features.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Not yet. We can only guess what version will be mroe expensive than other versions based on their features. [/B][/QUOTE]
ultra edition
Posted by: mikee
thats the one I think i'm gonna get when it comes out
Posted by: Warez Monster
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]This is probably how MS plans to run their apps 15% faster than WinXP but you need a **** of a lot of RAM. The most basic version of vista allows 0-8 gigs of RAM. and the Ultimate allows +120 gigs of RAM, can someone tell me where the average guy fits 120 gigs of RAM in his machine? [/B][/QUOTE]
120gigs of ram?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
you can get mobos that support up to 64gb of ram but thats quad processor motherboards.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
daaaaannnggg
Posted by: waynejkruse10
they used to be really crappy - ATI 8mb Integrated Graphics but now you can see dual and sometimes even quad mobos with PCI-E and SLI.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yeah Warez I think it can allow +120 gigs of RAM at least the last time I checked I think it said that. But in todays RAM chips I see no room I mean you would have to have +50 Chips of ram inside one tower case on one motherboard. I see that as a problem.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Not unlessit is a Server or Data Center Server that is pretty much the size of a room and then it would all fit.
Posted by: furtivefelon
50+ RAM is certainly not possible on one tower (who would need them?).. However, it would certainly be possible in on node of about 10-30 servers :D
Posted by: Tyler1989
Which brings me to my next question is Microsoft stupid or is Microsoft really hopfull that 20gig RAM chips are developed in the following year:eek: .
Posted by: Lonewolf5460
no i think they just did not want to have a problem like with the 137 gb limit on hds so they put in a large # just to be sure.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Does anyone have Vista and have a problem getting the DWM (Glass Effects) to work. I have the fix for it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Me ME ME ME!!!!!
My video card is crappy and will not allow it.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Me ME ME ME!!!!!
My video card is crappy and will not allow it. [/B][/QUOTE]
what video card do you have?
Posted by: Tyler1989
A old crappy 32 meg 4 year old one that was never built for gaming even 4 years ago. Name is unknown but it sucks.
64 meg is the bare essentials for glass to work.
Posted by: mikee
that means if i had vista the glass would kinda work but I should have a new vid card by tome vista comes out.
Posted by: maroon1
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Makaveli213 you are wrong. Server 2003 does use NT code and if you don't want to call it Server 2003 it's other proper name is NT5.3. When Vista was first in alpha phases it used XP as it's foundation then they scraped everything and restarted with Server 2003 SP1 as it's fondation as it's more secure. Vista is now at a stage where Server 2003 drivers will not work anymore at least this is true with my own driver set at least.
Windows NT = Windows NT 3.1
Daytona = Windows NT3.5
Cairo = Windows NT4.0
no codename = NT5.0 = Windows 2000
Whistler = NT5.1 = Windows XP
Whistler Server = NT5.3 = Windows Server 2003
Longhorn = NT6.0 = Vista
Clear any errors you find [/B][/QUOTE]
Vista doesnt use the NT kernel. the other one thats wrong is the "Whistler Server", it wasnt called that, it was a totally different OS, so they didnt call it anything "whistler" which is XP's codename
Posted by: Tyler1989
I already know for a fact Vista uses NT code as I have it and use it. I'm sorry this is 100% certain it is NT6.0
I also remember back in the day the old name being Whistler Server but I am not 100% sure on this can anyone else confirm it.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Okay for those that would like the DWM (Glass Effects) Here you go. I have posted this lsewhere and others have gotten success from it.
Well i was able to get the DWM effects while using the nVidia 78.01 drivers. At first the DWM didnt work but i went into the registry and found that a registry key had changed between the 2 drivers. I changed the registry key to the beta settings and Viola DWM effects on non beta drivers. The registry should look like this to have DWM effects...
**Warning messing with the Registry can have adverse effects on your system try at your own risk**
[code]Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\DWM]
"UseAlternateButtons"=dword:00000000
"Blur"=dword:00000001
"Animations"=dword:00000001
"Glass"=dword:00000001
"AnimationsShiftKey"=dword:00000001
"EnableMachineCheck"=dword:00000000[/code]
Not in that exact order but you get the idea. Just make sure to restart after you do the change and they work just fine. I have heard from a few that have tried it on non supported cards (unlike mine which is but i decided not to use the nVidia beta drivers) that this in fact does work. So all of you who want to see the glass effects make sure to back up your registry BEFORE you do this and check it out. IT should work for you too! Here is a screen shot to show you. Also forgot to mention this takes care of the display freezing problems i was having. I havent had my screen freeze at all!
[url=http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dwmexample18yk.jpg][img]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4692/dwmexample18yk.th.jpg[/img][/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
So that only works on Nvidia but may work on other Cards?
Posted by: Makaveli213
I know others that have done it with ATI. The only graphics its hasnt worked on was a 4 yr ols laptop with integrated graphics.
Posted by: mikee
what about a newer computer with integrated graphics?
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]what about a newer computer with integrated graphics? [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL.
they are SOL
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]what about a newer computer with integrated graphics? [/B][/QUOTE]
The only thing i can say is to try. I doubt that it will work but it might. You just never know until you try.
Posted by: Dmon
I Cannot wait , so whens the release date 2006 <MONTH ?>
Posted by: Makaveli213
They havent said a definate date yet. They only say 4th quater of 2006. That can be Oct, Nov or Dec.
Posted by: mikee
really I heard it was gonna be the 3rd quarter.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
ok, 3rd/4th quarter 2006, that means 1st, 2nd quarter 2007.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]ok, 3rd/4th quarter 2006, that means 1st, 2nd quarter 2007. [/B][/QUOTE]
Lol ya they have been putting vista off for so long already because it was originally supposed to come out in 2004.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
well with computers this happens all too much.
Posted by: Makaveli213
The last news i heard was 4th Quater. That was about the same time fo the Beta 1 release. But I think Wayne is correct with his 1st or 2nd Quater of 07 remark.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Dmon Vista's official date is 2007 with an unknown month right now. These is a final version that will be shipped in 2006 Q4 but it will not have WinFS, Search Features, The Game Shut down resource feature, and more I'm not sure on it all.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE]but it will not have WinFS, Search Features, The Game Shut down resource feature, and more I'm not sure on it all.[/QUOTE]
Are these features coming in a service pack or somethin?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Not at all that is the OS alone. It was decided back in late 2004/ early 2005that there would be a stripped down 2006 and a full 2007 version.
Posted by: Makaveli213
They pushed WinFS back past Vista. Now they are saying ti will be released with it? Why must they contrdict themselves all the time.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i hope it is included.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I have no clue I always thought they planned to ship a version with it and a version without it beats me.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Last i herad they had announced that WinFS was not gonna be included with Vista. It was pushed back neyond "Codename Blackcomb" and they were not sure of the release of WinFS. Then they came out with the Beta to everones surprize. Since the Beta they havent announced what the plans are now. But i would double check all your sources on this one. I dont think WinFS is going to be included at all on Vista.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Not on 2006 but on the 2007 one yes. Anyways yeah I'll do some digging.
Posted by: brady
I just got the Vista DVD last night.
I will install it tonight and post with screen shots and
install information.
Posted by: mikee
I found this vista theme on the internet. It doesn't need any additional software to use it looks like this
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8342/4883vista20067dl.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
It said the zip file was too large to attach to this message.
Posted by: nitestick
sorry if i'm going over old points but there is no way i could have read all 29 pages of this thread. personally i think m$ is continually going in the wrong direction with development. costs and requirements keep getting higher, i mean what the **** are they thinking with these aesthetics. what are we supposed to play games with if it takes a 7800gtx just to view the freakin desktop (exaggeration acknowledged)!!!! progress in my mind should mean that as the OS develops so does its efficiency. i think the goal for vista should be that it can run reasonably on a pIII. correct me and flame away if i'm wrong. from what i've seen and heard it can't be quite the revolution M$'s hype machine makes it out as.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nitestick [/i]
[B]sorry if i'm going over old points but there is no way i could have read all 29 pages of this thread. personally i think m$ is continually going in the wrong direction with development. costs and requirements keep getting higher, i mean what the **** are they thinking with these aesthetics. what are we supposed to play games with if it takes a 7800gtx just to view the freakin desktop (exaggeration acknowledged)!!!! progress in my mind should mean that as the OS develops so does its efficiency. i think the goal for vista should be that it can run reasonably on a pIII. correct me and flame away if i'm wrong. from what i've seen and heard it can't be quite the revolution M$'s hype machine makes it out as. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ya I think it should too but u'd still need one **** of a video card.
Posted by: Tyler1989
mikee I hate to say it but there are better ones out htere that even have transparency. Andi s that IE I see you using :p !
Posted by: mikee
do the ones that have transparency need extra software to use?
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
I heard somebody talking about the DRM Rumors as fact.
I didn't think it was true because it would undo EVERYTHING SP2 does.
Also the whole DRM thing is just illogical and make Vista more unuseable than ME.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MichiyoYoshiku [/i]
[B]I heard somebody talking about the DRM Rumors as fact.
I didn't think it was true because it would undo EVERYTHING SP2 does.
Also the whole DRM thing is just illogical and make Vista more unuseable than ME. [/B][/QUOTE]
what are you talking about? what does digital right management (DRM) that applies to WMA files, has to do with vista?
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
Somebody told me EVERYTHING in Vista from a .TXT file to things on line to your Word Documents will have DRM.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MichiyoYoshiku [/i]
[B]Somebody told me EVERYTHING in Vista from a .TXT file to things on line to your Word Documents will have DRM. [/B][/QUOTE]
that sound believable with the direction that this country is heading. I won't use it if it does.
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
Yeah but not very logical.
it would render the OS more useless than ME.
Plus people just wouldn't stand for it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thats not true and there are no articles to support that. MS is more "open" to certian things they were once against for example look at the built in DVD ripper in Vista. DRM must be activated by the software developer/producer otherwise you will notice no difference.
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
This same person told me firefox or any non IE Browser won't work in Vista.
So many Rumors created to take Microsoft down.
What's next? the XBOX 360 is the Beast? (360 Drop the Zero 36, 3 6's 666)
Speaking of the XBOX 360 Vista and the XBOX 360 will be able to talk to each other via Wifi, I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if it was mentioned before, Apologies if it was.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Again in my time using Beta 1 I think I remember using Fire Fox. I would wish to test this but I've moved back to XP to avoid the troubles that come with any Beta.
In fact I'm almost positive that I've used FF on Vista and MS cannot do that as I recall a law of that say you must have fair competition. I do know however that FF did not work in the 4000 alpha series due to bad coding but IE also couldn't even start properly without crashing in that build. I'm not positive but I'd like to call that false also. This friend is he just anti-MS or has he tried Vista before he made these judgements.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MichiyoYoshiku [/i]
[B]This same person told me firefox or any non IE Browser won't work in Vista.
So many Rumors created to take Microsoft down.
What's next? the XBOX 360 is the Beast? (360 Drop the Zero 36, 3 6's 666)
Speaking of the XBOX 360 Vista and the XBOX 360 will be able to talk to each other via Wifi, I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if it was mentioned before, Apologies if it was. [/B][/QUOTE]
This is totally incorrect as i use Firefox 1.0.7, Firefox 1.5 Beta, Deer Park Alpha 2, Opera 8.5 all within my Vista Build 5219 which is the most current oneout. As for the rest of your statements tell you "friend" he needs to wake up. DRM has nothing to do with what he says it does. DRM is at the hardware level to control only certain media. Like you video card controling what you view on your screen. It has nothing to do with a .txt file. Vista is far more advanced that ME would ever thing of being. Your friend has no clue on what he is trying to say about Vista. I have been following the DRM development very closly since i dont want to have to pay $1000 for a monitor just so i can play a game. Need to learn the difference between a hardware control that will allow certain permission (like a firewall) to perform certain tasks. He wants you to think that Vista will be using the Big Brother metod to control what you do. Where everything is mapped and sent to M$ so they can waych your every step and its all a conspiracy. Sorry M$ doesnt have enough people or time to watch 450 million people that use their software and try to control what they do.
Of course that just my 2 cents dont ahve to like it.
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
I do think Vista will be another ME.
This same person said that Search Engines will "Scan your hard drive and delete any software that does..." Forgot what something to do with file conversion.
And IE 7 will block google
and yes he did mention the big Brother thing "Homeland security will require every website to register with them"
This guy is 45, Hates his job and studders. So I do take what he says with a grain of salt. I kinda feel bad for him. And people at my church are VERY Anti Microsoft.
yet most of the people my age there own XBOXes....go figure
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
how is Vista going to be the next ME. dude Vista is for IT professionals its much more complex then ME. We really can't tell for sure yet beacuse its still in its beta1 right now. beta2 is suppost to come out in december somone told me.. tyler i think. so i guess everyone at your church either A) has linux or B) uses macs.... man if you know how to run a OS properly there arent any problems i have never had major issues with M$ OS'...
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
true.
I don't know if Microsoft can do any better than 2000 or XP pro. Plus Vista doesn't look like that much of a leap over XP. I was expecting a totally new interface Like the leap from 3.1 to 95. (wow 10 years already)
Like I said the weird thing about my church is nobody has a PS2 they all have XBOXes.....they're anti microsoft but have XBOXes?
Personally, I think 3.1 was Microsoft's best OS. I'd love to have somebody take 3.1 and program USB Support and all the goodies we're used to into 3.1 Like that'll happen.
I'm still waiting for the huge monster Leap like 3.1 to 95.
and nobody at my church has a Mac or Linux.
If anybody has a reason to hate Microsoft it's me. in the last 3 months we've had to reinstall ME twice. After the last reinstall it doesn't even realize the DVD Drive is there.
but yeah, and it's not like Macs are any better, OS IX anybody?
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
have you thought about upgrading maybe??
Posted by: Tyler1989
This friend is make believe and I'm willing to bet he is you yourself. I'm sorry to say this but you have told [b]4 lies already[/b] concerning Vista already take your anti MS bias somewhere else. This is about a OS not a video game system and what a church thinks doesn't tie into profesionals who have tested it. I'm willing to bet very few people in church have used Vista since I doubt they are IT Pros. Also I use IE 7 pall it doesn't block google the only big group with power to block google was the PRC (China) for 1 week. I'm sick of your lies.
That said I wrap it up with saying Vista is not the uber copyrighted DRM system like people are saying in fact you will probably never even notice it. MS is changing there ways they have a DVD ripper built in. Please do not say it is another ME when you have not tried it for yourself. When you use it then pass your judgements.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
owned :)
Posted by: Tyler1989
It is one thing to post stuff but to post stuff in attempts to make a product look bad by telling lies is something else.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MichiyoYoshiku [/i]
[B]I do think Vista will be another ME.
This same person said that Search Engines will "Scan your hard drive and delete any software that does..." Forgot what something to do with file conversion.
And IE 7 will block google
and yes he did mention the big Brother thing "Homeland security will require every website to register with them"
This guy is 45, Hates his job and studders. So I do take what he says with a grain of salt. I kinda feel bad for him. And people at my church are VERY Anti Microsoft.
yet most of the people my age there own XBOXes....go figure [/B][/QUOTE]
Well again this is totally inaccurate. I have used the search engins on Vista and it has NEVER deleted any files included the Vista ISO that i had searched for. As far as the websites registering..umm they have to in the first place. You have to register a wensite to get it on a domain wheter it be .com, .org, .edu, .gov any of them. Ever your precious Apple and Linux websites had to register. So apparently they have no idea how the internet really works. Any one can find out who a website is registered to .
As for IE7 blocking google. Nope. I have used Google so many times in Vista with my IE7 i lost count already. I have not found 1 single website that i cant access with IE7.
So in closing i will have to agree with Tyler and say that if you dont like M$ that is fine. But dont try and spread lies when i am testing the OS right now. I know what it can and cant do. Here is some proof too.
[URL=http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=matrix19cp.jpg][IMG]http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6171/matrix19cp.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
There is a screen shot of me in Vista running Opera. So that just proves that you have stated 2 lies. I will show you IE7 in google if you wish.
As for you not liking M$ maybe because you are using the worst OS that they have created. Even M$ has acknolowedged this. Maybe if you take osme time and upgrade to XP you would see that ME is nothing. It sux is the worst way possible. I have used XP for 3 years now and have had very few problems that were not created by me.
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
Never said I didn't like Microsoft, Gateway, Yes, the Ram they put in the system we bought from them is no longer made thus if we upgrade to XP it's $600 200 For XP Pro and you do the math on the Ram.
I was just stating that I have every reason to but don't, I am after all a Proud XBOX and Dreamcast owner 2 Consoles that, RUN ON WINDOWS.
That screen shot eased my fears about Vista, That looks freakin Awesome.
The Register with Homeland Security thing, I forgot to mention that when you register as he claims, something is put in your registry and you can't delete cookies OR ELSE!
He has so many out there claims about where tech is going, I think he deserves his own thread.
Posted by: Tyler1989
You base your conclusion on a simple picture. Stop your lies in fact since you spread 5 lies don't even post here anymore. Did you ever hear of regedit you very well can remove things from the registry. I think this friend is you and I'm sick of it he doesn't deserve his own thread because all his info is BS. Now that my rant is over lets look at the WinFS searching. It doesn't delete any of your files all it does is create a "virtual folder" that essentially makes a shortcut to every file on your computer containing a certian file type.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
that's so cool...
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
woah, Somebody's ****ed.
I am not Anti-Microsoft, I was just sharing some BS I heard yesterday.
I wanted to comfirm it wasn't true. So I came here.
I aplogize for any misunderstandings.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Then I am the one who needs to aplogize. I thought you where telling us these things as fact. Honestly don't believe a thing this friend of yours says to you anymore.
Posted by: MichiyoYoshiku
It's ok, He was presenting them as fact, Thankfully he's wrong.
Some of his claims are laughable. outside of windows. But yeah, that's another thread.
So what's up with these 7 versions of Vista anyway? And why 7 versions?
Posted by: furtivefelon
windows is following in the footsteps of linux?? trying to suit everyone's needs.. Just to make everyone's life harder in choosing..
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
that's a good idea. but what make the different versions of linux so different ( i really don't know anything about it besides the name)
Posted by: mikee
funny vista desktop background
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1471/hastalavista13kw.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Posted by: Tyler1989
For linux some suck more than others but generally they are all based on the aclaimed "pure" linux.
As for the backround all I can say is "No......."
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
lol yeah.. my thoughts exactly
Posted by: quixotic115
So the second part of Vista needs the new Pentium D or AMD Athlon 64 in order to run it but the first part doesn't?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I don't know where you heard that it should run fine on any 3.0 Ghz Hyper Thread and it works fine on my ordinary 2.40 Ghz no hyper threading processor.
Posted by: quixotic115
I thought that the new windows vista ran on 64 bit processor. That's what a lot of ppl told me. So that means anyone with pentium 4 can run vista. that's good...i thought i had to get a 64 bit comp.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by quixotic115 [/i]
[B]I thought that the new windows vista ran on 64 bit processor. That's what a lot of ppl told me. So that means anyone with pentium 4 can run vista. that's good...i thought i had to get a 64 bit comp. [/B][/QUOTE]
what the big deal? you can now go 64 bit for a little over 200.00. it cost me 500.00 back in april-may (mobo-processor) of this year
Posted by: quixotic115
well i heard that XP cannot use the new processors to their full potential so it's kind of a waste (i was thinking of getting an HP Media Center) but if it's not going to affect the speed tremendously as advertised and whatnot, then what's the point? Also I have an HP computer so it's not like I made it myself so I wouldn't be able to install a new processor.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by quixotic115 [/i]
[B]well i heard that XP cannot use the new processors to their full potential so it's kind of a waste (i was thinking of getting an HP Media Center) but if it's not going to affect the speed tremendously as advertised and whatnot, then what's the point? Also I have an HP computer so it's not like I made it myself so I wouldn't be able to install a new processor. [/B][/QUOTE]
that what we are here for. all you need to do was buy a new case with the mobo and processor.
eventual the software will catch up with the processor. it was like that with hyperthreading.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
and dual core and 64 bit
Posted by: The General
wow, its like windows xp but grey, and ugly, with wide, blank side bars that look annoying... i will never use windows again.
Posted by: The General
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]This is totally incorrect as i use Firefox 1.0.7, Firefox 1.5 Beta, Deer Park Alpha 2, Opera 8.5 all within my Vista Build 5219 which is the most current oneout. As for the rest of your statements tell you "friend" he needs to wake up. DRM has nothing to do with what he says it does. DRM is at the hardware level to control only certain media. Like you video card controling what you view on your screen. It has nothing to do with a .txt file. Vista is far more advanced that ME would ever thing of being. Your friend has no clue on what he is trying to say about Vista. I have been following the DRM development very closly since i dont want to have to pay $1000 for a monitor just so i can play a game. Need to learn the difference between a hardware control that will allow certain permission (like a firewall) to perform certain tasks. He wants you to think that Vista will be using the Big Brother metod to control what you do. Where everything is mapped and sent to M$ so they can waych your every step and its all a conspiracy. Sorry M$ doesnt have enough people or time to watch 450 million people that use their software and try to control what they do.
Of course that just my 2 cents dont ahve to like it. [/B][/QUOTE]
WOW. you couldnt be more wrong. digital rights management is purely software.
i dont even know where to begin ... like ... i never thought anyone would say something like that so i dont know what else to say.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Itys just to bad that M$ has announced that they are not leaving it up to the software for DRM. They are taking to the hardware level for Vista. That is why i made that statement. Vista is using DRM right down to the hardware level. That is why if you dont have the right Vista will not display your image on your Monitor (along with the fact that not many of us have the $1,000 Monitor that is needed for this) . DRM is also controlled by Software but for Vista purposes it is all on the hardware level that they are talking about. They do not wish to leave it up to the software developers to comply with their wishes so they are doing it all themselves. I am sorry i didnt make myself totally clear on that statement.
Here is one article that talks about it...[URL=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5844071.html]ZDNet[/URL]
[URL=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5844393.html]Another[/URL]
[URL=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5843808.html]Yet Another[/URL]
So you see it wasnt just out ot the air that i made that statement. It was based on other articles that have stated that Vista will be hardware based controlled not only software.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Hm well I'd like to say your all wrong.....
You all are complaining that DRM is this evil thing that will not even let you play MP3s. While in fact I've used every vista build out there exept 5219 and there are no signs of this DRM at a end user level and I can say you will hardelly even notice it at all. DRM is not going to change anything at the current time. Thats from experiance and I have yet to read a Perfessional article saying it will have some noticeable effects all I have read was articles written by 17 year old piraters that go something like this
"soo yeh Windows VI won't even let you use P2P or listen to mp3s it sucks a$$ don't buy it"
Posted by: Makaveli213
Tyler the reason you dont see DRM yet is cause it is not in the Betas. It will be in the RC and the final version. They are still in Development. It isnt available in either Beta 1 nor build 5219. That would be why you dont see it yet. I have listened to all my MP3's and watched all my movies so far with 5219 with no problem.
As for your last comment apparently you didnt read any of the 3 articles i posted. They are all by well respected people not 17 yr olds. They are some of the industries best. I know its not Paul T. but live with it.
So maybe that will explain to you more about DRM since you dont seem to get the fact that its nto in Vista yet. I dont understand how you can say such a thing but yet not know yourself that it isnt in Vista.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Makaveli I'm not the biggest fan of Thurrot though he is a good source for news his ratings are questionable. Anyways I recall you posting a link from a site called "The register" I have found their sources to be very biased. Though I haven't been reading up on it as much as I should but still from what I read it will not be a big deal please post your three links. I only see one source.
Posted by: EricB
[url]http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,122738,00.asp[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
I have never used the register. I dont even know what that is. You are mistaken me for someone else on that one Tyler. Yes i did only have one source. But dont you think 3 Articles (even from 1 source) all talking about the same thing is a good amount? Ohhh i forgot if it isnt all all over the internet it cant be true. Everyone and their brother has to know about it. Come on.
Thanks Eric for putting that articel up. I read that in my PC World mag just today. I wasnt sure if it was on the net yet.
Posted by: The General
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Itys just to bad that M$ has announced that they are not leaving it up to the software for DRM. They are taking to the hardware level for Vista. That is why i made that statement. Vista is using DRM right down to the hardware level. That is why if you dont have the right Vista will not display your image on your Monitor (along with the fact that not many of us have the $1,000 Monitor that is needed for this) . DRM is also controlled by Software but for Vista purposes it is all on the hardware level that they are talking about. They do not wish to leave it up to the software developers to comply with their wishes so they are doing it all themselves. I am sorry i didnt make myself totally clear on that statement.
Here is one article that talks about it...[URL=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5844071.html]ZDNet[/URL]
[URL=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5844393.html]Another[/URL]
[URL=http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5843808.html]Yet Another[/URL]
So you see it wasnt just out ot the air that i made that statement. It was based on other articles that have stated that Vista will be hardware based controlled not only software. [/B][/QUOTE]
are you saying that the performance decrease (lack of visual graphics) caused by your deprecated hardware is DRM? what?
Posted by: The General
my god, i didnt read that article before.... maybe this will be a turning point in the transition away from microsoft.
i cant wait to see what happens, especially since it doesnt effect me. :)
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]I have never used the register. I dont even know what that is. You are mistaken me for someone else on that one Tyler. Yes i did only have one source. But dont you think 3 Articles (even from 1 source) all talking about the same thing is a good amount? Ohhh i forgot if it isnt all all over the internet it cant be true. Everyone and their brother has to know about it. Come on.
Thanks Eric for putting that articel up. I read that in my PC World mag just today. I wasnt sure if it was on the net yet. [/B][/QUOTE]
I had just read it, too. I read your statement this morning then 15 minute later I got my mail.
Posted by: Tyler1989
The new October build for Vista has been leaked/pirated already. MSDN can't get it yet I think. It has Media Player 11.
Posted by: mikee
how can someone pirate it if it isn't even at msdn yet?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Actually i have read all of this and it isnt leaked just screen shots are out right now. There is no download available for this yet. Build 5231 is the current build shots that are out. The IDX build is supposed to be released next week. I know this cause Chris123NT is on a couple of the forums that i am on. This has been discussed already.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well that would have to mean that a microsoft official has pirated it perhaps one on the development team? I don't know.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Actually i have read all of this and it isnt leaked just screen shots are out right now. There is no download available for this yet. Build 5231 is the current build shots that are out. The IDX build is supposed to be released next week. I know this cause Chris123NT is on a couple of the forums that i am on. This has been discussed already. [/B][/QUOTE]
WHere can you view the screenshots?
Posted by: Makaveli213
[URL=http://neowin.net/comments.php?id=30941&category=main]NeoWin[/URL] try looking here. I know they have it up on their site.
Posted by: mikee
Basically the only things I see new in this build is the new windows media player and ie looks a little bit better.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yeah thats about it. They are finally gonna show WMP11 (even though it says 10) and they are going into IE7 Beta 2 now. That is the Major updates for this one. Other than that i dont know off hand. I dont have it so i cant tell you what other updates there are.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i dont think the people at microsoft will like people on the dev team releasing vista on file sharing networks.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
and you can add widgets to panther and xp with konfabulator, which is now free thanks to Yahoo.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Basically the only things I see new in this build is the new windows media player and ie looks a little bit better. [/B][/QUOTE]
I find myself repeating this every two threads or so. You cannot judge a product by "pretty pictures".
Posted by: Tankhead02
Will I like it better than WIndows XP? IS it the same? Compatitble software?
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tankhead02 [/i]
[B]Will I like it better than WIndows XP? IS it the same? Compatitble software? [/B][/QUOTE]
Hm only you would know if you like it more than XP.... But yes it's newer and better and more secure. Software will be compatible with everything XP is including 64 and 32 bit if you have a 64 bit PC. Hardware compatibility is a whole other game where drivers must be signed by microsoft.
Posted by: maroon1
I looked for the screenshots for IE7, it looks the same as mozilla firefox
anyway is IE7 beta1 better or firefox for internet browsing ??
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maroon1 [/i]
[B]I looked for the screenshots for IE7, it looks the same as mozilla firefox
anyway is IE7 beta1 better or firefox for internet browsing ?? [/B][/QUOTE]
DVD+R is better
Posted by: maroon1
lol dvd+r
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]DVD+R is better [/B][/QUOTE]
Wrong thread but I know what one you intended to post in. Anyways -R has better bitsetting. +R is trully only good for the cheap Players where it is mistaken for -ROM most now will see it as +R so what is so great about it?
Posted by: EricB
actually bitsetting was design for DVD+R first.
you have dvd rom (udf1.02) with almost universal compatiblity and dvd video (udf 1.50) for newer player and for data you have packet writing (udf 2.00) and mt rainer (udf 2.01). the last that I checked (2-3 years ago) the latter 2 didn't even work with -R although that might be changed now.
this was the original bitsetting program. It change the game of dvd writing forever. before this it was hit or miss whether your dvd played in your dvd player. actually instant cd/dvd was first. but they didn't use the word bitsetting
[url]http://www.dvdinfopro.com/[/url]
my point being IE and FF both work now. one is not necessary better now (due to FF coming out. IE finally fix it's jack up engine with IE7). I like FF better because of customization. I also don't trust MS. it shouldn't have took another browser coming out for them to fix their plumbing
Posted by: waynejkruse10
[QUOTE]Wrong thread but I know what one you intended to post in. Anyways -R has better bitsetting. +R is trully only good for the cheap Players where it is mistaken for -ROM most now will see it as +R so what is so great about it?[/QUOTE]
My burner can burn to +r -r +rw -rw or whatever so next time i might get some -r media because its a bit cheaper.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Then you have a great burner my burner will only read -r. What is your brand and model? I've got a Pioneer 104 DVD-RW
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Then you have a great burner my burner will only read -r. What is your brand and model? I've got a Pioneer 104 DVD-RW [/B][/QUOTE]
I haev a NEC. It reads and writes to both +/- R/RW. I have had no issues with any DVD i try to use with mine. It came pre-installed on my Dell machine. On my other machine i use a Lite-On which can do it all also. Had that one for over 2 years now and it works without fail.
As far as the browsers go. Firefox is still edging out IE7 just a bit. Have to wait and see what IE7 Beta 2 looks like with the new build of Vista this month. I have seen the screenshots of IE7 newest build and it looks better than it originally was. Have to wait and see. Should only be another week before it is released.:D
Posted by: EricB
I wonder if this email is real, since the release is next week. I have been leary of msdn email since I got that virus
Edit. Nevermind upon more reading, I realize that it isn't real
Posted by: waynejkruse10
mine is sum samsung one.
Posted by: maroon1
i don't like IE7 beta1 because it is not good for yahoo, FF much better.
anyway did anyone try Netscape 8??, is it a good browser??
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maroon1 [/i]
[B]i don't like IE7 beta1 because it is not good for yahoo, FF much better.
anyway did anyone try Netscape 8??, is it a good browser?? [/B][/QUOTE]
it a combo FF/IE browser it use both engine. if a site isn't considered a safe site, it will browse it with the FF part. if it is consider safe it will browse it with the IE part.
I don't like the slow initial load up or the green colors
Posted by: Tyler1989
How can you make such a judgement when you don't use Vista your sig say XP SP2?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Tyler they have a IE7 Beta for XP. I have used it a few times. Not as nice as the Vista version but at least it has tabbed browsing and such.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Do they now I had no clue.
Posted by: EricB
I have IE7 on xp. it is such a improvement over the old one that I don't talk about IE anymore. I still like FF better
Posted by: mikee
is ie7 compatible with the programs that use ie like outlook, msn messenger etc?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Not MSN messenger. MS will fix this of course but IE7 is still in beta so there is no need to make a new version of MSN yet.
The problem lies with IE7 using a new msn.dll which will not allow the messenger to work when the final product is released you will find no conflict.
Posted by: mikee
can't you just copy the old msn.dll over the new one to fix it?
Posted by: Tyler1989
no....
The old msn.dll is the one causing the conflict. You take the new dll from IE and copy it to the messenger replacing the old dll.
Posted by: mikee
o i c
Posted by: Tyler1989
Replace this new one with the old one.
Edit: link removed as I'm working on server security
Posted by: Tyler1989
Windows Vista 5231 is now officially released.
Posted by: brady
its been leaked via torrents for a little more than 2 weeks now.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I don't care anyone who had it before now can't even deny they pirated it because of that fact alone. Now it is officially released and on technet and msdn.
Posted by: brady
Ohhh, your talking about "real" versions for dev's ?
I don't see it... do you have to pay for it ?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Of course you do they can't just hand them out. But it's ok I guess because the msdn packadge you get Visual Studio free, Free OS's, and more. It's like buying everything for about the price of 1.5 items. It's only about a little more than when XP was released with a $300 price tag so think of it as for paying a little more you get any OS you want, all the licenses you want, all the software you want (MS software), and all the beta's you want. I found that a good deal.
Posted by: brady
Did you get it yourself ?
I have to wait another month before we start testing Vista in a Test.Dev environment. I would like to get a "non-pirated" version of this prior to working on it.
I saw the MSDN subscriptions costing about $500.00 but I am not about to spend that.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yeah it's expensive when you look at it that way but it's not for vista. Here are just a few that I've personally got from msdn and what I think it's worth I'm not sure on the actual price line.
Windows 95B .......... $25
Windows 98SE ........ $30
Windows Me ............ $50
Windows NT ............. $50
Windows 2K ............. $100
Win XP home & Pro... $100/150=$250
Win Server 2003 Enterprise .......... $1000-2000???
WIndows Vista pre release ...... $80
MSDN July 2005 Libraries ......... $10
Visual Studio Profesional .2003/2005......... $1200
MS Virtual PC $39.99-140???
And there is so much more that I haven't even checked into.
When you do the math choosing the cheapest of prices on the list you just saved $2334.99
Posted by: waynejkruse10
with MSDN, do you get legit versions of all OS's?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yes you do. And you can get official serial keys at the click of a link from their webpage.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
and how much does that cost for that package?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Waynejkruse I can't be sure but it's safe to assume any subscription level that allows you to download the OS allows you to call up the OS keys online so my guess is MSDN Operating Systems and up.So It could be anywhere from $2,800-700. For pricing check here.
Edit: Sorry this is the correct link
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/subscribers/default.aspx[/url].
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
for the 500 dollar package you get all the OSs....
* Technical content
* Guaranteed online support
* Phone incident support (2)
* Microsoft operating systems (limited use rights)
so why pay 2000 bucks tyler?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thats incorrect check again. That is for an upgrade over a previous version if you are getting it brand new it should be $700 for the OS packadge.
Some reasons for going to pro for example is so you can get some good Server OS like 2000 and 2003. You also get Visual Studio a impressive peice of software that costs $1200 alone so it's a good deal if your a developer which is trully what MSDN is targeting as their audiance.
From there on in the higher up is generally just better versions of the software.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
is that a yearly subscription?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yes there is a MSDN Pro subscription. Check the link I gave a few posts ago.
Posted by: mikee
Does anyone know what the final windows vista product will cost?
Posted by: Tyler1989
It's too early to say in my opinion.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
tyler was it you who said they would make it cheap so more people would get it?
Posted by: Tyler1989
No I origanally predicted a price tag of $300 but like I said it's still to early to predict an acurate price.
Posted by: brady
Tyler :
This could possibly be a stupid question. Do they give out just personal copies of the OS ? Are the all OEM's ? Can you get a Corp version ?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I honestly don't know. It may be possible to get a corp version but so far everything I've got requires activation so they are not corp and are OEM.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bradybnmci [/i]
[B] Can you get a Corp version ? [/B][/QUOTE]
they would never do that for obvious reasons.
Posted by: Tyler1989
And those reasons are?
Posted by: EricB
I take you wasn't around when the xp pro corp version with the serial
H2HYJ-28PQM-6HGFG-CWMMD-V2C62 ended up on 6 million peoples computers and this was way before bittorrent.
you can't go to windows update with this copy of xp either, anymore. they will lock your computer (strip it most of it's useful functions)
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bradybnmci [/i]
[B]Tyler :
This could possibly be a stupid question. Do they give out just personal copies of the OS ? Are the all OEM's ? Can you get a Corp version ? [/B][/QUOTE]
As of right now there are no personal copies of Vista out there they are all basically Corp versions (Sorry Eric but it true). When Vista is released there will be OEM and the 7 other version available i can almost guarentee it. The reason being is that you will get an OEM with a bought computer from Dell, HP, Compaq and such. It will Basically be like a XP Home. If you want a different version you can buy them. I dont think Computer Manufacturers want to have their customers decide what version they want. With 7 different versions being released that is just too much choice for people. Plus not everyone will know what version they need or want. Also the reason i say that all version of Vista are basically Corp editions right now is because you use the same serial for all version right now. Since more than the slated 500,000 people have Vista you might as well say it is a Corp version.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]As of right now there are no personal copies of Vista out there they are all basically Corp versions (Sorry Eric but it true). When Vista is released there will be OEM and the 7 other version available i can almost guarentee it. The reason being is that you will get an OEM with a bought computer from Dell, HP, Compaq and such. It will Basically be like a XP Home. If you want a different version you can buy them. I dont think Computer Manufacturers want to have their customers decide what version they want. With 7 different versions being released that is just too much choice for people. Plus not everyone will know what version they need or want. Also the reason i say that all version of Vista are basically Corp editions right now is because you use the same serial for all version right now. Since more than the slated 500,000 people have Vista you might as well say it is a Corp version. [/B][/QUOTE]
yes but you have to activate them. that old copy of xp didn't require any activation. the wrong guy go his hands on that copy and it spreaded like wildfire
Posted by: Makaveli213
True. But since M$ released the serial to news sites sucj as Neowin and others, it can be activated no matter what. The same serial has been used for 5112, 5219 and 5231. I have used the same serial on all 3 and had no problems with activation. The funny thing is its the same serial that they released to thsoe news sites. So it might as well have been handed out to the wrong guy. Since it has spread like wild fire. I dont know of anyone who has Vista that doesnt have it legit now, even if they got it thru illlegal means.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]True. But since M$ released the serial to news sites sucj as Neowin and others, it can be activated no matter what. The same serial has been used for 5112, 5219 and 5231. I have used the same serial on all 3 and had no problems with activation. The funny thing is its the same serial that they released to thsoe news sites. So it might as well have been handed out to the wrong guy. Since it has spread like wild fire. I dont know of anyone who has Vista that doesnt have it legit now, even if they got it thru illlegal means. [/B][/QUOTE]
true. they are using cracks to get around activation
Posted by: Makaveli213
No. If you use the serial that M$ gave you dont have to. they are all Genuine. I know a few people that have said this to me on other forums. I know it sounds odd but its true.
Posted by: mikee
lol some people at my school are sayin that the final vista should run on a 500mhz computer!!!
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well Longhorn (note that is is not called Vista) Server Beta 1 currently out performs Windows Server 2003 on the same hardware.
I'd also like to say Vista does require activation.
Posted by: mikee
will the professional versions require activation too?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I think it's common knowladge that all versions of anything require activation besides corp which is not used in any home/very very few.
Though I could be wrong am I?
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Well Longhorn (note that is is not called Vista) Server Beta 1 currently out performs Windows Server 2003 on the same hardware.
I'd also like to say Vista does require activation. [/B][/QUOTE]
Vista from build 5112 until 5231 does require activation. On build 5112 it is done by Start>Run>Licenseui.exe and on 5219 and 5231 it is done by Start>Run>SLUI.exe. That will bring up the activation for Vista.
Posted by: Warez Monster
On 5112, after 3 days or so, activation would come up then when I went to click it, it was gone. It done this every other day and I was never able to activate it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Um Mak I said "does require activation" did you read it wrong?
Posted by: Makaveli213
I edited it so i didnt say you were wonrg. Sorry on that one. I didnt read it right. I just woke up. But for everyone who wants to know thats how you activate Vista.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thats fine. Though what you said in the other thread has caused a good deal of confusion. Thurrot claims the sidebar is back and you say it isn't. How does one get the sidebar?
Posted by: Warez Monster
I know what Mak said, I'm telling you what I saw. What happens if you dont activate?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I don't know I always activate I'd assume it locks you out just like XP.
Posted by: little_emmynem
Can anyone give me list of Downloads that are only available to the customers running Genuine Windows Software?
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]I know what Mak said, I'm telling you what I saw. What happens if you dont activate? [/B][/QUOTE]
Vista wont lock down. But alot of the functions of Vista become unuseable. I did have a problem with my Beta 1 (5112) serial and had to get a new one but my time ran out before i got it. I could do only basic functions. Surf web, look thru my computer. But aside from that i couldnt do much more. After i got my good serial i had to format and reinstall.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by little_emmynem [/i]
[B]Can anyone give me list of Downloads that are only available to the customers running Genuine Windows Software? [/B][/QUOTE]
Like what kind of list. You can search [URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Popular.aspx?displaylang=en]here[/URL] and see the list of popular downloads from the M$ site. Aside from that i cant help.
Posted by: probirusa
This info is posted in another forum but wanted to [i]spam you folks, too![/i]
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[SNIPPED]
PS: This is not a scam…and I'm not trying to send you spam. I just thought you might like to know how I got it. If you're not interested, I'm sorry for bothering you.
[i][If not trying to send spam, then why apologize? Maybe because you are trying to spam, succeeded, bothered people, etc.][/i]
Posted by: mikee
spam!!!
Posted by: waynejkruse10
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/waynejkruse10/coffee.jpg[/IMG]
This is the third message ive seen from this guy, somebody ban him please
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'll be adding that image to my collection.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
same. i love the one with the soldier
Posted by: Makaveli213
Good image there.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
yeah, somebody post the one with the soldier, i want it for my photobucket account.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I have great news for everyone! :D
Tested on Vista 5231
I cannot be sure on this but it does apear that Microsoft no longer requires the drivers for any hardware to be digitally signed by them. This is a great relief to me and I'm sure to many others.
The warning on digitally signed drivers is removed
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/King_Tyler_1989/signeddriver.png[/IMG]
On the downside you still need a 64 meg video card to get transparencies.
As a suprise to many MS did include P2P but it is not funtional nore can it be installed through the Windows components.
It is shown but not funtional
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/King_Tyler_1989/p2p.png[/IMG]
There is no option to install P2P
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/King_Tyler_1989/components.png[/IMG]
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I have great news for everyone! :D
Tested on Vista 5231
I cannot be sure on this but it does apear that Microsoft no longer requires the drivers for any hardware to be digitally signed by them. This is a great relief to me and I'm sure to many others.
The warning on digitally signed drivers is removed
On the downside you still need a 64 meg video card to get transparencies.
Edit: It looks like I may have been wrong about P2P on Vista I'll update the post when I finish exploring this new build. [/B][/QUOTE]
what the **** are you talking about? you misconstrue every that everybody say. somebody mention that longhorn had it in the add/remove windows components,
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by killians45 [/i]
[B]Oh, as far as not finding P2P in longhorn, from my understanding it is not installed by default.
[i]add it via Add/Remove Programs --> Add/Remove Windows Components. Install the Peer-to-Peer component. That will add the p2p.dll needed for running the samples.[/i]
just so ya know... as far as P2P, I stick with bit torrent. Mostly for obscure or no longer publised materials, however I AM guilty of downloading stuff that isn't, but not often. [/B][/QUOTE]
so now you are using that statement against vista. it's in control panel (classic view) in vista
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]What were you saying?
[IMG]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/vance43211/P2P.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by: Tyler1989
Hey Eric I said it did have P2P even before I edited my post as you just happened to quote. And from what I can read (please fix grammer) you are saying that Vista still requires it to be signed from MS. Please show me where because all the warnings are gone and in group policies it is no longer enforced.
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Edit:
I'm willing to be proved wrong but till you can show pictures or give step by step instructions on how to "sucessfully" install it I will stick by my statment. It isn't completed in this build plain and simple.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Hey Eric I said it did have P2P even before I edited my post as you just happened to quote. And from what I can read (please fix grammer) you are saying that Vista still requires it to be signed from MS. Please show me where because all the warnings are gone and in group policies it is no longer enforced. [/B][/QUOTE]
here we go again, you tell me to fix grammar, yet you don't understand anything that you read from people with perfect english or grammar.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]you are saying that Vista still requires it to be signed from MS. [/B][/QUOTE]
Now where did I say that?
I actually said that disabling it in vista was easy, when you ask a how to do it. get the facts straight
Posted by: Amd2800
Actually the requirements are wrong i run it look at my sig
Posted by: Tyler1989
Stay consistant Eric don't change the subject. I said I can't read that post due to grammer. Now I ask you how can one get P2P to work? It doesn't work by default and cannot be added in Windows Components. I'm very interested in this so please show me I'm wrong how do you install it?
May we have differnet versions of 5231? Warez says the technet and MSDN version have a newer build number than the one leaked. Maybe they didn't finish the p2p setup and add components setup for the official version.
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/King_Tyler_1989/build_5231_official.png[/IMG]
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AMD I'm sure that it only requires a 64 meg video card not 256. Are you talking about Vista's transparency features?
Posted by: Amd2800
i thought u said you cant get pictures of Vista 5048
[url]http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-40,GGLG:en&q=Vista%205048&sa=N&tab=wi[/url]
Posted by: Amd2800
[quote]Stay consistant Eric don't change the subject. I said I can't read that post due to grammer. Now I ask you how can one get P2P to work? It doesn't work by default and cannot be added in Windows Components. I'm very interested in this so please show me I'm wrong how do you install it?
May we have differnet versions of 5231? Warez says the technet and MSDN version have a newer build number than the one leaked. Maybe they didn't finish the p2p setup and add components setup for the official version.
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AMD I'm sure that it only requires a 64 meg video card not 256. Are you talking about Vista's transparency features?[/quote]
No i mean tyler that u dont need a 3GHZ machine to run it and 2gb ram i run it on a 2ghz amd and 768mb
Posted by: Tyler1989
I agree with you 100%. I'm running Vista 5231 right now with 2.4Ghz Processor, 480 megs of RAM, 32 meg video card. I can run Vista fine exept for transparencies. Currently Longhorn Server outperforms Server 2003 on the same hardware. I don't know if Vista can outperform XP on the same hardware though. MS has some high requirements but as always you can run the OS below the minimum requirments.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Stay consistant Eric don't change the subject. I said I can't read that post due to grammer. Now I ask you how can one get P2P to work? It doesn't work by default and cannot be added in Windows Components. I'm very interested in this so please show me I'm wrong how do you install it?
May we have differnet versions of 5231? Warez says the technet and MSDN version have a newer build number than the one leaked. Maybe they didn't finish the p2p setup and add components setup for the official version.
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/King_Tyler_1989/build_5231_official.png[/IMG]
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AMD I'm sure that it only requires a 64 meg video card not 256. Are you talking about Vista's transparency features? [/B][/QUOTE]
wow
you don't understand anything that you read here.
start from the beginning. read everything.
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74543&perpage=15&pagenumber=1[/url]
stop asking questions. it's been covered already. I tried to explain the situation to you above, but you don't seem to understand it. that ain't my problem. One of your biggest problems here is, that you always take and twist around the words that people use here to suit your needs.
somehow you will always take a different meaning than what the person actually said
what that consistent or grammered enough 4 U?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Eric you can calm down anytime time now. I made that thread so yes I did read it. Too bad for you I already showed in a photo that you cannot install it through windows components. The software is not completed and cannot be installed. Now when you say it can you should back that up.
What don't you understand it is in Vista but does not work and cannot be installed. I've asked you to tell me how youinstalled it several times but you failed to answer because it is not possible.
Take a look you shown this image yourself. It is in Vista.
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What you did not show is how you claimed you installed it. Windows Components has no option to install P2P. Before you jump to conclusions based on a picture you found follow through and make sure it actually works.
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Posted by: mikee
did you take those screenshots from your own computer?
Posted by: Tyler1989
yeah these were taken from my PC. I am using Vista, I recall Eric saying he is using MCE2005. If you can't test your predictions don't post them. But I am done with this petty argument.
Posted by: mikee
do you know if there are there going to be different vista style themes?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Windows Legacy / Windows Classic
Areo (without transparency if your vid card is less than 64 megs)
Areo
Areo Glass
Areo Diamond
That is what we know from the beta releases but we might see Xps theme but thats just a guess and cannot be confirmed.
Here you can see the Areo Style but it doesn't include the transparencies because my video card cannot support it.
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Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Eric you can calm down anytime time now. I made that thread so yes I did read it. Too bad for you I already showed in a photo that you cannot install it through windows components. The software is not completed and cannot be installed. Now when you say it can you should back that up.
What don't you understand it is in Vista but does not work and cannot be installed. I've asked you to tell me how youinstalled it several times but you failed to answer because it is not possible.
Take a look you shown this image yourself. It is in Vista.
What you did not show is how you claimed you installed it. Windows Components has no option to install P2P. Before you jump to conclusions based on a picture you found follow through and make sure it actually works.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Instead on keep making your senseless claims tyler, reread the last topic in its entirety.
If you have bothered to read it, you will see that Makaveli213 told you that peer to peer is built in to vista, [SIZE=4]But that it isn't working right now[/SIZE] . You then called him a liar. I then post a picture of the peer to peer icon that vista contains in control panel. Killian45 then make a comment about longhorn (Longhorn tyler, Not Vista) having P2P in the add/remove windows components and that you need to enable it.
Now somehow in all of this mess you have twisted everybody words around to your liking and that is how this mess has got created. then you have the nerve to argue about it and tell somebody to fix their grammar, instead rereading the topic, so you can clarify the issue.
I understand everything. you are the one that don't. I never said those things that you keep saying that I said.
I never install the P2P icon on vista, tyler. it was already there
Please reread the topic so you can stop contradicting yourself. You keep making a fool of yourself by posting back smart-alec remarks to me without checking the statements that we actually made.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I wasn't able to test the CPT September build (5112) version of Vista. I know that the October build no longer is requiring or stating that digitally signed drivers will be required in the future. But is this new to the October build only or was this in the September build.
Also do you think this could change. I think it could but then I also think that Microsoft has to have some brains. They would not want people rioting in the streets when they learned their new $800 computer cannot display properly and they cannot listen to music.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I wasn't able to test the CPT September build (5112) version of Vista. I know that the October build no longer is requiring or stating that digitally signed drivers will be required in the future. But is this new to the October build only or was this in the September build.
Also do you think this could change. I think it could but then I also think that Microsoft has to have some brains. They would not want people rioting in the streets when they learned their new $800 computer cannot display properly and they cannot listen to music. [/B][/QUOTE]
Okay obviously you know nothing about Vista. The CTP build of Sept? There was no such thing. CTP Build just came around this month (Oct). The Sept build you are refering to (5112) is BETA 1 that was released back on JULY 27th. The Sept build you are trying to talk about is build 5219 which is the PDC build.
Since this topic about P2P was brought up before the Oct build (5231) was officially released by M$ it would have to have ben the Sept build (5219) that contained it. I am not positive if Beta 1 (5112) contained it or not.
No offense but since you do not test Vista why is this thread named after you? You do not test the current build nor have you tested Vista since it was released. You stated so youself "I wasn't able to test the CPT September build (5112) version of Vista." BTW that was Beta 1. Ijust dont understand how someone who doesnt have the most current build can TRY to talk aobut what M$ is doing with their software? Do you even have the Oct CTP that was released Mon 10/17/05? I do and i am running it now.
As for the drivers i said it once and i will state it again. They will not force companies to digitally sign their drivers. Some people (Myself included) will run Vista on Legacy machines. Not all the hardware will have drivers that are digitally signed. There is no way that M$ can force every manufactorer to DS ALL of their products to work with Vista. That is just way to much. Just look at how many Sound cards there are out there, between onboard, PCI, PCI Express. Not to mention Video Cards, Modems, TVR, NICs, and the rest. It wont happen. Not even M$ has that much clout to take on all of the computer industry. Of course i could be wrong on this. Lord knows i have been wrong my fair share of times. But i dont se this happening.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mak that was one typing mistake, Pardon me from it. As for the signed drivers have you forgotten about the 3000, 4000. and early 5000 builds. They all said that you would need digitally signed drivers for the final product or it would not work at all. I did not test build 5219 (September CPT) which may have taken that warning out. Beta 1 (5112) did have that warning. I have tested build 5231 (October CPT) and the warning is removed.
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You don't see this happening and I don't either. But that is what the warning said and that is why I am asking. Now is the removal of the warning new to the October CPT or was it removed in the September CPT? Anyways after a bit of reading I've found they are still implementing the digitally signed driver requirments in a sense. They have scalled it back alot (what haven't they scalled back). Read up on it here. [url]http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlogo/drvsign/dqs.mspx[/url] but it would be good to know if it was September or October they changed this.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Mak that was one typing mistake, Pardon me from it. As for the signed drivers have you forgotten about the 3000, 4000. and early 5000 builds. They all said that you would need digitally signed drivers for the final product or it would not work at all. I did not test build 5219 (September CPT) which may have taken that warning out. Beta 1 (5112) did have that warning. I have tested build 5231 (October CPT) and the warning is removed.
You don't see this happening and I don't either. But that is what the warning said and that is why I am asking. Now is the removal of the warning new to the October CPT or was it removed in the September CPT? Anyways after a bit of reading I've found they are still implementing the digitally signed driver requirments in a sense. They have scalled it back alot (what haven't they scalled back). Read up on it here. [/B][/QUOTE]
No Tyler i didnt forget about the 3000, 4000, 5000 builds. I was able to get drivers that were not digitally signed to install. Same goes with my Beta 1 (5112). My sound card (SB Audigy 2 ZS) is does not have drivers and i use the kX Project drivers which are not digitally signed and have used then since build 3683.
Also it is not the CPT it is the CTP, Consumer Techniligy Preview. They are starting that now with the monthly builds.(OCT) I have not had any problems with drivers on any of my hardware installed. As for your question about if it was changed in build 5219 or if it is this new build 5231, i didnt notice anything like that in build 5219.
Just one question. Do you still think P2P is going to die out now that M$ has it inplemented in Vista?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well the Comsumer "Techniligy" Preview was the first to remove the warning. I know you used the early builds but yet you said "it allowed me to install unsigned drivers". Do you know that the warning actually said "unsigned drivers will be allowed in this build but will not work on the FINAL version of Vista"? They no longer have that warning because they have cut down that new feature. [url]http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlogo/drvsign/dqs.mspx[/url] it has become DRS.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Tyler i did not get that exact error. The error i always get is the same one i get in XP. "The drivers you are about to install are not digitally signed by Microsoft are you sure you want to continue?" That is the only error message i ever remember seeing when it comes to driver install.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Now I see how a we can hold very different views. I'm not sure why you didn't get this warning message but it is interesting. I'm not about to go back to previous builds but when I return to my XP SP2 backup I'll post pictures of the warning from my Virtual Machine. Sorry for the confusion I'll probably go back to XP in 2-3 weeks.
Posted by: EricB
email I got from object desktop
## Desktop Gadgets: October ##
One up and coming form of software that Stardock is keeping an eye on are
called gadgets. Gadgets aren't programs in the conventional sense, they're
mini-programs. But they're also not widgets in that gadgets don't require
a separate program to enable them. They have all the advantages of widgets
(small in size, lower memory use, visually neat) but none of the negatives.
Last month, Microsoft announced their intention to support gadgets in
Windows Vista natively. Stardock has set up a site called
DesktopGadgets.com which is designed to be a hub for gadget development.
While Windows Vista isn't here yet, Stardock DesktopX Pro does allow the
creation of gadgets.
On DesktopGadgets.com developers can submit their gadgets to give away or
name their own price. This month, we look at a few highlights:
Our first gadget of note is called DeskNotes. It's much like having sticky
notes right on your desktop. The free version of it is as good as any
widget desktop sticky notes. But the premium version of it, which is only
a few bucks, can display weather, news, to-do lists, alarms, and more!
The second-gadget is strictly for fun but has become a mainstay at the
office - the Magi 8-Ball which now takes all difficult decisions out of
management's hands! It's a must-have for anyone who ever has to make any
important decisions...
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well i have a few gadgets from there. Not to shabby. But i doubt that no matter how good they can be that anyone will pay for them since you can find them free soemwhere.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I'll give you all my little hint about MSDN. I would suggest you all buy MSDN Pro. I think it's 899 USD. But with institution, state, and other tax reductions you can get it for 400 USD.... [/B][/QUOTE]
Well if you want everyone to have a msdn Account then i suggest you share your account username n password or buy us all one ..Fair Deal i think
Posted by: Tyler1989
But you don't need my credentials you pirated Vista remember. At least thats what you said in a thread why would you nened MSDN.
Posted by: Amd2800
I do as i want Vista Beta 2
Posted by: Tyler1989
Read me mind. AMD just trust me though stay away from Vista it's good and all but still unstable just wait for the final product to be released. I'm sticking with my XP for now and probably will till Vista is released. The only times I'm running Vista is on my MS Virtual PC.
Also sorry for the accidental MSN blocking.
Posted by: Amd2800
Ok and it aint a problem hope we can get on tyler
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Read me mind. AMD just trust me though stay away from Vista it's good and all but still unstable just wait for the final product to be released. I'm sticking with my XP for now and probably will till Vista is released. The only times I'm running Vista is on my MS Virtual PC.
Also sorry for the accidental MSN blocking. [/B][/QUOTE]
Gee could this be why it is called Beta Software?!? You know this long before you installed it. It is written in the EULA about how it is beta software and such. I thought that was the point of Beta Software was to find the bugs and get them worked out.
I know we have had many disagreements and all. I mean this in the nicest way possible but this thread has no business having your name on it. You have just stated that you dont plan on using the software and therefor can not make an accurate judgement on where the software is going. Also you can not correctly answer someones questions if you dont use the software they are asking about. I dont mean to be disrespectful but that is the truth. If i ask a question about software i at least hope they use it so they can give an accurate answer.
Personally i dont have any issues running Beta software. It is buggy and can be a pain but thats what makes it more enjoyable. You get the sense of pride when you get it working to your liking. But this is all just my point of view.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mak it's easy to jump on a virtual PC and help if there is a question that I don't know the answer too. Instead of trying to decredit me lets actually help members than fight among ourselves.
AMD I had my lists set to accept from the people on my list and block all others sorry about that it should work now.
Posted by: Amd2800
Ive just tried to boot my vista drive up n its coorupt dunno how but i aint bothered
Posted by: Tyler1989
corrupt you say.... Try the Vista repair option on the Install CD. I recall there being an option to do so but I'm not sure if it's working yet I'll check if it works in an hour or so.
Posted by: Amd2800
ok ..but i have vista 1 5112
Posted by: Tyler1989
It may work on Beta 1 never know till you try. I will see where I through my Beta 1 DVD if I can but I don't think 5231 and 5112 are that different at least for the Install DVD.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Did you activate Vista 5112? How long ago did you install it? After 14 days Vista will shut down so to speak and not allow boot ups if you dont activate it with a legit key.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I don't mean to bash you AMD but I know you said you got it through a torrent. Did you also find a bootleg key. Either I'm willing to guess your CD was blacklisted and MS somehow shut you down or you never activated as Mak said.
Posted by: Amd2800
No i get the blue screen of death when i goto boot i was using it yesterday and i did get a key a legit one from a MS Beta Tester
Posted by: Makaveli213
That key might still have been blacklisted. I know that every Beta Tester was issued new keys for Build 5231 as the other keys were blacklisted for 5112 and 5219 since it was leaked. So i am willing to guess that they deactivated everybody with that key now. I would ask your buddy if the key was blacklisted or not. I am willing to bet that it was. It probably eiterh began with GKFV7 or maybe Q8WDJ. If so both of those were blacklisted and are not able to be used anymore. Need to find a different key in order to use Vista now. Even 5112 and 5219.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]No i get the blue screen of death when i goto boot i was using it yesterday and i did get a key a legit one from a MS Beta Tester but my key starts TCP8W [/B][/QUOTE]
Posted by: EricB
I heard through the grapevine that they had a thing that make windows think that it's alway booting into safe mode so if you have that right key or not it doesn't make a difference.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes Eric i know what you are talking aobut with that. That mainly tricks the activation so it wont happen. But the problem is that you cant get it to work after Vista has been locked down. AMD i think i know the key you are refering to and if i am not mistaken that one was blacklisted also. I think that was one of the first keys that M$ used with Vista. Double check your source just to be sure.
Posted by: Amd2800
No it aint Locked down ..when i load up to vista it dont even reach desktop it will give me a blue screen of death
Posted by: Makaveli213
I understand what you are saying by that. The onlyoption is if you think it aint locked down give me the error code that shows up on the BSOD and i will see what i can come up with for an answer. It should have some kinda stop error message. If not then most likely it was blacklisted. I had that issue with Beta 1 once when i forgot to activate it. I can only help if i know the error code.
Posted by: Amd2800
ok give me 30mins and i will post as i have just got bk from school
Posted by: Amd2800
the code is
0x00000024 (0x00190324,0x82bcfdd8,0xc0000102 , 0x00000000)
Posted by: Makaveli213
Alright after a bit of research it is a NTFS file error."This issue can occur if a problem occurred within the Ntfs.sys file. The Ntfs.sys file is the driver file that enables your computer to read and write to NTFS partitions. Damage in the NTFS file system, damaged portions of your hard disk, or damaged SCSI or IDE drivers can also cause this issue."If your system partition is using the NTFS file system, it is possible that the system partition is corrupted and is causing the "stop 0x24" error message.
That is all i caould find. So i think you are stuck trying to re-install Vista.
Posted by: Amd2800
i will try and format the drive damm its a 27GB Drive
Posted by: EricB
use powermax to delete the drive. it will clean any trace of the computer getting locked if that is what happen to it
Posted by: Tyler1989
Would that matter Eric I thought they hardware signatures where sent to MS and then when you activate it they will lock you out if you cheated or they mistook you for cheating.
Posted by: Makaveli213
True that when you activate it does look at your hardware config but it also goes by registry keys also. So if this is a legit key, as it sounds like it is, it wouldnt matter. Since Vista is in beta stages many people have had to format and re-install. There is no limit on how many times you can install Vista. Unlike XP were you get the 3 time max then have the problems with calling M$. I had to re-install Vista 5 times with Beta 1 since it got corrupted or crashed so bad. They wont deactivate it on that aspect. It has more to do now with blacklisted serials than anything else. If you use a blacklisted serial you cant activate but if it is genuine then you can format and install Vista to your hearts content and not have a problem.
Posted by: EricB
now this is hypothetical thinking, but if the computer thinks that it is booting into safe mode everytime, there wouldn't be any need to activate so that they can check
Posted by: Amd2800
i am gonna format the drive when i can be bothered
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]now this is hypothetical thinking, but if the computer thinks that it is booting into safe mode everytime, there wouldn't be any need to activate so that they can check [/B][/QUOTE]
That is correct. But that is only if you use the "special" tool to do so. Also this "tool" only works for Beta 1 Build 5112. Build 5219 and Build 5231 are both different with activation. In all truth all 3 builds have different activation. There has only been 1 "tool" discovered to stop activation. with build 5112. For 5219 and 5231 the "tool" doesnt work correctly so it will still try to activate.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mak I've formatted and re used my key on the same hardware 8 times if not more and never had a problem. What keys are affected by the 3 times only rule? OEM, Corp, MSDN, Vender (sony, dell, etc)
Posted by: mikee
does the 3 time rule apply to xp if you baught it by itself from a store?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Okay Tyler and mikee it should technically effect all version of XP. OEM, and Full. Corp is no longer used since like Eric said it was leaked and over 3 million people had it. MSDN only really uses beta OS's not full version. RC, Beta, and the likes. Vender is OEM. If you bought a full copy from the store it should technically onyl allow 3 instales. I do know what you are saying that you have formatted and it never asks. Same here. I have formatted at least a dozen if not more times and have never had that issue. But it is supposted to be there. I installed XP Home on my other computer, full version which i had bought 3 years ago before i got Pro. And i had to call M$ to get a serial to activate it since the hardware config was different than the one i originally activated it with. So if you use the same system i doubt it happens. But if you try it on 3 different systems you will find that after that you have to activate it. At least that is from my experience. Who knows if you guys will come across it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mak I am using the full version of XP Pro and I got the serial key for it via MSDN. I also got all the previous windows that are the final/retail version from MSDN along with their serial keys. It is not by any means only Beta OSs.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well MSDN subscribers have more advantages than i am aware of then. But when you pay that much money for it you better be able to get them. But the other OS's are out of circulation so those dont really matter. XP and 2000 are the only OS's M$ has in circulation right now. ME, 98, and 95 are all out of circulation and no longer supported so those i dont count. Either way this should still apply with the OS's that require activation. 95 and 98 didnt have it as far as i remember.
Posted by: Amd2800
The OSES that didnt need activating are Windows 95 ,98 ,98se ,ME ,2000 it was only XP that needs activation
Posted by: Makaveli213
AMD I just got confirmation that the TCP8W key is blacklisted. This was one of the oldest and original keys that has been used with Longhorn/Vista. It has been around since build 5048(Longhorn) up thru Vista build 5219. So that could be the reason why your Vista now BSOD. So no offense but your source gave you a bad key. It will allow an install but not activation.
Posted by: Amd2800
NO i get BLue Screen of death i cant login to Desktop...and i didnt activate
Posted by: Makaveli213
You dont seem to understand. Because of the activation it caused the BSOD. Vista tries to automatically activate upon finish of install. Even if you tell it not to do so it will try to activate after the "Grace" period of 14 days automatically. So yes you were able to use Vista one day then it tried to auto activate and say that it was a blacklisted serial and shut you down. I have seen it happen with Vista (as it happened to me before i got my new serial). I know we have been back and forth with this but just listen to what i am trying to say. IT could be, not saying that it is, that when it tried to auto activate it caused your crash which you are dealing with now. You are still able to run XP correct? Therefor i dont thing it has to do with the NTFS error since XP would have crashed also. I think that M$ caused the NTFS crash on the system by deactivating Vista which in case would cause the NTFS file system error and that would lead to your BSOD before you get to the desktop.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]You dont seem to understand. Because of the activation it caused the BSOD. Vista tries to automatically activate upon finish of install. Even if you tell it not to do so it will try to activate after the "Grace" period of 14 days automatically. So yes you were able to use Vista one day then it tried to auto activate and say that it was a blacklisted serial and shut you down. I have seen it happen with Vista (as it happened to me before i got my new serial). I know we have been back and forth with this but just listen to what i am trying to say. IT could be, not saying that it is, that when it tried to auto activate it caused your crash which you are dealing with now. You are still able to run XP correct? Therefor i dont thing it has to do with the NTFS error since XP would have crashed also. I think that M$ caused the NTFS crash on the system by deactivating Vista which in case would cause the NTFS file system error and that would lead to your BSOD before you get to the desktop. [/B][/QUOTE]
so true. they use do that with xp. but that became a bis mess as they had accidently lock up a lot of legit keys and temporary shut down a lot of businesses. it was august 2002, 2003 when they did it. they blamed it a virus so they would escape liability
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Well MSDN subscribers have more advantages than i am aware of then. But when you pay that much money for it you better be able to get them. But the other OS's are out of circulation so those dont really matter. XP and 2000 are the only OS's M$ has in circulation right now. ME, 98, and 95 are all out of circulation and no longer supported so those i dont count. Either way this should still apply with the OS's that require activation. 95 and 98 didnt have it as far as i remember. [/B][/QUOTE]
I have windows 95 and 98 serial keys windows 95 was the first to implement the serial key system.
You also get the full blown server operating systems as well.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes Tyler Windows 95 was the first to implment the serial. It was a 10 digit serial. I know this, I was saying that the first OS to need ACTIVATION not a serial. AMD Answered that question when he pointed out that XP was the first M$ OS that needed activation.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Sorry I read the post wrong I guess.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Yes Tyler Windows 95 was the first to implment the serial. It was a 10 digit serial. I know this, I was saying that the first OS to need ACTIVATION not a serial. AMD Answered that question when he pointed out that XP was the first M$ OS that needed activation. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks for confirming this for me
Posted by: utrnewsletter
LOL longhorn is eye candy looks like its gunna be pretty good though but security is a major issue
Posted by: Tyler1989
newsletter it does have security and I'm willing to say that it's the most secure Windows OS out there even in it's Beta form. You can't judge it's security by looking at the pictures.
But I agree good eye candy like you said and good security make an uber OS. You also get some of the greatest performance on this OS. The server version is already outperforming Server 2003 on the same hardware while the ultra version does require alittle more than XP now but perhaps that will change who knows.
Posted by: Amd2800
Yeppp has anyone got any Vista Beta 1 keys they can pm me or email me on [email/Your not having my email now [/email]
Posted by: Tyler1989
Um no, and congrats you've set yourself up for a lifetime of spam.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Security updates for Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 and Internet Explorer in Windows Vista Beta 1 are now available from the Windows Vista/IE 7 beta downloads page on the Connect site. Direct links to these updates are also provided below. These security updates resolve a vulnerability in IE 7 Beta 1 and IE in Windows Vista Beta 1 that has already been addressed for released/supported versions of Internet Explorer by Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-052.
These security updates apply only to the official Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 and Windows Vista Beta 1 builds (build version 5112 for each). You do not need to install this update if you have already installed one of the more recent Windows Vista builds that are available from the Windows Vista/IE 7 beta downloads page on the Connect site (the latest is build 5231). More specific details on the issue and fix, as well as detailed installation instructions, can be found in the release notes that are included in the downloads for these security updates.
Note: Both updates requre you to be an official tester with access to connect.microsoft.com.
Vista
[URL=https://connect.microsoft.com/downloads/downloadDetails.aspx?siteid=4&downloadid=285]Here [/URL]
IE 7
[URL=https://connect.microsoft.com/downloads/downloadDetails.aspx?siteid=4&downloadid=286]Here[/URL]
Posted by: waynejkruse10
[quote]Yeppp has anyone got any Vista Beta 1 keys they can pm me or email me on[/quote]
PM Me.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Um no, and congrats you've set yourself up for a lifetime of spam. [/B][/QUOTE]
No i will just create a new NTL Address
Posted by: mikee
vista beta 2 is being delayed from dec 7 to sometime in January or February 2006.
full article
[url]http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/48408/48408.html[/url]
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
:(!!!!
Posted by: Tyler1989
Good it will only be that much more stable and compatible then.
Posted by: Makaveli213
That articel is a bunch of s**t!! I got it from my sources at M$ that Vista Beta 2 is on schedule for the Dec release date. Thurrott is talking out the side of his mouth again.
Along with the fact that the Office 12 Beta begins in 2-3 weeks.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Thurrot is a good source no one can deny that but I'll also agree with you mak that some of his articals are BS look at his reviews on the Win95 Beta.
Posted by: maroon1
i love this pic
[IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/FATAL1TY_FAN/6.jpg[/IMG]
Posted by: Warez Monster
With the release of a new user interface in Windows Vista and Office 12, Microsoft will also update the font that both products use for the first time in eight years. The company says the new font is designed to take advantage of ClearType, and is more modern than its predecessors.
Dubbed "Segoe UI," the font is more humanistic and less computer-like than it's predecessor, Tahoma. Microsoft also relied on a decade of research from its Typography unit on making fonts easier to read and scan on screen.
Segoe has taken two years to develop, according to Microsoft. Office 12 will primarily use the 8pt. version of the font, while Windows itself will use the 9pt. size.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'd also like to add that it seems the November build of Vista CTP has been out for awhile (Nov 17). I haven't updated yet has anyone got the new one?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well The Nov CTP was just released to Technet on the 20th. It hasnt gone to MSDN or to testers YET. Build 5259 is this months number. It has a new GUI and a few other additions.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'll check after thanksgiving maybe microsoft will give us something to be thankfull for.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well i know that as of 5pm yesterday that nothing was posted on MSDN or on Connect for the testers. Since M$ is down for the holiday it will be Monday at the earliest that something will be done for this.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I doubt it but at this point in time I'm getting inpatient as are alot of other people I'm willing to bet. Do you think the November CTP will be the return of the sidebar without tweaking?
Posted by: Makaveli213
From all the screenshots from the TechNet people i know, No. The Sidebar is still not back in the beta build available. Also the Build that was released 5259 has a major bug that was found by the TechNet guys and if M$ decides to release this build as the NovCTP they will have to issue a warning with it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Please do fill me in what is this bug.
Posted by: mikee
here's a screenshot from the november ctp. I don't really like the circle start button, i think it's kinda ugly.
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/7915/vista5259245bn.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
there fixed it
Posted by: maroon1
please mikee next time post pic in jpg format, so the pic can load faster for me on my dial up connection
Posted by: mikee
o oops sorry i was kinda in a hurry with that.
Posted by: Tyler1989
maroon jpg is larger than PNG noramlly and PNG is superior to jpg. But yes that image is bloated mike edit your post and leave a link to the image please.
Posted by: EricB
just go to imageshack and resize the picture
Posted by: Warez Monster
According to a TAP group member, there are major bugs that have been found in build 5259 of Windows Vista by TAP testers.
As a result, Microsoft is working on compiling a new build. At this stage, Build 5262 is likely to be released on either Monday or Tuesday. It is also possible that Microsoft will release build 5259 "as is" on Monday or Tuesday, but advise people with specific configurations to be aware of the major issues.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well as long as it doesn't harm the hardware I have no problems with it you can expect Betas to be buggy but if the release canidates are buggy then you have a problem.
Posted by: Warez Monster
yes but its buggy buggy.......wonder if mak has it yet......
Posted by: Tyler1989
I suppose I wonder if the driver support has improved but more importantly since they are developing both 32 and 64 bit side by side if the 64 bit when released will not be buggy like Windows XP x64.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well to answer some questions asked since i was gone.
1. No i havent gotten a copy of this build, yet.
2. No one has stated what the major bug is. They say that there is one and a warning should be issued if this build is released but never give any info on it.
3. The word on the net so far is that 5259 will be the build released on Tuesday. Build 5262 is in production but hasnt gotten thru internal testing so most likely 5259 will be your Nov CTP. Just 2 days short of Dec when Beta 2 is slated to launch durning.
Posted by: SpoiledBoar
Vista Video
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/files/pdc2005-clarity.wmv[/url]
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
that toolbar feature is sick... also the windows key+spacebard is nice also. sweet video !
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuitarFreak1857 [/i]
[B]that toolbar feature is sick... also the windows key+spacebard is nice also. sweet video ! [/B][/QUOTE]
Ya but u'd need one **** of a video card to do that animation stuff.
Posted by: Amd2800
nope u dont ...i run it wiv a 256mb gfx card
Posted by: mikee
what is the minimum graphics memory needed to do that stuff?
Posted by: Amd2800
Well ur GFX Card will suck at it
Posted by: mikee
no kidding
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well the Beta requirement from M$ are P4 3GHZ or higher, 1GB DDR RAM, 256MB Video. But that doesnt meant that is al you have to use. I have seen users use less that that and still run Vista effectively. It does lag but it runs. I have gotten those effects to work with my system but i have a beefy system.
Posted by: mikee
for me vista ran ok if the glass was turned off.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Ya but u'd need one **** of a video card to do that animation stuff. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mikee no you don't all that is needed is a 64 meg video card even the GeForce FX 5200, GeForce PCX can run Vista with [B]all features[/B] info straight from MS and Thurrot.
Edit: Hey Mak you claim the official is higher than what I stated I got mine from MS where did you get your source info?
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/entpguid.mspx[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Mikee no you don't all that is needed is a 64 meg video card even the GeForce FX 5200, GeForce PCX can run Vista with [B]all features[/B] info straight from MS and Thurrot.
Edit: Hey Mak you claim the official is higher than what I stated I got mine from MS where did you get your source info?
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/entpguid.mspx[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
I got mine from various sources. Mine did not come directly from a M$ website. This was a combination of efforts from the M$ people i know and all the testers that i talk to. This is what we all felt was the best system that should be used to test Vista on. As i stated you can run it on less but it will be lagging. With the specs that i put up you can run the system and still run other applications.
Again why do you list Thurrot as a source? He is worthless. Almost everything he has said about Beta 2 and the sidebar have been all wrong. His information is miscontrued and off. He doesnt give you all the correct information just what he "Feels" is happening.
Posted by: Tyler1989
And are we not doing the same?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well all of my information comes from my sources inside M$. They are saying the exact opposite of what Thurrot is saying about Vista. I have read a few of Thurrot's articles and they are going against everything that my sources tell me is coming or going to happen. My sources have been correct over 90% of the time when we tlak and they tell me what is coming up. So that is the information that i share with all the folks here.
Posted by: Warez Monster
MICROSOFT seems to be planning an August release for Vista, despite the fact that it claims that it will not hit the shops until December 2006.
Business Week has received a copy of the internal blog of Vole executive Chris Jones,which said that he will not get his bonus if Vista is not shipped with high quality and with the 'soul intact' by August 31st, 2006.
This means that Vole clearly wants the OS out in time for people to put the operating system under their Crimbo trees. Although we are not sure how much of a Christmas rush there will be for operating systems.
Although it would be better than socks, Vista doesn't really come with that figgy pudding feel for Yuletide gifts.
Jones, who is Corporate Vice President, Windows Core Operating System Program Management, said that if he doesn't make the deadline then it will be a miserable Christmas for him and his family, with no turkey for Tiny Tim.
More at Arstechnica
Posted by: Amd2800
lol ..well they better get it out
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well its official. I have heard from my sources that Nov CTP will NOT be. They didnt want to release the buggy 5259 build so they just put it off totally for this month. They are working on either build 5262 or build 5265 at this time. It was not stated which build. They didnt want to give me that info. Grrr.... but anyways i hope that the Dec CTP will be out soon.
I have also heard that Beta 2 might actually be pushed back till Jan or Feb. That is not confirmed yet but it is being discussed.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft announced in a conference call on Tuesday that no Windows Vista CTP would be released for November, with the development focus shifting to a "quality based schedule, rather than a calendar date one." Instead, a December CTP will be issued before the Christmas holidays.
Amitabh Srivastava, who heads up Microsoft's Windows engineering efforts, explained that the company was endeavoring to finish the code for all Windows Vista features by the end of December, with a feature-complete build of Vista shipping "early next year."
Although Srivastava characterized the Vista development schedule as accelerated, he refused to comment on what the previous roadmap looked like. Officials would also not disclose what new features to expect in the December CTP build, but said many notable additions will have been made since the October CTP.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well I suppose that is good news they finally have all the features included. That means everything we made it half way up hill and it's only working out the bugs now andn ot adding new stuff correct? Will this mean the return of the sidebar I've been waiting ages for that thing. The Beta1 tweak never worked for me.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Ya but u'd need one **** of a video card to do that animation stuff. [/B][/QUOTE]
rofl, did you happen to look at my sig?
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuitarFreak1857 [/i]
[B]rofl, did you happen to look at my sig? [/B][/QUOTE]
no
Posted by: Tyler1989
Still it's uneeded a common 64 meg video card will run Vista full throttle.
Posted by: mikee
o cool then maybe I won't have to upgrade too much to use vista.
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
i wish it was comming out in december still :( :(
Posted by: Tyler1989
I generally say you want to run above the specs but yeah you can "supposidly" run it without limatations. As for the set back I'm all for it if it makes the final product more stable.
Posted by: mikee
if they really wanted to make it stable it wouldn't release until 2008
Posted by: Tyler1989
No need to keep a product in development for over 4 years it's pointless for a 2008 date a 2007 date seems reasonable. I forget how long has it been already?
Posted by: mikee
Well I think it's been in development since 2003 so by time it releases sometime in 2006 it will have been 4 years
Posted by: Makaveli213
ACtually Vista (Longhorn) has only been in development for just under 2 years. The first build was only leaked in 2004. So that would mean that a 2008 release would put it at 4 years but it really only hit high hear this year.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
all this vista business - so many things have been scrapped and unscrapped its difficult to keep track. I wonder how good it will be and if it will be stable?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well since this last build wasnt stable they junked it. They are adding all the goodies now to get most of the final coding done. That will just mean bug hunting and fixing is all that is left. Since this is based on the 2003 core not the XP core it is far most stable. How many hacks of 2003 have we heard of yet? Not many that i can think of.
Posted by: mikee
well atleast it looks cool, but it probably will still get hacked because of all those new features ms is putting in will open it up to vulnerabilities and hackers.
Posted by: Tyler1989
But thats why they reworked the kernal and added the extra protection against unwanted changes.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
this will certainly be cool. But personally i will turn off all the stupid animations and stuff. All i care about is the new features like efficient memory management and searching.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]But thats why they reworked the kernal and added the extra protection against unwanted changes. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes but this is also where they have gone wrong. Now you cant even install a drvier for your stuff, a game, or an application without having to reboot and go into safe mode to get the "Real" Administrator account to be able to do so.
Personally they can kiss my...if they think i am gonna go thru that just to install an application. They are seriously wrong. I dont know wnybody that is willing to go that far to install applications.
I understand why they did it but i think they justwent a little to far right now with that phase of the testing. Need to tone it down just a notch.
Posted by: rlineker
can you get a prebeta version of Vista (longhorn) anywhere legally
Posted by: waynejkruse10
msdn
Posted by: Makaveli213
Do you mean Codename Longhorn? There were all sorts of builds leaked. The earliest ones that were leaked were 3683. Most of the older builds up to and including 4074 dont install anymore. They have reached their timebomb limit. So now you are either going to have to turn back your system clock or just get the newer ones.
As for your question...Wayne is right. MSDN is the only legit way. I dont know if they allow you to get the older versions or not. But that would be it. They are not accepting anymore entries intot he beta testing so that is out. But Beta 2 is supposed to be public and now that that is pushed back to Jan or Feb or who knows might as well wait for that.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mak is that why my keys are not working anymore I cannot install 4047 and 5048.
Also I don't know why anyone wants a pre beta anymore since the first has already been released and there are newer builds than that.
Also mak you mentioned you cannot do anything unless you are the admin. Isn't it just to oposite this time and limated accounts actually are usefull. The protection will prompt you for a password whenever you need to perform an administer based action from what I thought. I think the early release of this feature was even in the October CTP.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft has started talking publicly about "Restart Manager," another of the planned reliability features that the company is baking into Windows Vista.
The technology is designed to update parts of the operating system or applications without having to reboot the entire machine.
There's a bit of additional information on Restart Manager on the Microsoft Developer Network Windows Vista Developer Center.
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/reliability/[/url]
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft is releasing to Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) subscribers a refreshed Beta 1 build of its WinFS code.
Microsoft provided testers with the first Beta 1 build of its next-generation file system at the end of August.
The new build, which the company said it released on Thursday, does not include new features. So what's new? The refreshed WinFS build supports .Net Framework 2.0 and Visual Studio 2005.
Be sure to keep your eyes pinned on this page, I'm sure JCXP will have much more news to come ;)
[url]http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1895872,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Mak is that why my keys are not working anymore I cannot install 4047 and 5048.
Also I don't know why anyone wants a pre beta anymore since the first has already been released and there are newer builds than that.
Also mak you mentioned you cannot do anything unless you are the admin. Isn't it just to oposite this time and limated accounts actually are usefull. The protection will prompt you for a password whenever you need to perform an administer based action from what I thought. I think the early release of this feature was even in the October CTP. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes Tyler i would believe that would be why your keys dont work and you cant install 4074 and 5048. I believe the timebomb for all the older builds before Beta 1 is up and unless you turn back you clock in your BIOS you wont be able to install.
Well with the leaked build of 5259, and with build 5231(that i have installed) you cant do much without being in Safe Mode. I know a few people that have gotten the buggy 5259 and they say that they cant even install drivers. M$ has gotten so strict on what anyone can do even witht he Admin account title.
Even with build 5231 you could do some things. Install software, drivers, and such. But you couldnt edit any major files. I wanted to to soem reg edits to clean up the system and there was nothing i could do. They just dont allow it anymore. I think that is wrong. Limiting what a user can do to their system isnt right. Even if it is protecting the stability of your software. I wanted to make the software better for me. But they are not allowing anything to be done now. I just cant stand that.:mad:
Posted by: Tyler1989
I doubt it will be final after all that was probably to keep their developers from doing stuff they didn't want them to at this point. I doubt a product that MS releases will have they restrictions.
I take it this build was only leaked and not released to technet and msdn as usual.
Posted by: Makaveli213
You are correct. Build 5259 was only released to the TAP community and from what i hear someone at IBM leaked it to the net. It isnt the version that they got. It was a nuked ISO that was leaked and patched. That is why this build is so buggy. It was like the Winmain build of 5231 that was leaked.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I got the October CTP from MSDN what is the difference from the MS version to the leaked one?
Posted by: Makaveli213
The Oct CTP was build 5231 also. there was a leaked version that came out before it was released to MSDN. The Oct CTP had a build date of 10042005 while the leaked version had a build date of 09182005. The leaked version was the winmain while hte one released was the IDX. So yes they were 2 seperate versions of the same build.
The leaked Winmain build was a nuked ISO that someone got thier hands on and manually patched it. It installed but had lots of problems. while the IDX was offically released it didnt have as many problems. It did have a few problems but not as many as the leaked version.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Remember a long time ago when I claimed that Windows Vista will only support signed drivers and if your driver isn't signed it will not work. Well That stirred up a few arguments but this time I actually have a screenshot from Beta 1 (5112). It was removed on the October CTP and I never got the September CTP so I am not sure if it is included on that build.
[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/King_Tyler_1989/signed_driver.png[/IMG]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes i remember seeing that screen. But if i remember you were stating that they could not be installed if they were not digitally signed at all. Even in your screen shot it says "Install Now" or "Dont Install" So that goes to show you that even though the drivers are not digitally signed by M$ you can still install them. That is what i was trying to say. M$ can force everyone to digitally sign all drivers. They can give errors but they have to allow them to install.
Posted by: mikee
Aww man I think vista is going to be the equivilant to a robot and only MS will have the remote to control what it does.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Very true but it also says in bold
It will not work in the shipping version of longhorn.
Doesn't that mean there will be no option to install in the final product?
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Aww man I think vista is going to be the equivilant to a robot and only MS will have the remote to control what it does. [/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly
Posted by: Amd2800
Well tyler thinks he know it all....LMAO>>tyler aint even got MSDN he uses P2p ...
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Very true but it also says in bold
It will not work in the shipping version of longhorn.
Doesn't that mean there will be no option to install in the final product? [/B][/QUOTE]
Well since the shipping version will not be called Longhorn i dont think that will be a problem.:p Remember the name got changed to Windows Vista. Longhorn is just the codename. Also the EULA still says Longhorn. So some changes still have to be made. I dont think that Vista will force you to have digitally signed drivers. Even XP doesnt have that. It gives you the warning but you can still install them.
As for Vista being a robot with M$ holding the remote. Vista will be **** close.:D
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'm still not sure on that topic I guess all we can do is wait for the release canidates / final product and hope.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft have just revealed to those on their Partnership Promotion program, that the Vista December CTP will be build 5268.
Along with this, Microsoft have posted Screenshots and a Video which you can find at AeroXP.
Compared to Build 5259, the build shows a few minor UI changes, and also shows Windows AntiSpyware under its new name - Windows Defender.
Posted by: Tyler1989
What of Windows OneCare they are aprouching a final version soon I think they are at 0.8.2
Posted by: mikee
Has ms said anything about how much the final vista will cost to buy?
Posted by: waynejkruse10
im guessing around the same as how much xp cost when it first came out
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well my OneCare whuch is up to date is at 0.8.0794.38 currently. I just updated this morning when i got home from work.
As for the cost of Vista we dont know as of yet. there has ben talk that it will start as low as $99 USD but nothing has been confirmed yet.
As for the Vista Dec CTP i have new info that says that the Dec CTP will not be build 5268 like previously thought. they are currently in-house building and testing 5270. But that doesnt mean we will get that build. It is believed to be either build 5262 or build 5268 that will be given out. But nothing is know for sure at this time. the only thing that is known is that it wont be released for 2 weeks or so. Right before the XMas holiday hits.
Posted by: mikee
well i'm hopin that the cost will be low.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Don't plan on that unless your buying the home/starter edition.
Posted by: mikee
i"m planning on getting either professional, home premium or ultumite.
Posted by: blake67t
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]If you do not update you will be lost in time. The newest features besides avolon and indigo are Longhorn only, Office 12, New Software. Look There is a new .net framework for Longhorn only new software will use this framework and then all of the 2000 and XP users will be left behind eventually if they wait, wouldn't you want to continue using all that great software. There is no doubt in my mind Win2000 will be discontinued like 95-ME after all it's almost over 5 years old. Office 12 is taking a new step and will only be for Longhorn and higher don't you want microsoft office, sure open office is good but it cannot touch microsoft office. Heck even the piraters can't use this office untill they upgrade. If these requirments stop you from getting longhorn prepair to be left behind.
My mistake XP and Server 2003 will get the .net2.0 in service packs when Longhorn is released but still 2000 will be left behind. [/B][/QUOTE]
==============
Stop telling people they will be left behind. Windows 98 stills works programs. Microsoft is not going to make everyone buy Vista, and then make then by new version of every software they had on XP or priior. They wont do this for a few reasons, lawsuits out the ***, money (they want $ only way to get that is to persue people to buy a product, if they think they have to spend hindreds on new software, they wont upgade the OS.)
Microsoft HAS to make both hardware and software compatible with a new OS. Many lawsuits have kept Microsoft from expanding their monopoly by not allowing them to keep certain software and hardware from working on their OS's.
People:
you will not be left behind if you keep XP. yes you wont have the lastest, but it will still be supported and the most widely used OS for a long time.
Im almost positive they will lower the standards for hardware for Vista, or make a less demanding version, or Dell wouldnt be selling all these 1.8 GHz pc's like they are. I speak from experience, as I am a network techitian as my part time for a 2000+ and 2000+ computer corporation.
dont let him tell you YOU WILL BE BEHIND IN TIME IF YOU DONT UPGRADE, YOU WONT
and in another post, you said that you guess its a good time to build a new system bc of the new system requirements and we should so the same, that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen anyone post. if i just bought a 2000 dollar sysytem and its just under the requirements, i should spend more to fit the need of anew OS? while my computer is top of the line?
lol
Posted by: blake67t
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Well my OneCare whuch is up to date is at 0.8.0794.38 currently. I just updated this morning when i got home from work.
As for the cost of Vista we dont know as of yet. there has ben talk that it will start as low as $99 USD but nothing has been confirmed yet.
As for the Vista Dec CTP i have new info that says that the Dec CTP will not be build 5268 like previously thought. they are currently in-house building and testing 5270. But that doesnt mean we will get that build. It is believed to be either build 5262 or build 5268 that will be given out. But nothing is know for sure at this time. the only thing that is known is that it wont be released for 2 weeks or so. Right before the XMas holiday hits. [/B][/QUOTE]
Vista @ 99 USD, omg what are you thinking? I will bet you a million dollars its much higher than that, XPP isnt even that low.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
they might be introducing a cheaper price to curb the rate of piracy.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by blake67t [/i]
[B]Vista @ 99 USD, omg what are you thinking? I will bet you a million dollars its much higher than that, XPP isnt even that low. [/B][/QUOTE]
I said START at $99 USD. That means the Starter edition will be that much. The Starter Edition will not be readily available as the rest since M$ wants you to spend more $$. So the version compariable to XP Home will be about $150 and upwards. Also XP is that low. I have found XP Pro for $50-$80 depending on the rebates and sales the some webites are offering at the time. Apparently you dont know all the sites to look at to find the best deals.
As for your comments aobut people being left behind. Tyler is right and wrong on that aspect. The new Office "12" that is being designed will NOT run on anything less than 2000. It has been stated as such by the developers. (I know i am an official tester and have asked this question on the newsgroups already) Most of hte new software that M$ is developing: MSN Live Messenger, OneCare Live, Office Live, pretty much anything to do with the new Live.com site will not run on anything less than 2000. M$ doesnt support 98 anymore and therefor are not making the software compatable to run on it. 2000 will not be supported past (i believe) 2007, and XP will not be supported past 2008. M$ is trying to force everyone to update their software. Not saying that they will succeed but they are gonna try to force everyone to update.
M$ doesnt have to make ALL their software compatable with ALL of their OS's. 95 and 98 are now considered abandonware. They are no longer supported and therefor they do not have to make software compatable with it. So if you do decide to run some of the new software you might be left out. I am not saying that everyone should go out and upgrade. Heck i dont even plan on getting Vista till 2008 myself. My point is that in time companies phase out the support and products that work with older software to force people to upgrade to newer versions. It is the same in all fields. Car manufactorer do the same thing. Can you just walk into a store and find parts to a Ford Model T? Dont think so why. Cause it is no longer manufactored.
I also speak from experience. I am a tech supprt person myself. I have built over 3 dozen PC's for people (on my own time) and fully support them. That is along with my job where i fix all the problems that people make for themselves. So in the end the software developers can force a person to upgrade by not supporting older versions of a OS. Just like game developers dont support Linux or OS X heavily.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Old Outdatted data should not be used but yes I still hold the idea you will be left behind. The only supported operating systems out there are currently Server 2003 and XP Windows 2000 was discontinued last summer sometime.
Mak I know what you said was true but it does come as a suprise as Win2K is discontinued.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B] Windows 2000 was discontinued last summer sometime.
[/B][/QUOTE]
at least 20 people showed you links to show that MS changed their postion on that and extended their support on windows 2000, yet you keep saying that 2000 support is discontinued. no, it is not.
Posted by: Tyler1989
So they said it was discontinued then they changed their mind? Do give the link again.
Posted by: EricB
they said that they will extend support for it. enuff people have shown you links saying that
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yes I know about the extend report but it will no longer get any of the software updates. Only small hot fixes from what I read. SP4 Rollup 1.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]I said START at $99 USD. That means the Starter edition will be that much. The Starter Edition will not be readily available as the rest since M$ wants you to spend more $$. So the version compariable to XP Home will be about $150 and upwards. Also XP is that low. I have found XP Pro for $50-$80 depending on the rebates and sales the some webites are offering at the time. Apparently you dont know all the sites to look at to find the best deals.
As for your comments aobut people being left behind. Tyler is right and wrong on that aspect. The new Office "12" that is being designed will NOT run on anything less than 2000. It has been stated as such by the developers. (I know i am an official tester and have asked this question on the newsgroups already) Most of hte new software that M$ is developing: MSN Live Messenger, OneCare Live, Office Live, pretty much anything to do with the new Live.com site will not run on anything less than 2000. M$ doesnt support 98 anymore and therefor are not making the software compatable to run on it. 2000 will not be supported past (i believe) 2007, and XP will not be supported past 2008. M$ is trying to force everyone to update their software. Not saying that they will succeed but they are gonna try to force everyone to update.
M$ doesnt have to make ALL their software compatable with ALL of their OS's. 95 and 98 are now considered abandonware. They are no longer supported and therefor they do not have to make software compatable with it. So if you do decide to run some of the new software you might be left out. I am not saying that everyone should go out and upgrade. Heck i dont even plan on getting Vista till 2008 myself. My point is that in time companies phase out the support and products that work with older software to force people to upgrade to newer versions. It is the same in all fields. Car manufactorer do the same thing. Can you just walk into a store and find parts to a Ford Model T? Dont think so why. Cause it is no longer manufactored.
I also speak from experience. I am a tech supprt person myself. I have built over 3 dozen PC's for people (on my own time) and fully support them. That is along with my job where i fix all the problems that people make for themselves. So in the end the software developers can force a person to upgrade by not supporting older versions of a OS. Just like game developers dont support Linux or OS X heavily. [/B][/QUOTE]
people wont buy it ..they will get it off friends etc they will crack it ..and use it dont say they wont because they will
Posted by: Makaveli213
With the new activation and things that they are doing it is getting tough to just "Get it off friends". I am testing this and everytime it leaks the serial that leaks gets blacklisted ASAP. So if this does happen the serila wont activate and you will only have an OS for 14 days. They are keeping kinda close eye on this OS. This is M$ baby. They cant have what happened with XP happen again.
I am not saying that people wont. I am not saying that there wont be ways around it. I am just saying whith what they are talking about for specs (Right now) and what they are talking aobut for security that it just might not be worth it to upgrade right away.
Eventually everyone will use Vista. Even me. But i wont right after it gets released. To many patches and bugs will be discovered right away. I wil stick with the security of XP for about a year till they work out the kinks of Vista.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
If Vista is going to be cheaper - less people will pirate it. Even if there is amazing security measures to stop pirates - they will always find a way - that is the truth of the matter.
If Vista is well priced (and a decent OS) i will buy it.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]If Vista is going to be cheaper - less people will pirate it. Even if there is amazing security measures to stop pirates - they will always find a way - that is the truth of the matter.
If Vista is well priced (and a decent OS) i will buy it. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is the whole reasoning behind the lower price of Vista. I wont argue about the fact that there will be ways around it. Nor will anything stop pirates. But M$ finally realized that lower the price might prevent people from pirating as much. If the price is low i will buy a copy. As i did with XP when it dropped after a couple years.
Posted by: XFlamez
Good idea huh? Lowering the price will definitely get people to buy them instead of bootlegging them
but im not too sure how well vista will be compare to xp pro.
i guess i'll stay with xp pro until vista becomes more and more useful
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well speaking from a testers point of view. XP Pro doesn thold a candle to Vista Ultimate edition. It incorporates all the things that we love plus more. It haev MCE built right in along with others. So i am not worried about the comparison. I am more worried about the stability. If Vista in the beta stages can be leaked and hacked so much now what will happen when it gets released? That is my main concern.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]With the new activation and things that they are doing it is getting tough to just "Get it off friends". I am testing this and everytime it leaks the serial that leaks gets blacklisted ASAP. So if this does happen the serila wont activate and you will only have an OS for 14 days. They are keeping kinda close eye on this OS. This is M$ baby. They cant have what happened with XP happen again.
I am not saying that people wont. I am not saying that there wont be ways around it. I am just saying whith what they are talking about for specs (Right now) and what they are talking aobut for security that it just might not be worth it to upgrade right away.
Eventually everyone will use Vista. Even me. But i wont right after it gets released. To many patches and bugs will be discovered right away. I wil stick with the security of XP for about a year till they work out the kinks of Vista. [/B][/QUOTE]
People will make Activation Cracks ..i have one for the Vista Beta 1 and been using now for more than 14 days and still working ..dont worry more people will be bootlegging
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes i know about that activation crack. Only problem is it only works for Beta 1. The 3 builds that have been leaked after that it doesnt work for. Build 5219, 5231, and now build 5259 that have all leaked are now only time trials. The activation crack doesnt work on those. No one has figured out where they have placed the activation stuff now. They dont have it in the ususal spots.
So i know what you are saying. But you gotta understand what i am saying. This is the BIGGEST OS release from M$. They can not have any mistakes. They can not allow things like this to happen. They will take what ever steps are necessary to try and stop pirating.
I know that there will be pirating. I know they can not stop it all. I know there will be cracks and hacks. But right now M$ is winning. No one has gotten a crack or hack to work on the 3 builds that have leaked since Beta 1 was cracked. So everyone can bootleg all they want. If you dont have a legit serial now you can not use Vista for more than 14 Days.
Posted by: Amd2800
Wrong people will find a way around it
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well they havent yet. I am not saying that they wont. But at this point in time aside from Beta 1 nothing has worked. I know that after Vista is finished that yes, there will be a workaround found. But that is when it is finished. Right now in the Beta stages they can change it as often as they want. That way it prevents hackers from finding work arounds for all the builds that are leaked.
Posted by: mikee
but can't you just easily get vista off bittorrent?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes the Betas are on torrent sites right now. They are the betas that have been leaked. As of right nwo only Beta 1 (Build 5112) is the only one with a true workaround. Every other one doesnt have one and therefor will only work for 14 days unless you have a legite serial.
Posted by: mikee
don't they have any key generators for it yet?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Nope. No keygens work effectively. Also M$ only has a few key that will activate it right now. Since it is in Beta testing they can control what keys are active and what are not. So a keygen at this point to activate is useless.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Paul Thurrott just posted an article at WindowsITPro, stating that the eagerly-awaited December Community Technical Preview (CTP) build of Windows Vista will be delivered to beta testers on Monday. According to his sources, the CTP is build 5270 (5270.x86fre.winmain_idx03.051212-1830).
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well i dont tahe Thurott seriously. I have it on good sources that it isnt 5270. It is gonna be 5273 or maybe higher. It could be as early as Monday. I know that they were saying 10 days last Sunday for the release period. But it was before the XMas holiday thats for sure.
Posted by: sbcirclepants
so, vista hogs 512mb of ram miniumum? well i have 1.5gb so im fine there but if vista takes 512mb, wat about the programs and games that are running? it will be like i have only a 1gb machine instead of a 1.5gb rig. RIGHT????
Posted by: mikee
I've heard that 512 well be fine for 32bit computers but 64bit will need 1 - 2gb just to run
Posted by: Amd2800
I run it Vista on 768mb and no problems
Posted by: sbcirclepants
lol....most vistas and other os on limewire, bittorent e.t.c. are full of viruses, spyware, and trojans, courtesy of micro$oft :)
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well here I go people I've heard it runs fine on 512 as the requirments say but I've used it on 480 and can say thats more than enough unless you game.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Well here I go people I've heard it runs fine on 512 as the requirments say but I've used it on 480 and can say thats more than enough unless you game. [/B][/QUOTE]
I thought gaming didn't rely alot on ram as long as you have a good gfx card.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well considering right now Vista cant game. It doesnt have DirectX installed correctly to game. Also you cant install DX. Plus Tyler you dont know what the official specs are gonna be when finished. I have seen Vista run on a PII with 128MB RAM. Which is all fine and dandy but with having it be DX10 ONLY compatable when it is finished that will boost the required specs up a bit.
Posted by: mikee
a PII with 128MB RAM??!!?? you gotta be freakin kidding, if you are going to run vista on a system with those specs you will need an awful lot of time on your hands when you use it. I don't think the final windows vista will run that low, right now there is not really a set minimum to run it because its still beta.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes Mikee i did have a lot of time to spare with that trick. I was on Vac for that week. It can be done.
As i said it is just in beta and not dialed down. Also i just found some interesting info out. Some i knew some i didnt.
Beta tester are now given each a unique key. That i knew. But if the key is leaked and used for activation not only is that key leaked but they are also kicked from the beta. So unless someone knows how to hack Vista it will be harder than heck to get it to activate now.
Posted by: mikee
do you think i could run vista on an amd k6-2 500MHZ with 192MB RAM???
Posted by: Makaveli213
Maybe. It would be as slow as a snail in molasses but it oculd work. But to forwarn you Vista does have some issues with installing on AMD chipsets.
Posted by: Tyler1989
No it will not run on my old PC while running a virtual PC it said Vista required a minimum of 256 to run for a recent Build I think it may have been the October CTP.
(Just finished building my new PC yay)
Posted by: mahboobqadri
thankx for nice info
Posted by: Warez Monster
Paul Thurrot has claimed that testers will be in for a great treat today!
The much anticipated December Community Technology Preview (CTP) build is expected to be released to testers tonite, according to Paul's sources the build will be 5270 and hold the build tag of;
(5270.x86fre.winmain_idx03.051212-1830)
All we can do now is wait and hope that this build gets rolled out and Paul's sources wern't wrong!
Keep you're eyes on this page, we'l be sure to update it as soon as more information arises!
Posted by: Juice Daddy
is windows vista useing Internet Explorer 7?
didn't they ripoff firefox tab browseing?
Posted by: Tyler1989
JD,
Yes it uses IE 7 and no it didn't steal it from Fire Fox because FireFox/Mozilla did not "invent" tabbed browsing free enterprise.
Warez,
You forgot to mention he also said that the Decemember CTP will be feature complete and all that is left is to work out bugs.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I wonder since they call it "feature complete" if we will see the return of the sidebar we have been promised a return but I do not see it in the screen shots so far. I'll be installing the 64 bit edition tonight.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]JD,
Yes it uses IE 7 and no it didn't steal it from Fire Fox because FireFox/Mozilla did not "invent" tabbed browsing free enterprise.
[/B][/QUOTE]
they just introduce it to the rest of the world
Posted by: Tyler1989
true but it's not theirs or lawsuits would have been made.
Posted by: mikee
does anyone here have vista 5270 yet??
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yup. Got it Yesterday. Its nice.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Just got it myself 64 bit Vista..... nice
Posted by: mikee
i might try and get it somehow since i have a spare computer for testing now.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Careful. You can only use the 14 day trial period. If you activate it not only will the person that you got the key from get kicked from the beta but M$ will shut down the OS on you. ;)
Posted by: EricB
I'm going to buy 1 copy of vista to get the new features, then I will keep xp (especially sp1 and before) on the rest of my computers. MS get on my nerves, with all of their tracking tricks that they put on your computer. it won't even be your computer, it will be MS. they will be checking to see if they will allow you to do something.
then a hacker or terrorist will break the code and use the technology to hijack everybody's computer
Posted by: Tyler1989
Bought a new monitor today and am officially broke. I only hope it supports the Vista Display Model.
Posted by: mikee
what happens if your monitor doesnt support the vista display model, can vista still run?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Of course it can. The problem is somewherre about copyrighted protection and certificates I haven't been keeping up to date on this aspect of Vista.
Posted by: J.G. Artist
well does any body have a copy of the beta version because i wanna use it really bad
Posted by: Makaveli213
Do a google search. Guarentee you will find some info around on how you can download it somewhere. ;)
Posted by: WizMaster
ok as i can see you folks know a lot about vista so please help me a litle. i have the new vista 5270 but i can go online with it
all the drivers are installed, the connection is made but it says that no wirreles connectin is found and i dont have any of that connection. i have normal dsl 2M conn.
please help
Posted by: Makaveli213
hmmm lots of people are having problems with their DSL and Vista. I dont think Vista can do wireless yet. Something is going wrong with that at this point. I would suggest not going wireless to see if it will work and something is wrong with the wireless. That is the only way to tell if it is something that has to do with the wireless router or if it has something to do with Vista.
Posted by: WizMaster
but i dont have wireless connectin
hehe
i have normal network and dsl but vista is only looking for wireless.
how to remove the wireless connection and make normal network
thanks for help
Posted by: Makaveli213
Hmmm that is odd. I use cable connection and Vista has no problem connecting to the net for me. It sounds as if the ethernet card drivers are setup wrong. It seems as if they think you have a wireless connection when you dont. You might have to find new driversso it will recognize your setup correctly.
Posted by: WizMaster
i found the problem but dont know what to do
i have ethernet on my motherboard and another one but intergrated one should be disabled but it is not and the one that i puted in cant be found but still when i try with the one on the board it still wont go
Posted by: Makaveli213
Do you have the integrated one disabled in the BIOS. That would stop Vista from installing the drivers for it and using it. Try to turn that off and then install the drivers for your installed one and see if that helps any.
Posted by: EricB
I had networking problems with vista (not internet though). then one day out of the sky my network showed up
Posted by: chevytrucknut
Is it true that if you do a beta testing, they send you the real one for free after it's released?
Posted by: Tyler1989
no where did you hear that. Thats how it should be but Vista is not an "open beta" currently. Most Vista uses who got it ligit will also be able to get the release version of vista unless their subscription expires beofre it is released.
Posted by: Tyler1989
What is this I hear about Vista only supporting Direct X 10 and will only emulate DX9.
This came from another forum member I have never heard of this and would like it verified.
Posted by: Makaveli213
I have heard this. Vista will only be DX10 compatable. It is supposed to use a totaly diffent method for gfx than DX9 is currently using. Here is an excert from the article i found:
There are troubled times ahead. Through one bold move, Microsoft has decided that it will not support, the already too “old” DirectX 9, not to mention DirectX 8 or any of the previous versions. But... it appears to be some logic hidden somewhere.
The new DirectX will not be named Windows Graphic Foundation (WGF) as it was planned and will remain at the old name, as in DirectX 10. It will be released with their brand new operating system Vista. This news API will be composed of new and faster dynamic link libraries (DLLs) and will run much faster (so they say).
Microsoft has decided that backward compatibly with DirectX 9,8,7 isn't really necessary as there will probably will be even less compatible with Vista.
Even so, dear Microsoft hasn't totally forgotten us. Some sort of “compatibility” will be available through a software layer (probably some emulation) which will have its price in system resources, as it will run much slower. The good news is that DirectX 10 will relieve some of the burden on the CPU.
Full Story: [url=http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX-10-and-so-it-ends-7762.shtml]Softpedia[/url]
Posted by: mikee
does anyone know if they are going to make a directx 10 for windows xp?
Posted by: Makaveli213
As far as i know. No. I could be wrong but since DX10 is to be released with Vista it just shows that they are fully backing Vista. I could be wrong. But even so the current hardware wont support it. You would have to buy a new Video Card that is DX10 in order to have it supported anyways. As far as i know even if they do backport it to XP it would only be emulated as would DX9 and lower would be on DX10. So either way its a lose-lose situation.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Think you can guess the date Windows Vista will officially debut next year? If so, you can win an all-expenses-paid trip to the launch event, or one of nine Xbox 360 consoles. The contest is being held as part of Microsoft Europe's new Beta Experience program, which is designed to keep users up to date with Vista and Office 12 news.
"As a member of the Beta Experience, you are one of the first to be informed of the new product features, long before the final version is released to the market," Microsoft says. Those 18 years of age and residing in Belgium, Croatia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom may enter.
[url]https://www.microsoft.com/emea/msdn/betaexperience/launchcontest/default.aspx[/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
*******s.... no United States...... no minors...
Posted by: Tyler1989
The February CTP apears to be when the people get a feature complete version of Vista after all. We just have to wait one more CTP till it's here. Microsoft seems to really be pushing things to their limits.
That means the sidebar should re apear in this CTP......
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Mikee I highly doubt Direct X 10 will be for XP seems to be a Vista exlusive. DX10 is all about the 3D desktop and UI something XP cannot take advantage of.
Posted by: mikee
what's with ms they put the sidebar there in the really early builds of longhorn then they keep putting it back in and taking it out.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I want it in but I honestly dont' think it will make the final cut.
**Goes to pray**
Posted by: mikee
it still might make it into a service pack if it doesnt make it in the final.
Posted by: Tyler1989
The problem with it is it hogs alot of space on 800x600 res but if your using vista I doubt anyone will use that it's all 1028x700 or 1280x1028 res now. They might include it but not have it activated by defualt under a windows component category I don't know we'll see when the feature complete CTP arrives.
Posted by: Amd2800
this thread getting boiring now
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]this thread getting boiring now [/B][/QUOTE]
You think?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I haven't noticed Vista keeps changing bringing forth new discussion.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I haven't noticed Tyler1989 keeps changing bringing forth new discussion. [/B][/QUOTE]
LOL
this thread is dead.
Posted by: Tyler1989
In posts perhaps but look at the views people keep coming for the info.
Posted by: mikee
well if ya ask me talking about how boring a thread has gotten for a whole page is what makes a thread boring.
Posted by: icemagic
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Posted by: EricB
now, the thread is becoming interesting.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Whoa. That about sums it up.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Windows Vista will no longer support DVD-ROM drives that do not handle region coding in hardware (RPC1 drives) - thus preventing playback of DVDs that are region/CSS encoded with those drives.
Not a big problem, as RPC1 drives haven't been officially manufactured since 2000 (and Microsoft claims their drives are all broken), but for those with hacked drives (RPC2 with RPC1 firmware), or move the RPC1 drive to new computers, well, no more DVD movies for you!
So really for a sum up on this article is.. if your DVD Drive was manufactured before the year 2000.. buy a new one ? that's if you adopt Microsoft's new OS coming next year.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Doesn't sound that bad as you can get good Drives now for $30 and are in need of an upgrade if it was before 2000 for speed increases.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Windows Vista will no longer support DVD-ROM drives that do not handle region coding in hardware (RPC1 drives) - thus preventing playback of DVDs that are region/CSS encoded with those drives.
Not a big problem, as RPC1 drives haven't been officially manufactured since 2000 (and Microsoft claims their drives are all broken), but for those with hacked drives (RPC2 with RPC1 firmware), or move the RPC1 drive to new computers, well, no more DVD movies for you!
So really for a sum up on this article is.. if your DVD Drive was manufactured before the year 2000.. buy a new one ? that's if you adopt Microsoft's new OS coming next year. [/B][/QUOTE]
How do youfigure out if your DVD drive is rpc1 for sure?
Posted by: Tyler1989
If it was bought in the United States it will work it's all about regional coding
Posted by: dp1dp
I have a copy of the beta for (vista) longhorn. What can i say about it? Its big security feature is asking permission to do well...anything..I installed it and it just didnt jive with my system(dual os). I just didnt like it prob should try sone linux, some time
Posted by: DMo224
Please Note:
If this thread has becoming boring to you or you don't like the subject, then don't read it anymore.
Flames will not be tolerated! Now is the time to stop flaming and get back to the discussion.
Dave :D
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Windows Vista will no longer support DVD-ROM drives that do not handle region coding in hardware (RPC1 drives) - thus preventing playback of DVDs that are region/CSS encoded with those drives.
Not a big problem, as RPC1 drives haven't been officially manufactured since 2000 (and Microsoft claims their drives are all broken), but for those with hacked drives (RPC2 with RPC1 firmware), or move the RPC1 drive to new computers, well, no more DVD movies for you!
So really for a sum up on this article is.. if your DVD Drive was manufactured before the year 2000.. buy a new one ? that's if you adopt Microsoft's new OS coming next year. [/B][/QUOTE]
this is rubbish ..ive used vista and played DVD movies on it from my DVD Drive so i dont see how and my dvd was made befroe 2000 so dont give me that crap
Posted by: EricB
Manufacturers have big plans for machines
Monday, January 02, 2006
Matthew Fordahl
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SAN JOSE, Calif. — It’s long been the PC industry’s dream, to take center stage in the vast home entertainment market. Success, however, has been elusive.
And so the industry will introduce in 2006 its most aggressive effort yet to persuade people to buy computers for wrangling the expanding universe of digital content.
Leading the charge are longtime PC collaborators Intel Corp. and Microsoft Corp., both of which are promising better support for highdefinition programming and an improved ability to send video, still pictures and music throughout the home and to portable gadgets.
Macintosh maker Apple Computer Inc. also is widely expected to join the fray and, perhaps, do for entertainment computers what it did for digital music players when it unleashed the iPod in 2001.
But it’s not going to be easy to overcome a checkered past, particularly given the problems that emerged in the industry’s first forays.
Most companies haven’t taken close enough notice of what’s behind Apple’s iPod success, said Rob Enderle, an analyst at the Enderle Group research firm.
‘‘Most of the technology products being thrown at the home market aren’t particularly attractive or well priced, and ease of use isn’t anywhere in their description," he said. ‘‘Until that gets fixed, we’re going to have some serious problems."
Such PCs — even when decked out with programs that can be controlled from a couch with a clicker — are criticized for being too complicated for consumers.
People are simply tired and frustrated by computers that take too long to boot, crash, get infected by viruses and demand constant updates with security patches.
Why would they want such a thing controlling their entertainment? Old set-top boxes supplied by cable and satellite TV companies might be dumb and slow but at least they’re low-maintenance.
Intel’s answer is Viiv, a hardware and quality assurance platform that’s expected to be launched in the first part of the year. As Intel did with its Centrino brand for notebooks and Wi-Fi hot spots, it will make sure Viivstickered PCs, gadgets, services and content play well with one another.
Viiv-branded PCs, not surprisingly, will include Intel chips that should enable smaller and more appealing cases, said Eric Kim, Intel’s chief marketing officer. ‘‘Until now, devices (media servers) were PC-like devices with fans, a tower, and lots of noise, and people don’t want that in their living rooms," he said.
It’s also going to build on Microsoft’s Media Center Edition of Windows, which has sold more than 4 million licenses since its 2002 debut, including notebooks and laptops without TV tuners that can’t rightly be classified as entertainment delivery vehicles. By way of comparison, analysts have predicted that more than 70 million consumer PCs were shipped worldwide in 2005 alone.
‘‘It really hasn’t taken off because it didn’t meet that threshold for ease of use, the hardware wasn’t good enough and there wasn’t enough compelling content," Kim said. ‘‘What we’re doing is bringing all these parties together."
Microsoft also isn’t planning to stand still in 2006. Late this year, it will introduce its long-delayed, nextgeneration operating system, Windows Vista, as well as a Vista-based update to the Media Center Edition for Windows.
The upgrade will support a technology called CableCARD that will allow users to access all their digital cable channels without having to use the cable box that the cable company supplies — one of the biggest headaches faced by Media Center owners. (This version of CableCARD will not, however, support video on demand or pay-per-view services.)
Microsoft is expected to stress Vista’s capability to handle high-definition programming, which should be more readily available late in the year. And it will coincide with Viiv’s marketing, said Roger Kay, president of Endpoint Technologies Associates, a research firm.
‘‘Vista and Viiv are going to be hyped in parallel," he said. ‘‘There’s at least a billion dollars worth of ads that are going to run as result of this."
Yet with new content, just as with old, the bugaboo of piracy and how to prevent it on a historically open system could stymie the PC’s quest to rule the living room.
To help entice Hollywood to offer up its programming for home-networked PCs — and allay fears of rampant HD piracy, Vista will support digital rights management technology that will allow content owners to determine how their works can be used.
One of the more controversial features of Vista will be its empowering content owners to disallow — or downgrade — high-definition video unless the graphics card and monitor support protecting the signal from unauthorized duplication.
Marcus Matthias, product manager at Microsoft’s Windows Digital Media Division, said that other consumer devices — such as a stand-alone high-definition DVD player — will have to play by the same rules.
But that’s not the only ‘‘digital rights management" technology. Audio CDs are increasingly coming with programs to prevent improper copying on PCs.
Posted by: Amd2800
yer wats that gotta do wiv any wiv Vista
Posted by: Warez Monster
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]this is rubbish ..ive used vista and played DVD movies on it from my DVD Drive so i dont see how and my dvd was made befroe 2000 so dont give me that crap [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2005/12/09/502014.aspx[/url]
Your still using the Beta Copy.
Posted by: Amd2800
do u belived everything they tell you ...because its ******** to me ..and they cant stop support in vista ..
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes they can if they choose to. They dont have to support old technology. That is why it is the OS of the future. It will still have some support for legacy things but to truly be a next generation OS they have to take measures to get people on the track to be next gen. Just like they dont fully support 98 anymore. Just like they are gonna stop support for 2000. Just like after Vista is released they will shortly afterward stop support for XP. It is a business to them and they have to keep people moving upward an onward so they can stay in business. If support for a product like that isnt gonna help then any then they will just stop support.
Most machines now a days wont run Vista all that well. They are banking on the fact that almost everybody will have to upgrade to get Vista which means that they wont have those old drives. So they are correct in saying that they wont support it.
So your machine that you are using Vista on now just like mine wont support Vista when it becomes final. Just like our video cards wont support DX10. Its the way of technology. Some of us like it and some of us dont. I dont see you complaining that AMD and P4's are out. If we didnt want the technology then why not go back to 386's and 486's? Have to move on. Have to move up. Its the way of business.
Posted by: Warez Monster
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]do u belived everything they tell you ...because its ******** to me ..and they cant stop support in vista .. [/B][/QUOTE]
I didnt say I beleived it, I just posted it and it can happen just because its ******** to you, doesn't mean its not going to happen
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]yer wats that gotta do wiv any wiv Vista [/B][/QUOTE]
you must didn't read it. I was just adding the future of vista and video
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]I didnt say I beleived it, I just posted it and it can happen just because its ******** to you, doesn't mean its not going to happen [/B][/QUOTE]
who is gonna change to vista because i wont ..M$ will be able to use ur pc //so XP is safe
Posted by: Makaveli213
But XP wont be supported beyond 2008. So if you have any problems you better know how to fix them yourself since M$ wont help anymore. ;)
Posted by: Amd2800
XP is a lot stable than Vista
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]XP is a lot stable than Vista [/B][/QUOTE]
Well right now xp is more stable because vista isn't complete yet so there are alot of glitches and bugs.
Posted by: Warez Monster
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]XP is a lot stable than Vista [/B][/QUOTE]
no **** sherlock.....its beta....its always going to be like that. It wont be when it comes out. Have you even used Vista yet?
Posted by: Amd2800
yes on my 2ghz machine and 512mb ram and 256mb gfx card
Posted by: Tyler1989
AMD2800 it's not finished so yeah expect bugs you should have seen the early whistler betas they also had bugs. And I don't see this as being a huge deal as it's only $30 to get a decent DVD Burner today that will read and burn alot faster than whatever was produced in 2000.
You don't want to install a new DVD Burner not much you can do there but it's just a few screws and two plug in cords nothing complex.
If you compair the early "longhorns" with the early "chicago" or early "whistler" they all had bugs. I'm suprised that MS for the most part have taken their time to do a great job on this one and get a quality product out there.
Posted by: Warez Monster
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]yes on my 2ghz machine and 512mb ram and 256mb gfx card [/B][/QUOTE]
and what happend when you ran it?
Posted by: Tyler1989
I'll assume it worked just fine.
I was able to run it without any slow down on a 2.4Ghz Intel 4 with no hyperthreading, 480megs of RAM, 32 bit interface/ 32 megs of integrated SIS 651 graphics.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]I'll assume it worked just fine.
I was able to run it without any slow down on a 2.4Ghz Intel 4 with no hyperthreading, 480megs of RAM, 32 bit interface/ 32 megs of integrated SIS 651 graphics. [/B][/QUOTE]
did the you use the aero glass because if you did I found that is what really slows the OS down what with all the animations and intense graphics stuff.
Posted by: Amd2800
Mikee i think u need to come in the 21ist century and get broadband internet and dont tell me you cant get out in canada because u can
Posted by: mikee
I seriously cant get broad band because I don't live near any towns and i live kind of in a vally with alot of forests around it so wireless and satelite won't work either. So I'm stuck with this crappy dialup for now.
Posted by: Amd2800
oh ..cant you get a wireless connection from somewere
Posted by: mikee
No we had a wireless provider come out and check if we could get a signal but the signal wasn't strong enough.
Posted by: Amd2800
yes but wouldnt it be faster than dailup
Posted by: mikee
Actually he said it would only get us up to 150kbps and cost 5 times more than what we have now. I want broadband sooo bad!!!!!!
SAVE ME!!!!!
Posted by: Amd2800
yer im only on 54kpbs on my wirleess but im on a 10mb broadband connection
Posted by: Tyler1989
What does any of this have to do with Areo Glass?
Mikee you used Vista I think. If you don't make it past the 64 megs of non integrated video ram they will not allow transparency and the animations as far as I'm aware of. On my newer PC I can run it just fine I don't think there is that much of a performance slowdown.
Posted by: Amd2800
i run it on a 64mb Video Card fine and it lets me use it fine
Posted by: mikee
oh srry kinda got off topic there.
It lets me use aero glass but it slows down, I hope MS gets that fixed because they said that it would put all the load on your graphics card so it wouldn't slow down the computer but some how I don't think its like that yet.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]i run it on a 64mb Video Card fine and it lets me use it fine [/B][/QUOTE]That would mean you fit in the required 64 meg category which meets the minimum requirments :confused: .
Posted by: Amd2800
ive run Vista ...on a 233mhz wiv 256mb Ram n a 10gb hdd and a 64mb card and it run perfect but of OCING
Posted by: mikee
Now that's what the requirements should be for vista. But that just leads me to think that windows vista isn't all that different from xp.
If 64 mb video is the minimum for aero glass how come it can't be those 64mb integrated video cards
Posted by: Warez Monster
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx[/url]
After a brief demo at the on-going CES conference in Las Vegas, Microsoft have launched a re-vamped version of the website for Windows Vista.
The slick new look makes a break from the often bland Microsoft product pages, and moves towards the Glass theme expected in Vista.
Perhaps of most significance is that the pages underlying code is put together with more 'modern' html code (div tags, for example, rather than tables). Also of note is the RSS feed, added, no doubt, after cajoling from a certain Microsoft blogger.
Posted by: Warez Monster
That's right, Microsoft plans to market several versions of Vista but will distribute all of the OS bits with every product shipped so users can easily unlock and step up to more full-featured versions using electronic keys.
Having a master Windows Vista operating system means customers that buy PCs preloaded with one Vista SKU, Home Basic, for example, will be able to punch their credit card into a Microsoft Web site to unlock Vista Home Premium and more speedily deploy media center features without an on-site visit or requiring a wipe and reload of the system.
"No matter which edition you buy you get all the bits and a key to unlock it. Everyone will have all the bits," said one source familiar with Microsoft's plans. "Right now we maintain master images for each version of Windows XP and it's a lot of work. Now there's just one master image."
Sources familiar with the packaging plan said it will drive more incremental revenue for the software giant and better enable the software giant to target Windows Live services and content to users globally.
Posted by: mikee
People will probably find a way to hack the full versions if they are all there but are locked.
Posted by: Warez Monster
give them a month.......
Posted by: Tyler1989
Warez I already learned you don't like giving your sources but this time I think you should I doubt this.
Posted by: Warez Monster
[url]http://www.crn.com/components/weblogs/article.jhtml?articleId=175802311[/url]
take a look.......
Posted by: Tyler1989
They dug their own grave it seems.
Posted by: Warez Monster
beleive it now?
Posted by: Warez Monster
Back in 2001, Microsoft's early betas of Windows XP contained a user interface dubbed "Watercolor". But only months before the operating system shipped, Microsoft completely replaced it with an entirely different look and feel called "Luna" which became known as "Windows XP Style".
That move has created speculation that current Windows Vista look and feel, called Aero glass, would be replaced by a different look and feel later in the beta process.
However, this week "PowerUser.TV" has released a podcast which contains an interview with Microsoft developers who have confirmed that there will be no major change to the look and feel of Windows Vista from what is being shown in build 5270.
In other words, Aero-Glass is it. Yes, Disappointing news we know. :(
[url]http://neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=32020[/url]
Posted by: mikee
I hope they change the look of the aero basic theme without the glass because right now it looks really ugly.
Posted by: Warez Monster
In early December of 2005, Microsoft had announced that they were to ship a code-complete version of Windows Vista internally by the end of 2005 to prepare for a CTP of the code-complete build to be issued to testers. However this never happened. Microsoft now plans to have an internal build of the code-complete Vista by early February.
However, the next CTP, due out on February 17th, apparently predates the code-complete version; therefore, the February CTP might not in fact be the code-complete build.
Currently, Microsoft is internally testing build 5293 of Vista, which means the February CTP build might be within the 5300 range.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
Did any of you see the video having some Microsoft guy, possibly Bill talking about all the new features of Vista to the video of MacOsX Tiger doing all those things? Ill see if i can get a link but im amazed how this date can just get pushed further and further back.
Posted by: mikee
i saw the intel mac thing
Posted by: Tyler1989
Yes Macs can use intels now. Poor mac users....
Posted by: Warez Monster
Despite being separated from Windows Vista, Monad is on track to be ready before Microsoft's next-generation operating system. Redmond developers on Tuesday delivered a feature complete beta 3 of Microsoft's command line shell, which includes support for a new snap-in model and cmdlets.
According to Microsoft, Monad "allows administrators to quickly write scripts, customize commands, and author their own shell tools." Monad is expected to play a big part in Exchange 12, as an administrator would be able to control and configure the server without having to use the graphical interface.
[URL=http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Windows_Monad_Shell_x86/1126581014/1]Monad Download Here[/URL]
Posted by: little_emmynem
Dont have Windows Vista???? Try some brand new themes here on my post in the windows OS section [url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87549[/url]
btw.....does MSDN subscription need some money for joining?
Posted by: Warez Monster
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]A remote code execution security issue has been identified in the Graphics Rendering Engine that could allow an attacker to remotely compromise your Windows-based system and gain control over it.
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=96bc190d-f608-44d5-8965-91dca0707e26&DisplayLang=en]Vists Beta 1[/URL]
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d74743e-edd3-4eb6-b8c3-d73063ea4668&DisplayLang=en]Vista x64[/URL]
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=228f2cdc-7148-4002-86bb-e4ade080ea86&DisplayLang=en]Vista December CTP[/URL]
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2e3b0de7-19cd-4f51-9c5d-6261f822e912&DisplayLang=en]Vista December CTP x64[/URL]
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B][QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]A remote code execution security issue has been identified in the Graphics Rendering Engine that could allow an attacker to remotely compromise your Windows-based system and gain control over it.
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=96bc190d-f608-44d5-8965-91dca0707e26&DisplayLang=en]Vists Beta 1[/URL]
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9d74743e-edd3-4eb6-b8c3-d73063ea4668&DisplayLang=en]Vista x64[/URL]
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=228f2cdc-7148-4002-86bb-e4ade080ea86&DisplayLang=en]Vista December CTP[/URL]
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2e3b0de7-19cd-4f51-9c5d-6261f822e912&DisplayLang=en]Vista December CTP x64[/URL] [/B][/QUOTE]
Wooww..
They already have exploited holes and it's in beta
Posted by: mikee
well its better that they find the holes now and fix them before the final version gets released to everyone.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]well its better that they find the holes now and fix them before the final version gets released to everyone. [/B][/QUOTE]
if it holy (hole-ly) in beta, guess what that mean when it's released?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Eric that affected every windows platform in existance with the graphic rendering engine what is the point you are trying to make?
Thanks warez for the fix.
Posted by: EricB
everybody was saying that vista was more secure and it was going to be hard to exploiter
Posted by: Tyler1989
Well think about it being based off of Server 2003 the most secure MS OS today. This security threat affected all versions of Windows all of them so I'm not sure if that shows a weakness. Compair Server 2003's security to Win2K which will not get any more SP's or XP.
Posted by: Disillusion
I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but I have a question.
When Vista is done with the beta testing and it is released on the market, will they have 32 bit and 64 bit versions? I am really wanting to make the switch to 64 bit, but not until it becomes more mainstream. Hopefully by the time Vista is out (hopefully with 64 bit version) it will be more mainstream. :confused:
Posted by: Tyler1989
Vista is said to be done sometime July (ish) this year if there are no set backs.
There will be a 32 bit and 64 bit version. This is the last OS from MS that will be 32 bit after this it's all x64.
[URL=http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85059]x64 is already mainstream[/URL] enough in my personal opinion and I have no problems with it exept for one software which I have easilly replaced with WinRAR.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft has apparently pushed back the scheduled release date of SP3 to the second half of 2007. Microsoft executive Steve Ballmer had originally announced that the 3rd service pack for XP would be released before the launch of Longhorn (now Windows Vista).
Bink suggests that we could see a "Rollup Package" coming from Microsoft in the near future for XP, with the possibility of that package replacing SP3 all together.
One can also reason that Microsoft will use the delay of SP3 to further the cause of upgrading to Vista later on this year.
Posted by: Warez Monster
It's been a long time since Vista Beta testers have seen updates for Windows Defender. But finally on Tuesday, A new category for updates specified for the program appeared on the Windows Update site, the category for the updates has been classified under "Windows Products".
Along with that, another category named "Definition Updates" will be available for newly released definition updates for the program.
At the moment, Windows Defender is only available to Windows Vista testers and the updates will only become available to those who are testing Microsoft's new Update Service Pack 1.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Microsoft has apparently pushed back the scheduled release date of SP3 to the second half of 2007. Microsoft executive Steve Ballmer had originally announced that the 3rd service pack for XP would be released before the launch of Longhorn (now Windows Vista).
Bink suggests that we could see a "Rollup Package" coming from Microsoft in the near future for XP, with the possibility of that package replacing SP3 all together.
One can also reason that Microsoft will use the delay of SP3 to further the cause of upgrading to Vista later on this year. [/B][/QUOTE]
Does this mean that we won't be seeing internet explorer 7 for win xp untill 2007?
Posted by: Makaveli213
As far as i know IE7 is still on track for XP. They are rolling out Beta 2 of IE7 for XP in Feb or March. I dont know if they plan on doing it with the Feb CTP of Vista or if they are gonna wait till Beta 2 of Vista to launch IE7 Beta 2 for XP.
Posted by: koanaihe
There is another way to get windows vista legally from microsoft. But it's a long shot but it worked for me. Go to [url]http://beta.microsoft.com[/url] and sign up and type BetaReq when prompted for id code. This is an official microsoft web community where microsoft offers certain people to test there products. You may also be eligable to try other products that microsoft offers.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft made available for download on Wednesday the January Community Technology Preview test build of WinFX.
That means testers can get their hands on refreshed builds of Windows Communication Foundation (WCF), Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) and Windows Workflow Foundation (WF).
Microsoft also is making "Go Live" builds of WCF and WF available to testers who are interested in deploying these technologies in production early.
[URL=http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=61DD9CA7-1668-42E4-BD37-03716DD83E53&displaylang=en]Download[/URL]
Posted by: Amd2800
that ID Dont work BetaReq
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]and what happend when you ran it? [/B][/QUOTE]
it ran sweet thanks
didnt run slow at all
i have 1gb ram in now so should run faster
Posted by: carl
Does anyone actually have a release date for vista yet?
Posted by: Amd2800
Xmas 2006 it will be released
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]Xmas 2006 it will be released [/B][/QUOTE]
They said July origanally since when did they move it back?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Last thing i heard the Official announcemt was 4th Quater of 2006. Nothing more or less than that. I think this was announced back around Beta 1 if i am not mistaken. With the set backs they have been having i dont see them hitting the July mark. Its almost Feb and they dont even have Beta 2 out. Let alone the Release Canadiates. There is supposed to be 3 RC's. So if the calulation is right that would mean Beta 2 in March, RC0 would have to be May, RC1 would be June and RC2 would be in July. Unless they skip a phase or they make some major progress in the next month July is out.
Posted by: mikee
Hmm you would think that ms would have released the official system requirements for it by now so people can start buying computers for vista.
Posted by: Amd2800
my pc will run Vista fine
look at my sig
Posted by: talldude123
[url]http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/[/url]
this website says that you need ALOT to run vista...
Posted by: koanaihe
Just download the vista beta through bit torrent. You will have to search through websites though for it. Use yahoo and search for microsoft windows vista beta. You should be able to find it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Hmm you would think that ms would have released the official system requirements for it by now so people can start buying computers for vista. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's not wise to stat the requirements for a product that isn't released yet. It only leads to empty promises.
Posted by: beluga
thats really bad.. comparing with unix based Mac os Tiger which only requires a g4 300mhz. Also Tiger looks stunning, and has no viruses
Posted by: Tyler1989
Mac's are just ugly I'd much rather choose a linux over it anyday.
Posted by: Warez Monster
With little fanfare, Microsoft just announced that the x64 version of Windows Vista will require all kernel-mode code to be digitally signed. This is very different than the current WHQL program, where the user ultimately decides how they want to handle unsigned drivers. Vista driver developers must obtain a Publisher Identity Certificate (PIC) from Microsoft. Microsoft says they won't charge for it, but they require that you have a Class 3 Commercial Software Publisher Certificate from Verisign. This costs $500 [EUR 412] per year, and as the name implies, is only available to commercial entities."
Posted by: Tyler1989
tis a true shame but I've been saying they would do something like this since the early 4047 builds. Is this from a credable source?
Posted by: Warez Monster
as always......
[url]http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13388[/url]
Posted by: Amd2800
its a vista to me lol
Posted by: Warez Monster
In the ever-changing release schedule for Windows Vista, nothing stays constant. But according to internal Microsoft documentation, the following dates are correct for the next several major milestones in the product.
Currently, Microsoft plans to ship the feature-complete internal build on January 31, 2006, and then ship a near-feature-complete Community Technology Preview (CTP) build to testers on February 17. (To date, more than 50 product teams have submitted code for the feature-complete builds.) Windows Vista Beta 2 is due on April 12, followed by a release candidate (RC) build in July and release to manufacturing (RTM) in August. Assuming this last date is met, the general release of the product will occur in October.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Short Takes
Microsoft Clarifies Blu-ray Support in Windows Vista
Given my article yesterday about Blu-ray support in Windows Vista, Microsoft has elected to clarify what it's really doing. Adam Anderson, a product manager in the Windows division, told me, "Microsoft is adding the ability to detect a movie disc for a variety of optical formats, which is known as AutoPlay, since OEMs will have a choice of which drive they want to place in their PCs. The HD DVD AutoPlay feature is already implemented, and Blu-ray's is under study. This simply recognizes the particular media that you put into the disc drive, so implementing this feature for Blu-ray does not constitute native or platform support for Blu-ray in Vista. As stated before, we will leave that up to third-party developers." In short, Windows Vista will "support" (i.e., recognize) Blu-ray discs, but will not natively support Blu-ray movie playback; for that, you'll still need third-party software.
Clarity on Windows Vista Milestones
In the ever-changing release schedule for Windows Vista, nothing stays constant. But according to internal Microsoft documentation, the following dates are correct for the next several major milestones in the product. Currently, Microsoft plans to ship the feature-complete internal build on January 31, 2006, and then ship a near-feature-complete Community Technology Preview (CTP) build to testers on February 17. (To date, more than 50 product teams have submitted code for the feature-complete builds.) Windows Vista Beta 2 is due on April 12, followed by a release candidate (RC) build in July and release to manufacturing (RTM) in August. Assuming this last date is met, the general release of the product will occur in October.
Microsoft Issues WMF Fix for Windows Vista CTP
In case you were wondering whether that Windows Metafile Format (WMF) file format flaw--you know, the one that Microsoft fixed a week before the regularly scheduled monthly security update--was really all that serious, consider this evidence: Microsoft has issued a version of the fix for the December CTP build of Windows Vista. It's pretty rare for the software giant to release a security patch for a beta OS. Heck, it's pretty rare for Microsoft to release anything for a beta OS.
About that XP SP3 Confusion
It seems like every time I go away, some Microsoft release jumps up to bedevil me when I can't get online easily and figure out what's going on. This week, it wasn't a release per se but the delay of the Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) release. Microsoft didn't announce the delay, it just updated a service pack life cycle page on its Web site. What's curious is that after various Web sites began posting information about the delay, Microsoft's Web page was temporarily changed to remove the XP SP3 references. This happened while I was on an airplane, of course, but by the time I got online, the correct page had been put back on the site. Fun, fun, fun. Anyway, I wish Microsoft would just fess up to the delay: The company is now claiming that no one ever promised XP SP3 before Windows Vista, but in reality a 3-year break between SP2 (which shipped in 2004) and SP3 (now due in late 2007) is unprecedented, especially when you consider today's security climate. I hope Microsoft gets the message that such long delays are unacceptable, because they are. In fact, XP SP3 should have shipped last year. What ever happened to predictability?
Xbox Live Arcade for Xbox 360 Off to Fast Start
This week, Microsoft said that the new version of Xbox Live Arcade for Xbox 360 has done unexpectedly well. The Xbox Live Arcade online service lets users download free trial versions of classic arcade games and other casual game titles, then purchase the full versions by using a micropayment system called Microsoft Points. Although total sales figures for Xbox Live Arcade are unavailable, the top-selling Arcade title, Geometry Wars, has garnered more than 200,000 trial downloads and 45,000 paid downloads. That's not too shabby when you recall that Microsoft has sold just 600,000 Xbox 360 consoles in the US since November. Other top Xbox Live Arcade downloads include Gauntlet, Smash TV, Bejeweled II, and my personal favorite, Zuma. If you're interested in Xbox Live Arcade, I recently wrote a review of this service on the SuperSite for Windows:
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/xbox_live_arcade.asp[/url]
Sony to Bolster Walkman Division
Sony's Walkman division used to be the company's crown jewel, but with Apple's iPod garnering all the press, praise, and sales these days, Walkman isn't doing so well. So Sony is going to move the division into its audio business, which will be renamed to Connect Business Division (Connect is the name of Sony's online music store). Sony can use the streamlining. The erstwhile product consumer electronics giant has struggled mightily in recent years, largely because it hasn't been able to create digital devices that protect Sony's music rights without hampering customers. The needs of the device and audio businesses, of course, contradict each other. Sony wants to prevent users from making unauthorized copies of music created by Sony Music, but it also wants its Connect customers to easily copy music from CDs to their Sony portable devices. I have no idea how they're going to reconcile these needs.
Google, Other Search Engines Subpoenaed by DOJ
The US Department of Justice (DOJ) has demanded search logs from Google, AOL, Yahoo!, and Microsoft as part of a court case involving a controversial Internet pornography law. The request for the logs might ultimately prove to be more controversial than the law the DOJ is trying to defend: The DOJ has demanded that these companies show it what terms people search for in a certain time period, as well as a list of the Web sites that the company's search engines index. So far, AOL and Yahoo! have complied with the request without turning over any personal data, but Google vows to fight the request. The good news, I guess, is that the DOJ hasn't asked for IP addresses, and thus names and addresses, but as it turns out, this kind of personal information is often saved every time you type in a search topic. Worried yet? Yeah, I don't care either.
Apple Rushes iMac, MacBook Pro to Market, Countering Sales Dip
Apple Computer says that Macintosh computer sales in the previous quarter were lower than expected because users were holding off on new purchases while they waited for the company to ship its Intel-based Macs. However, massive iPod sales made up for the deficit, and Apple was able to ship its first Intel-based Mac, the new iMac, about 6 months earlier than originally promised (a second Intel-based Mac, the MacBook Pro, is scheduled to ship in February). The early shipment of Intel-based Macs is, of course, designed to send a message to two groups: IBM, which couldn't deliver a 3GHz microprocessor as promised, and Apple's customers, to make up for the previous promise about the 3GHz chip that never materialized. The point is that now that Apple is partnering with Intel, Apple can deliver.
PC Makers Ship More than 208 Million PCs in 2005
PC sales were up 16.4 percent in 2005, with PC makers shipping a whopping 208.9 million PCs, according to IDC. That's some serious growth, especially when you consider that sales had been soft for the past several years. However, 2006 sales should prove to be tamer, IDC says, although I have to wonder whether the combination of Windows Vista and new Windows-compatible Macs might help jump-start things a bit. IDC says that PC sales will grow by about 10.5 percent in 2006, which, let's face it, isn't shabby. In 2005, Dell was again the largest PC maker, with 20.1 percent of the market, followed by HP, Lenovo, Acer, and Toshiba. Although final figures aren't in yet, Intel apparently lost shares to AMD in 2005. All in all, a great year.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Next release of Microsoft Windows Vista CTP is set to February 21st. This won't be the Beta 2 yet, that is planned somewhere in April. The word is that the February CTP is feature complete!
However, it is not likely that in this CTP round a Longhorn Server build will be distributed.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft will make Windows Defender Beta 2 available for Windows 2000, XP, 2003, R2, Vista and LH server. Beta 2 will be released in February / March. 64 bit versions will be included in Vista / LH Server x64 editions and for XP and 2003 x64 editions.
Windows Defender will be configurable via Group Policies, and defender updates will appear on WSUS. Defender updates will be released as needed, from few times a day to minimum once a week through (automatic) Windows Update infrastructure.
Beta 2 will have significant changes according to the chat transcript held by the Windows Defender team.
Posted by: mikee
I'm confused this site says that my card is compatible with vista
[url]http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/ Windows_Vista_Build_5270_Hardware_Compatibility_Li
st#Graphic_Cards[/url]
and on the nvidia site it's not listed
[url]http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Easiest way to tell. If your card is a Direct X 9 card then it is Vista compatable fully. Other than that you might have to do some registry hacks and such to get the full effects to work.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]I'm confused this site says that my card is compatible with vista
[url]http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/ Windows_Vista_Build_5270_Hardware_Compatibility_Li
st#Graphic_Cards[/url]
and on the nvidia site it's not listed
[url]http://www.nvidia.com/page/technology_vista_home.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
its because they havnt made them drivers yet
Posted by: Makaveli213
They do the Beta driver out. [url=http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_75.03.html]nVidia Vista Drivers[/url] and [url=https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=5712]ATi Vista Drivers[/url]. But i do know that the nVidia ones havent been updated since Beta 1 was released back in July of 2005. So they might still work or they might not.
Posted by: Tyler1989
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]its because they havnt made them drivers yet [/B][/QUOTE]
They have....
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft plans to stagger the release of Windows Vista Beta 2 in two phases: one for businesses in the first quarter and one for consumers in the second quarter.
The first drop, dubbed Microsoft’s Enterprise Community Technology Preview (CTP), will be released to corporate accounts participating in its early Technology Adopter Program (TAP).
Then, in the second quarter, Beta 2 will go out more broadly to one million to two million consumers, according to the Microsoft executive leading the charge.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Customers and partners who've been holding their breath waiting for Beta 2 of Windows Vista before getting serious about testing Microsoft's next-generation operating system can exhale.
There will be no single, catch-all Beta 2 of Vista, according to Jim Allchin, copresident of Microsoft's Platform Products & Services Division in Redmond, Wa. Instead, Microsoft is planning to rely increasingly on Community Technology Preview (CTP) builds to get its feedback from Windows tester.
Allchin, who was on a cross-country press and analyst tour this week, stumping for Vista and Longhorn Server, was showing off the December CTP build of Vista, released in mid-December, as well as some of the features in what is likely to be the next CTP, timed to hit some time in the first calendar quarter of this year.
In Microsoft parlance, CTPs are interim test releases that represent a product snapshot in time. They are usually less stable than traditional beta releases. When Microsoft first launched the Windows CTP program last year, company officials said they hoped to deliver monthly Vista CTPs. But it now seems Microsoft is moving toward more of a quarterly CTP delivery schedule.
The December CTP, Build 5270, which Microsoft released to testers in mid-December is the "partner" CTP, Allchin said.
A first quarter CTP, which is going to Technology Adoption Program (TAP) testers, is the "enterprise CTP," he said. The TAP build, which many company watchers are expecting to hit in February, will include functionality that will allow the build to install on top of Windows XP, Allchin said. The TAP CTP is widely expected to include the Windows Sidebar pane, but Allchin said that it still is not 100 percent certain that the Sidebar will make it into this build.
Microsoft also is planning a third CTP, the Customer Preview Program (CPP) release, for release in the second calendar quarter, Allchin said. Company watchers are expecting the CPP CTP in April.
The latest and next two Vista CTPs all will be labeled as "Beta 2" releases. But Allchin said there won't be a single, traditional Beta 2 or any kind of usual "Release Candidates" for Vista as the product moves toward its release to manufacturing, which is still on track for the second half of this year. It will be all CTPs from here on out.
Allchin wouldn't go so far as to say Microsoft is nixing Windows beta releases altogether. However, Microsoft is definitely shifting the way it is collects customer input for Windows by putting more emphasis on the feedback it receives from testers working with more frequently released CTP builds.
"Customers do need significant milestones," Allchin said. "But you could classify CTPs as betas, but for a different audience."
On [Windows Server] 'Longhorn,' Microsoft also is planning to issue a number of regular CTP builds as the product wends its way through the testing process until it is released to manufacturing in 2007, Allchin said.
There are two more full-fledged beta releases of Longhorn Server planned, however, said Allchin. Longhorn Server Beta 2 will hit in the second quarter. Microsoft also has added a Beta 3, slated to hit in the second half of this year, to its schedule, Allchin said.
"The question is, what level of feedback are they going to take with CTPs versus an administrated beta program," said a tester with a major Microsoft business partner, who requested anonymity. "I think the CTP is good for getting the product into customers' hands early, but for systems professionals who want to be able to interact with the company, it might not be as good."
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As it stands now, Vista is feature-complete, Allchin said. Microsoft will not be adding any additional features to the product before it ships, although the company is reserving the right to cut some functionality if the product isn't up to snuff by the time it is ready to go gold.
"We still have lots of bugs, application performance and compatibility things to work on," Allchin admited.
Microsoft still is not going public with its packaging and pricing decisions for Vista or Longhorn. The company will be playing up in coming months some of the deployment tools and less-heralded features, such as synchronization between laptops, desktops and servers.
Allchin said that—contrary to some published reports—Microsoft will not be shipping the bits for all of its different Vista packages on a single CD. Microsoft would like to be able to do so, but "timing" is holding the company back, Allchin said.
Instead, the company will be making Vista available under a new "Windows Anytime Upgrade" plan, which will allow customers to move more easily between different SKUs of the product when they are ready to upgrade. Allchin did not offer further details on that licensing mechanism.
Posted by: Warez Monster
From Microsoft Watch: If you've been waiting for a "real" Beta 2 of Windows Vista before starting to kick the tires, you might want to rethink your plans. Microsoft is not going to do a big-bang Beta 2 release of Vista. Instead, it's going to do a series of Community Technology Previews as it marches toward final product delivery. There is a feature-complete CTP expected later this quarter (most likely in February) and another next quarter (we hear April). Company officials say it's still full steam ahead to RTM later this year, however.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft will omit anti-virus protection in Vista, the next version of Windows, which it plans to ship late this year. As with previous versions of Windows dating back to Windows 2000 at least, Redmond is promoting Vista as a landmark improvement in Windows security.
Jim Allchin, co-president of Microsoft's platform products and services division, told reseller magazineCRN that safety and security, improved user experience, and mobility features will be key additions in Vista. But there will be no anti-virus software, the Windows development supremo said during a questions and answers session with CRN. For unspecified business (not technical) reasons, Microsoft will sell anti-virus protection to consumers through its OneCare online backup and security service.
Posted by: mikee
what a rip, I was hoping they would actually put antivirus in vista for free.
Posted by: Tyler1989
ha good luck with that. Never happen.
Posted by: Amd2800
Right ..they had antivirus in Sp2 but it never worked so if they Put Antivirus in Vista then they got no chance of anyone buying it ..i dont trust bill gates so i wont trust his antivirus so from what i am hearing XP is a lot better and a lot more customizable and ive herd with vista you are being watched all the time on what you do on vista with is going pasted privacy rights Bill gates wants to release vista for free .or even Linux make a XP or Vista Based os for us to use and then dont bother with bill gates
Posted by: Warez Monster
Catalyst Beta Driver for Windows Vista Build 5270
Feedback:
ATI Usability Feedback: This is your opportunity to provide us with feedback that will help improve software and driver usability
ATI is one of the first graphic providers to make a 64-bit driver that supports the Longhorn Display Driver Model (LDDM) – the Microsoft Vista revolutionary graphic driver standard – as well as the first to provide LDDM drivers for integrated graphics processors. By making LDDM drivers available more than a full year prior to Windows Vista release, ATI provides developers with a stable, feature-enabled and performance-optimized platform for application development. ATI is also the first to provide Catalyst® Windows Vista driver feedback via our Catalyst® Crew Feedback program.
Instructions:
For detailed instructions on how to install this driver, please visit – “How to install Catalyst beta driver for Windows Vista build 5270”
Product series supported:
Radeon® 9500, 9550, 9600, 9650, 9700, 9800, X300, X600, X700, X800, X850
Radeon® X1300, X1600, X1800, X1900 series
FireGL™ X1, X2, X3, Z1, T2, V3100, V3200, V5000, V5100, V7100
FireMV™ 2200
Mobility™ Radeon® 9550, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X600, X700, X800
Mobility™ Radeon® X1300, X1400, X1600, X1800
Mobility™ FireGL™ V3100, V3200, V5000, V5100
Radeon® Xpress 200, 200M
Notes:
As this is a beta driver, and provided AS IS, please visit the “Catalyst® Crew Feedback ” form to report any issues with the installation or usage of the driver
ATI does NOT recommend installing these drivers in systems used for mission critical operations or where productivity of any kind is a concern
These drivers are not supported by ATI Customer Care or any other ATI department. All feedback should be reported via the Catalyst Crew Feedback program
[url]https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=19933[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well M$ will NOT get away with allowing only the Windows Defender as the only AV. If the Euro Commission stopped them from pre-packaging WMP and IE what makes them think that they will allow this?
Same thing with the FTC here in the States. That will NOT promote competition. That will cause a monopoly. Which is what we are here to prevent. I do not see this being a final answer. I see this choice being changed real quick. No way the AV companies will allow for such a thing.
Posted by: mikee
Lol I was just reading some things about vista and MS still says you will still need at least a 3.0 GHZ processor and recommended 1 GB ram. I thought they would have lowered it by now since its closer to being completed.
LOL!! I don't even think there are that many 64bit processors that are 3.0 ghz yet.
[url]http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/07/vista_requirements/[/url]
edit: unless they are talking about 3.0 ghz for pentium and 3000+ for amd.
Posted by: Kdar
I think they speak about Intel P4...
"3.0 GHz Intel or equivalent AMD processor"
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kdar [/i]
[B]I think they speak about Intel P4...
"3.0 GHz Intel or equivalent AMD processor" [/B][/QUOTE]
that means an amd 3000 or better
Posted by: mikee
ah I have to get a new computer for vista,
I gotta say I'm not pleased.
Posted by: Amd2800
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Lol I was just reading some things about vista and MS still says you will still need at least a 3.0 GHZ processor and recommended 1 GB ram. I thought they would have lowered it by now since its closer to being completed.
LOL!! I don't even think there are that many 64bit processors that are 3.0 ghz yet.
[url]http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/07/vista_requirements/[/url]
edit: unless they are talking about 3.0 ghz for pentium and 3000+ for amd. [/B][/QUOTE]
the 64bit are eqivilant to a 3ghz Procc
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Did any of you see this video? It is about Transactional File System.
[url]http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/1/c/81cdb151-0aae-4f50-ab44-654b5f7ae0db/transactional_file_system_2005.wmv[/url]
There's more videos on Channel9.
[url]http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=142120[/url][/color]
Posted by: Warez Monster
A February CTP (Community Technology Preview) of Microsoft's planned Windows Vista OS will feature Windows Sidebar and Gadgets technology, for adding mini-applications such as video or audio feeds to the Windows desktop. Gadgets providing access to these applications are represented by desktop icons.
These icons are then organized on the scrollable Sidebar on the screen, Microsoft officials said at the combined Software Architecture Summit and Middleware Summit conferences on Wednesday.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Bout time we see that again also I find it laugh able that only their AV will be allowed on it does anyone remember the IE Court Cases. It will be another battle. Before I'm reminded who won that case I'll remind you of the level of profesionalism
Top= Court
So-So= Supreme Court
MS Loves/Bottom = arbitration
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well it wasnt just the IE case. It was also WMP. I know that in Europe and i think even Asia M$ can not install IE and WMP by default. SO it is going to be another battle. Even here in the states. No way all teh firewall and AV companies will allow for thier software not to be installed.
It is going to be an uphill battle the whole way for M$ with Vista. Trying to convince the general public that they need to switch along with companies. I think companies will be even harder since it costs some companies millions of $$ to do an upgrade. Not only for the hardware but also to train the people to use it.
I dont see Vista being as big as they hope. I can see how they are going to convice everyone that Vista nd Windows Defender are all anyone will need for a OS and security. Which that brings another problem that no one thinks of. Having only 1 OS and 1 AV/Firewall to hack makes it easier for hackers to find the exploits and do more damage to our systems. If the current trend keeps up i will stay with XP till they decide to allow Av and Firewall installs.
Posted by: Warez Monster
While the release of Microsoft's next-generation Windows operating system is still months away, Microsoft execs already are projecting strong sales.
Here's why they are so bullish. Microsoft executives already are counting their Vista chickens before the next-generation Windows release has hatched.
Microsoft expects 200 million new PCs to ship with Vista preloaded in the first 24 months that the operating system is available, said Michael Sievert, corporate vice president, Windows Product Management & Marketing. Comparatively, Windows 95 shipped on 67 million new PCs during its first two years of life.
[url]http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1918851,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Right 200 million to ship i 2 years. Who is gonna be buying those PC's? Almost everybody their brother, mother, sister, aunt, uncle, cousins, and fathers all have PC for themselves all loaded with XP. Why would everyone go out and buy a new PC with Vista? They are definately not thinking straight.
Posted by: mikee
MS is already planning things that will only work on vista to force people to upgrade as soon as it comes out, mainly gamers
check this out
[url]http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=11818[/url]
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i dont really care about vista only halo 2 but if microsoft does other evil things to coerce gamers to upgrade i wont be happy.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Ohh darn. I wont be able to play Halo 2? Darn. Guess i will just have to play UT2007 when it gets released later this year and it will rock over Halo2 on PC. :p Dont care. I am not into Vista for Halo 2. Never finished Halo so i dont care what they try to convince me to go to Vista with on Games. Most are still gonna be XPO sompatable that are not from M$.
Posted by: Amd2800
Well we will all keep[ XP
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]I installed Vista 5270 yesterday. It's full of bugs. No drivers for soundcard, no proper drivers for my video card, no proper drivers for my ethernet card (had to use XP's drivers).[/color]
Posted by: Amd2800
Remeber m8 ..its only a Beta
when the final come out everything will be fixed
Posted by: Makaveli213
Right now Vista is only using the XP drivers for install. ;) That is what the Driver Supplement pack is for. They dont have specific drivers written for Vista at the current time. ATi, nVidia, and Creative do have drivers written but only for Beta 1 build 5112 which was released last July. Nothing more current for hte newer builds.
Also the new build is supposed to be released in 11 days. :p
Posted by: NickFas
I dont know if anyone has asked this yet but...
Does anyone think that Internet Explorer 7 will be better than whatever Mozilla comes out with?
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Don't think so. Maybe.[/color]
Posted by: EricB
it a piece of junk now. it disabled certain things on my OS. like I had sold a computer which had my mce serial, but it didn't have mce on it(I had upraged it to a better computer). so I didn't have a mce serial, so I borrowed a bootleg one from the net. then I got me a new legit serial.
I installed IE7. Now it wouldn't let access any of the shows that I recorded using the bootleg version. it wouldn't let me access my mail.
it wouldn't let me boot from a cd and it stuck something into my hard drive and memory(I fix that though. I unhook everything and booted the machine with nothing hooked up. that cleared up everything )
Now I got everything working right. I will never use IE7 or windows live messenger (it did the exact same thing a few weeks ago) again.
Posted by: Amd2800
Eric Live messanger is o.k ive used it
and ie 7 is good ..its just MCE that dont like it
Posted by: EricB
it probably has it's uses, but it's not for me. if you know MS history, you know that they like to track everything that you are doing. their tracking ability is at a all time high, too. Vista will know everything that you do
they will never figure out that this is why their OS's are so exploitable. people come in the back doors that MS leaves open
Posted by: Tyler1989
Eric every single windows since 95B was watching you through the NSA with advapi32.dll
suprise..... not really
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]Eric every single windows since 95B was watching you through the NSA with advapi32.dll
suprise..... not really [/B][/QUOTE]
Tyler, just because you don't have enough sense to realize that windows is tracking you (this is a fact, they don't hide it), doesn't mean you can say what you want to disagree.
I don't bother to agrue with you anymore because I will never win.
Nobody can ever win an argument against a 15 year know it all, especially when they are right.
Go back under your rock, tyler.
Posted by: Amd2800
eric atleast tyler is getting his versions of xp etc from a good source n legal source
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Amd2800 [/i]
[B]eric atleast tyler is getting his versions of xp etc from a good source n legal source [/B][/QUOTE]
if my memory serve me correctly...
Ain't you the guy that was crying about how bad you needed vista and I gave you the link to get it?
My media center was legit. I'm always upgrading my personal computer to the latest specs. when I get done building it, I then sell my old one for whatever it cost me to build the new one (sometimes I sell it for more).
in that MCE case, I sold the guy the amd 2800 (which incidentally wasn't fast enough for MCE 2005) computer that had the mce serial on it. I didn't know him so I couldn't find him and retrieve that key (I put xp pro on it, after I transfer my mce to mine). the next time that I formatted, I realizes I didn't have the key.
So I borrowed one from the internet until I could get righted again. I know have another legit serial.
tyler gets everything for free. then he cries about everybody that pirated their software. he's too hypercritical to notice that they want their software the same way that he got his.
Posted by: Tyler1989
And I'm sure there is no need for hostility and flaming. Back onto the Vista topic, yes it will include advapi32.dll and track everything which is wrong in itself but that isn't inhertitly Vista's fault as it was in every windows since 95B you can't blame Vista for that.
Posted by: solaris
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyler1989 [/i]
[B]And I'm sure there is no need for hostility and flaming. Back onto the Vista topic, yes it will include advapi32.dll and track everything which is wrong in itself but that isn't inhertitly Vista's fault as it was in every windows since 95B you can't blame Vista for that. [/B][/QUOTE]
yes we can cuz like 95 it was created by microsoft
Posted by: snair88
cant wait
Posted by: Warez Monster
According to sources close to Microsoft, the company has finalised the editions that they will be releasing mid-end of October 2006.
To co-inside with the 5 year anniversary of Windows XP, Microsoft will release the following editions:
-Windows Vista
-Windows Vista Business
-Windows Vista Business N
-Windows Vista Home Basic
-Windows Vista Home Basic N
-Windows Vista Home Premium
-Windows Vista Small Business
-Windows Vista Ultimate
Microsoft is clearly adhering to the European Commissions ruling that an unbundled version of Windows (without Windows Media Player) needs to be available to all OEMs and retail outlets hence forth.
Unfortunately we're unsure of the specifics of each version as this has not been finalised yet.
Posted by: Warez Monster
On February 16, Microsoft will be disclosing the Office "12" SKU line-up, product branding, and some directional pricing information to the press.
The February 16 date is a press-focused event wherein the company will issue a press release and hold calls with members of the press.
-New product names and enhanced Office logo and branding.
-Office client SKU line-up and the individual products that are included in each edition.
-Office server SKU line-up and the licensing/CAL information for each product, except RTC and Exchange.
-Some directional pricing information.
This is the first time Microsoft will openly reveal information so early on in a product release cycle. The company aims to ensure that customers are aware of certain features, product branding and pricing in order to early adopt the product.
Posted by: mikee
did they say it will remease in october for sure?
Posted by: Warez Monster
Windows Vista will give the NAND Flash market a big kick when it ships, Samsung has claimed, thanks to technology integrated into the new Microsoft operating system that will allow USB Flash drives to expand a PC's main memory bank, along with support for Flash caches in hard drives to accelerate boot times.
The upshot: increased use of Flash devices with PCs will drive the Flash memory market almost as much as the MP3 player boom has, Don Barnetson Samsung USA Flash marketing chief said yesterday in an interview with EETimes
Vista's External Memory Device (EMD) technology will boost demand for Flash first. It allows the system to grab USB-connected storage as system memory, using the addition capacity as a half-way house between a true RAM disk and the hard drive. Vista copies over apps and data it anticipates the user will want, allowing them to be subsequently read into RAM far more quickly than they would from the hard drive.
Building Flash directly into hard drives is the next step and provides the same facility - a way to get key data, including the OS itself, off the drive much more quickly, accelerating not only application load times but the start-up sequence too. Crucially, it doesn't have to take into account the fact that the USB Flash drive might have been removed, as EMD does.
If EMD takes off, expect PC makers to add an internal USB slot for the purpose, Barnetson said. It's certainly going to be the cheaper solution until Flash-equipped HDDs become mainstream.
According to market watcher iSuppli, Samsung was the biggest NAND Flash maker in 2005, taking 52.9 per cent of the market thanks to sales totalling $5.74bn, up 47 per cent on 2004's total, $3.9bn. Toshiba, with a market share of 21.9 per cent, came a distant second, followed by Hynix (12.7 per cent), Renesas (6.8 per cent) and Micron (2.2 per cent). In 2005, Hynix pushed past Renesas to take third place, and Micron moved up to fifth place from seventh in 2004.
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Flash memory is extremely slow afaik. I don't see how it could speed up anything at all.[/color]
Posted by: Warez Monster
British officials are concerned about encryption in Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Vista release, saying the technology could prevent law enforcement from reading suspects' computer files.
They claim certain new features within Vista,
while intended to do good, may actually set
back terrorism investigations.
The comments came as part of a larger House of Commons home affairs select committee meeting on holding terrorism suspects. Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at Cambridge University, said, "from later this year, the encryption landscape is going to change with the release of Microsoft Vista."
Vista will come with a feature called BitLocker, which enables users to encrypt all the data on a system including the OS and boot sector.
The idea is to keep data on stolen laptops from being accessed, but it also means it will become "seriously difficult" to read encrypted information off the hard disk, says Anderson.
Posted by: Tyler1989
I would never trust encryption from MS but it does seem like an interesting feature.
Posted by: Amd2800
whats the difference between
-Windows Vista
-Windows Vista Business
-Windows Vista Business N
-Windows Vista Home Basic
-Windows Vista Home Basic N
-Windows Vista Home Premium
-Windows Vista Small Business
-Windows Vista Ultimate
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i know the ones with N dont have media player because in Europe its a monopoly for microsoft to bundle media player with their os or something like that.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Europe seems too picky with their Windows N versions then you have the Linux problems with them where they said they broke copyright laws for having scroll bars on it and other petty issues.
btw is the scroll bar debate over in europe.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i think the media player thing is a bit picky, jeez. If you think media player is too much of a monopoly they should ban windows as well.
Posted by: coreyjames66
In my humble opinion, this whole topic is just so much hoo ha.
I would love to have an unfinished, overpriced, overprotected product that people (who my company has so thoroughly screwed in the past), talking so much about it.
PAHLEEZE! PEOPLE!
Other than "Eye candy", and the PRIVELEDGE of having the "Right" to pay for yet, more software, there is squat here!
The reason this hasn't been released yet is, THEY KNOW THIS! They don't like paying for a DEAD HORSE!
Trying to sell this product.........at three times the price.............with requirements that will ALSO COST MONEY, that you CANNOT fully utilize without spending EVEN MORE MONEY, is something that I, and my friends do NOT need.
Explaining this crap to them would be like trying to sell them on SLI, knowing full well the vast majority of people could care less.
If the "Evil Empire" was as intelligent as they want you to believe they are, they would have included something of value! I've been reading this thread for I don't know how long, there IS NO VALUE HERE! EXTORTION? YES! VALUE? NO!
They control the "Game". So, if you want to be "part of the game", you'll mortgage your house. Then, your kid's homes. Then, anything else they ask for.
But you know what? I'm wrong.
Yep, I said it.
I'm wrong.
Microsoft has such a grip on everything that is even remotely associated with computers, they will force everyone to conform.
I have little doubt that much of the reason virus' were so frequent, and have been tapering off, is part of a grand design. You sell S**T , not because there is no better way..........but, because you want to KEEP THE CATTLE COMING BACK TO THE TROUGH!
This is like me trying to sell you a better bridge. You can have it, but it's going to cost you. Why? Well...........reasons that noone can understand.........it's complicated. WITHOUT IT, however, you are NOT going to be able to buy new tires, as the concrete that we are planning to pour is..........not compatible with the design of the tires that ,(we have made sure), are being used on the roadway's today.
BTW, you MAY be able to "work around it" with your older tires for a while, but they will wear out.
Did we mention that WE sell tires that WILL be compatible?
....but, they require a special "core", or you won't be able to keep them properly inflated.
Others are going to try to take advantage of this. They will offer you some solution that will only make things worse.
DON'T WORRY! We, (Microsoft), are working on a remedy for this problem. (It will cost you 6 times as much though).
A word of caution however. DO NOT PUBLISH PHOTO'S OF ANY SOFTWARE, APPLICATIONS, IDEAS etc. That has ANY remote implication concerning the profits of MICROSOFT!!! You, by even reading this, agree that YOU will adhere to this. If you do NOT agree, STOP READING! (If you read that, you're too late)
Please, do NOT try to "stand up for any rights that you IMAGINE you have!) Should you do this, you will be severely punished, above and beyond the punishment we have already inflicted..........and plan to inflict on you and yours.
Posted by: mikee
this guy is saying that IE 7 beta 2 is all safe to use for everyday use, is that a good idea??
[url]http://www.timesnews.net/columnArticle.dna?_StoryID=3602368[/url]
Posted by: Tyler1989
I see Corey thanks for clearing that up... I understand now.
No Mikee I dont' think any Beta is safe for anyone to use recall "MS Anti-Spyware" The first beta, it deleted Norton Products rendering systems open to attack hurting a few businesses who deployed a beta in a work envirorment.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Bets Are on Build No. 5308: While Microsoft officials had told its core of elite beta testers to expect the next Windows Vista milestone on Tuesday, February 21, it now looks as Microsoft is now planning on delivering the code later in the week.
Our sources are saying Vista Build 5308 will likely be christened the February Community Technology Preview (CTP).
It's now sounding like testers will be able to start playing with that build on Friday or Saturday. Microsoft, for its part, isn't talking publicly about its CTP plans, other than to maintain the next test build will be ready in this calendar quarter.
Posted by: Warez Monster
A Windows Vista help page has provided some insight into Microsoft's packaging plans for the next-generation Windows release due out later this year. While the company has yet to make any official announcement, Microsoft is ostensibly preparing six different editions of Windows Vista.
At the bottom of the list is Windows Starter 2007, which will likely replace the current Windows XP Starter Edition SKU. This slimmed down version of Windows does not carry the Vista branding because it will not feature the new Aero Glass interface, and is designed purely as a low-cost option for emerging markets.
Microsoft will offer two Home editions of Windows Vista. Home Basic will serve as the recommended SKU for single PC homes, largely replacing Windows XP Home Edition. Vista Home Premium, meanwhile, adds Windows Media Center functionality with TV tuner and CableCard support.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yeah but with all these version you get the regular version which most of us will see. While those in the UK will get the N Version. Which is basically Vista without the WMP installed.
Here is an idea M$. Why not ask during setup if users would like WMP installed. Wouldnt that comply with the EU? Why release 8 versions, 4 that are just without WMP when you could as easily do that.
One word. Three letters. DUH. For people who lead the industry in computer software and OS/Browser usage you might think that they would come to that solution.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft recently posted a web page designed to test the Windows Vista help system that included incomplete information about the Windows Vista product line up," a Microsoft spokesperson told me Monday morning. "This page has since been removed as it was posted prematurely and was for testing purposes only. We will share more information about the Windows Vista line up in the coming weeks."
On the now-missing page, Microsoft's final branding varied only slightly from my initial report, with one product version (Starter Edition) being renamed and one (Vista Small Business) being dropped. Based on the comments I've gotten from Microsoft, perhaps the Small Business version of Vista is indeed making a comeback.
Here are the product editions Microsoft plans to ship for Windows Vista, based on the most recent information I have:
Windows Starter 2007 (Previously Windows Vista Starter Edition). This version does not use the Vista branding because it will not include the Aero graphics display found in the Vista line of products, and will only ship in a 32-bit version.
Windows Vista Home Basic (and Home Basic N). A simple version of Windows Vista that is aimed at single PC homes. Windows Vista Home Basic is the baseline version of Windows Vista, and the version that all other product editions will build from. Home Basic N is aimed at the EU and will lack Windows Media Player.
Windows Vista Home Premium. Whole home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go. As a true superset of Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium Edition will include everything from Home Basic, as well as Media Center and Media Center Extender functionality (including Cable Card support).
Windows Vista Business (and Business N) (Previously Windows Vista Professional Edition). Windows Vista Business is roughly analogous to XP Pro today. This version is aimed at business decision makers and IT managers and generalists. Business N is aimed at the EU and will lack Windows Media Player.
Windows Vista Enterprise. Optimized for the enterprise, this version will be a true superset of Windows Vista Pro Edition. It will also include unique features such as Virtual PC, the multi-language user interface (MUI), and the Secure Startup/full volume encryption security technologies ("Cornerstone"). There is no analogous XP version for this product.
Windows Vista Ultimate. The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Business, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus other features.
Posted by: Warez Monster
According to many industry analysts and rumours posted to our Forums the Feb CTP is due today.
With a build tag expected to be 5308.x86fre.winmain_idx01.060217-2200 the CTP is likely to be near feature complete.
Microsoft yesterday invited press to a conference call at 6:30pm GMT today to talk about the Windows Vista development process. It's expected that shortly after the conference Microsoft will announce the availability of the February CTP.
Microsoft is targetting a release this year and it's widely expected to be an event that will co-inside with the 5 years that have passed since Windows XP was released. Although the company has not confirmed this officially, the next CTP is expected to be released in April.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Since this is feature complete should we be expecting that
Video Cards must be DX10, DX9 will be emulated only
All Drivers must be digitally signed to work
Posted by: THE_VERN
i didn't bother reading all 64 pages of this forum, and there was alot of talk about longhorn, what is long horn?/ is it part of vista. and does anyone know the estimated price for vista??
Posted by: mikee
NO vista is longhorn, longhorn was the code name and vista is what it is called now and when it is released.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Windows Vista is the home user OS that many of us will use, Windows Vista was origanally codenamed Longhorn.
Windows Longhorn is the Server OS for the year 2007, Longhorn may be it's name or it may be renamed not sure if Longhorn is a codename yet.
Posted by: maroon1
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]
Windows Vista Ultimate. The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Business, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus other features. [/B][/QUOTE]
i must get this one, i will get this one for free, i will get pirated version. and never waste my money.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well the new build 5308 was released to tester yesterday. ;)
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft has announced the arrival of the February Windows Vista CTP, which was renamed to "Enterprise CTP" as the company moves from monthly to audience specific naming. The release means Windows Vista is now "feature complete," offering the first glimpse at the Windows Sidebar.
In a conference call Wednesday, General Manager of Windows Client Product Management Brad Goldberg heralded the Enterprise CTP -- numbered build 5308 -- as a "call to action for businesses." Microsoft is encouraging enterprises to begin testing out new features starting today.
"Windows Vista is as much, if not more, a business focused release that will provide significant value for business customers," Goldberg said. He cited four examples of how the operating will benefit companies: deployment and support costs, security, connecting people and information, and mobile productivity
Posted by: Tyler1989
still no working NIC driver for me.
Posted by: ilovesocks
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by coreyjames66 [/i]
[B]In my humble opinion, this whole topic is just so much hoo ha.[/B][/QUOTE]
Heh, I agree corey. I was just looking through Vista's new features, as posted on Wikipedia. Here are a few gems:
[B]Internet Explorer is upgraded with support for tabbed browsing, RSS, a search box, a phishing filter, and improved standards support.[/B]
:eek: No! Internet Explorer will have [I]tabbed[/I] browsing?? This technology is way ahead of its time - it will never catch on! And a search box? What am I going to search? I already downloaded the Internet yesterday. In all seriousness, I'm glad that the spankin'-new, next generation of Windows will come with a browser that can do all the same things as the browser I'm using right now (think of a smoking-hot little animal with a bushy tail).
[B]Windows Update: Software and security updates has been simplified, now operating solely via a control panel instead of as a web application.[/B]
Wait, I thought they were giving us a new version of Internet Explorer? I guess it's still not good enough for downloading updates.
[B]Games: Every game included with Windows has been rewritten to take advantage of Vista's new graphics capabilities. New games include Chess, Mahjong Titans, Purble Place, and Hold 'Em.[/B]
Ah, finally we can all play poker with brand-new, DirectX 10-compatible graphics cards!
[B]Search: significantly faster and more thorough search capabilities, similar to what is offered by Microsoft's own Windows Desktop Search, Copernic, and Apple Computer's Spotlight. Search boxes have been added to the Start menu, Windows Explorer, and several of the applications included with Vista.[/B]
The last time I used Windows' search function, I was looking for a file that [i]it[/i] said was missing. I found it, by the way.
[B]The "My" prefix on folder names has been dropped, and "Documents and Settings" has been renamed to "Users". The "Pictures", "Movies", "Music" etc. folders now reside in the user's main directory, not under "Documents" as in previous versions of Windows.[/B]
The work that's gone into this new version of Windows is nothing to sneeze at, folks. It's things like renaming folders that make it no wonder that Vista has been delayed for so long.
And let's not forget:
[B]Touch-screen support will be included.[/B]
So that the one guy who has a touch-screen monitor can feel that warm sense of satisfaction. Seems like using a touch-screen takes more energy than moving a mouse.
Granted, there are a few useful things, such as
[B]Windows System Assessment Tool (WinSat), a built-in benchmarking tool which analyzes the different subsystems (graphics, memory, etc), and uses the results to allow for comparison to other Vista systems, and for software optimizations.[/B]
and
[b]Windows Defender: Microsoft's Anti-spyware product has been incorporated into Windows, offering protection against spyware and other threats. Changes to various system configuration settings (such as new auto-starting applications) are blocked unless the user gives consent. New version uses Windows Automatic Updates, and is compatible with the limited account.[/b]
But knowing Microsoft, the Windows Defender will probably be a weak point ripe for exploitation.
All in all, I'd say this is definitely worth a couple hundred bucks and a complete overhaul of my system. Thanks, Microsoft.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well gee since you are such an expert why dont you write us a OS that is 10x better than Vista?
Come on. It is a discussion of the stuff that is going ot be featured. Yeah we all know it isnt "innovative" or "New" but you know what- nothing is now a days.
Your little animal with a bushy tail stole the "Tabbed" browsing from Opera who in turn got it from someone else. It has been around for almost 10 years. Yet you think Firefox is the best cause it "Intorduced" it. More like made it main stream.
The other stuff like renamed folders and touch screen support. Does Linux have it by default? How about OS X? Okay thank you.
The Games-your right they are not all that special. I agree. But they are nice to see the remake instead of having Solitare from Windoew 3.1 on the next version of Windows.
But of course you know all this. How about the UAP. Where you are not allowed to install software that is considered harmful to your system? Why didnt you mention that? IT stops spywayre, malware, trojans from even being executed. But that isnt a nice feature. What about the more advanced network support? How it is easier for multiple computers to share information with just a few clicks? Not nice either.
Let me clear this up. I am not all for VIsta. I wont even get it for the first 2 years or so. But what i am saying is that is is a BETA. Which means it is not final. It may not be all that everyone hoped for but at least M$ is trying to make things the way us USERS want. Not the way they want to make it.
Vista is by far not at the top of the food chain. It did steal alot of ideas from other places. But in the computer industry nothing is "innovation" anymore. Everything has just about been done and tried out. So nothing new is really coming out.
So case in point if you dont like what Vista has to offer. DONT GET IT. Stay with XP. Dont bash something until you have complete knowledge and understanding of it. Not saying i do. But since i have tried all the builds out i can say that at least they are working to make things easier for us. Espically us Tech people. With preventing people from installing stupid software that destroies machines.
Okay i think i said enough.
Posted by: Tyler1989
You covered that very well.
As for Wiki as a source I'll go over there and change the article to "ViStA is teh l33t". Any idiot can influence Wikipedia. Look at the presidents biography for example.
The download server is under so much stress today you are lucky to push 30K and then it will disconnect you. Hurray! Best to get it in a few days after the crazy rush. For those interested in the new CTP.
Posted by: Warez Monster
NVIDIA has made available ForceWare drivers for Windows Vista February Customer Technology Preview (CTP) build 5308.FebCTP_Final.060217-2200. The current ForceWare driver is a preview release that will enable you to test the basic features and capabilities of the new operating system. This driver has no performance optimizations included and has received limited stability testing.
This driver does not include an Installshield. You must use the INF installation to install this driver by going to the Windows device manager and manually updating the graphics driver. The NVIDIA graphics control panel is not included in this driver release.
[url]http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_87.15.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_87.15.html[/url]
Posted by: mikee
Since the feature complete version of vista is out why havn't we seen any real system requirements yet? what is ms up to?
Posted by: THE_VERN
has there been a price tag on it yet?
Posted by: RockyZ
[quote]Well gee since you are such an expert why dont you write us a OS that is 10x better than Vista?[/quote]
No, I'm pretty sure no one here can write an OS as good as Bill Gates and his army of low-paid slaves. I do not see how you can even attack anyone with that statement, I cannot translate Manga better than Tokyopop, that still doesn't mean Tokyopop can translate Manga for crap.
I think I can safely say that anything that micrsoft has ever made is buggy. I understand its a BETA, therefore I will not judge it yet. But please understand, we are talking about microsoft, and they are known for crappy products, then again, I am currently using Windows XP.
I look forward to testing out this new OS but then again, my system is already outdated. Since VISTA is gonna come out in the mainstream, soon nothing will be compatiable with Windows XP anymore, and anyone who hasn't done a complete computer overhaul wouldn't be able to keep up with the newest technology.
I am hoping this is worth it, not having my hopes up.
Posted by: Makaveli213
@Mikee. They have not gotten System requirements out yet since it is still not rid of the bugs that lag the system. It is still a memory hog and that would make the requirements high. Until they solve that problem you wont see System Requirments come out.
@Vern. No you wont see a proce come out untill they can get the system specs out. For the same reason. If they have to have a high powered system run it you will see its price drop a bit but if you can get away with running it on a less powerful machine you will see the price stay high.
@RockyZ. That was my point. The indivual was Attacking Vista for it "Features". I was trying to make a point that he should not speak since he could not even do that.
Also As you stated "Everything M$ releases is Buggy" well i have to say you are wrong there. M$ is the most attacked. That is why the bugs are found. If Apple/Mac or even Linux was attacked 1/3 of the amount of M$ then you would hear so much more aobut their security holes.
I am not trying to defend Windows. I am just trying to open people's eyes. They attack a OS that every hacker and their brother, mother, father, and sister go after. To me that is like saying Gas Prices are too high when we have no oil to make it.
I dont mean to go off like this but understand. Vista is the next "Big" thing in M$'s eyes. Not in Tech's or anyone else's eyes for that matter. M$ is putting more on this than anyone. If Apple would allow thier system to dual boot with Windows flawlessly Apple would take over the industry.
Posted by: adam06
on vista, will you be able to install games like COD2 and BF2?
Posted by: ilovesocks
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Well gee since you are such an expert why dont you write us a OS that is 10x better than Vista?
Your little animal with a bushy tail stole the "Tabbed" browsing from Opera who in turn got it from someone else. It has been around for almost 10 years. Yet you think Firefox is the best cause it "Intorduced" it. More like made it main stream.
The other stuff like renamed folders and touch screen support. Does Linux have it by default? How about OS X? Okay thank you.
The Games-your right they are not all that special. I agree. But they are nice to see the remake instead of having Solitare from Windoew 3.1 on the next version of Windows.
But of course you know all this. How about the UAP. Where you are not allowed to install software that is considered harmful to your system? Why didnt you mention that? IT stops spywayre, malware, trojans from even being executed. But that isnt a nice feature. What about the more advanced network support? How it is easier for multiple computers to share information with just a few clicks? Not nice either.
Let me clear this up. I am not all for VIsta. I wont even get it for the first 2 years or so. But what i am saying is that is is a BETA. Which means it is not final. It may not be all that everyone hoped for but at least M$ is trying to make things the way us USERS want. Not the way they want to make it.[/B][/QUOTE]
Your points are all good ones - thanks for calming me down.
I know that Firefox didn't introduce tabbed browsing; I was just taking a cheap shot at Microsoft by bagging on how crappy IE is right now, and that the next version of it will [i]just[/i] be catching up to it. :D
All that other stuff (except for the gaming part) I knew. But that was a good, valid post and I thank you for it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
yes you can there is no reason why you can't. It has DX9 emulation and these games should work on both 32 and 64 bit platforms.
As for apple taking over I really don't think UNIX is the way to go though apple did an impressive job.
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ilovesocks [/i]
[B]Your points are all good ones - thanks for calming me down.
I know that Firefox didn't introduce tabbed browsing; I was just taking a cheap shot at Microsoft by bagging on how crappy IE is right now, and that the next version of it will [i]just[/i] be catching up to it. :D
All that other stuff (except for the gaming part) I knew. But that was a good, valid post and I thank you for it. [/B][/QUOTE]
I didnt mean to take a shot at you personally. I understand why the attacks are coming at Vista. I have made more than my fair share of attacks at it for the AV/Firewall business that they are talking.
You are right M$ is playing catch up with IE7 but also with IE7 in Vista it will have 256Bit encryption which is far more powerful than any browser currently on the market. It will be 2x more powerful than it currently is for security against hackers.
Like i said i have personally tried all build from 5112 up to the current build of 5308. I have seen improvements along with downsides. Games still has its downfall right now since they dont allow for DX to be installed fully. They just have the components installed needed to run the OS. I havent even been able to get Doom 3 running on my Vista system yet.
5308 has many good points and bad points from what i hear so far. Explorer is still buggy as heck. With crashes more often then not. I havent installed it yet to try. Have plans that dont allow for me to install. But when i do i will make sure to post some screens and a review.;)
Posted by: Tyler1989
You mean the download servers are cutting you off for the past day I've been suspended and resume.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well Connect Site has gone way beyond their limit on connections. They have been crashed so many times. But i dont mean that Tyler. I know a few buddies that have 5308 installed and they have said that Explorer.exe crashes more foten than it did with the previous builds. But WMP11 and the IE7 are more Stable than they have been.
Posted by: Cerulean
Looks like an awesome operating system!
Posted by: mikee
yes LOOKS like an awsome operating system but I'm just thinking its microsoft's way of trying to crush the antivirus, antispyware, and parental control software because who is going to go out and buy antivirus if it's already in windows. That is how IE became so popular, now there just trying the same thing with other software.
Posted by: EricB
MS could have dealt with the AV thing years ago. but that would stop people from making money
Posted by: waynejkruse10
by having the default user as NOT administrator
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well unless they changed things with build 5308 when you install Vista and create an Account you are not considered the Administrator. You have to reboot into safe mode and give that accoutn Admin privledges. It can be bothersome at times when you only want to install Firefox or Opera. But it is also good for the other users that dont know as well not to install things.
Posted by: Trifid
Have fun trying to work out which one is the right one for you. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4754462.stm[/url]
Why can't their be a simple Pro version. :(
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]You are right M$ is playing catch up with IE7 but also with IE7 in Vista it will have 256Bit encryption which is far more powerful than any browser currently on the market. It will be 2x more powerful than it currently is for security against hackers. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]You are kidding right?
Opera supports SSL v3.0 256bit.[/color]
Posted by: Warez Monster
Echoing the information that leaked out last week, Microsoft early Monday confirmed it will ship six different editions of Windows Vista. Two versions will be designed for businesses, three for consumers, and one for emerging markets. But will consumers welcome choice or simply be intimidated by the number of options?
As previously reported, at the bottom of the list is Windows Starter 2007, which will likely replace the current Windows XP Starter Edition SKU. This slimmed down version of Windows does not carry the Vista branding as it is designed purely as a low-cost option in specific countries.
Microsoft will offer two Home editions of Windows Vista. Home Basic will serve as the baseline SKU for single PC homes, but lacks some key features including Vista's Aero Glass user interface and integrated search technology. Customers with Basic must use a separate Search Explorer tool instead.
Posted by: cedjunior
[b]Windows Vista Home Basic[/b]: For consumers that want to simply use the PC to browse the Internet, correspond with friends and family over email or perform basic document creation and editing tasks, Windows Vista Home Basic will deliver a safer, more reliable and more productive computing environment.
[b]Windows Vista Home Premium[/b]: Will help consumers utilize mobile or desktop PC functionality more effectively while enabling the enjoyment of new, exciting digital entertainment experiences – all with the benefit of added security and reliability. Windows Vista Home Premium includes everything in Windows Vista Home Basic, plus the Windows Vista Aero™ and Media Center and Tablet PC capabilities.
[b]Windows Vista Ultimate[/b]: Windows Vista Ultimate is the edition of Windows Vista that has it all. It is the first operating system that brings together all of the consumer-oriented features available in Windows Vista Home Premium with all of the business-oriented features available in Windows Vista Business.
Two versions will cater to businesses:
[b]Windows Vista Business[/b]: For small to medium size businesses, Windows Vista Business will help keep PCs running smoothly and securely so they are less reliant on dedicated IT support. For larger organizations, Windows Vista Business will provide dramatic new infrastructure improvements that will enable IT staff to spend less time focused on day to day maintenance of PCs and more time adding strategic value to the organization.
[b]Windows Vista Enterprise[/b]: To better address the needs of large, global organizations and those with highly complex IT infrastructures, Windows Vista Enterprise is designed to significantly lower IT costs and risk. In addition to all of the features available in Windows Vista Business, Windows Vista Enterprise is designed to provide higher levels of data protection using hardware-based encryption technology.
And one version will target particularly price-sensitive parts of the world:
[b]Windows Vista Starter[/b]: Helps users in emerging technology countries be more successful by providing an affordable, easy to learn and use computing experience. It is compatible with latest applications and devices, and more reliable and secure because it is part of the Windows Vista family of products.
[URL=http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/001513.html]Other info[/URL]
Posted by: mikee
Vista has some nice screensavers the bubbles are my favorite
this is what it looks like
[URL=http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screensaver3pn.jpg][IMG]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9185/screensaver3pn.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Posted by: Virus-Code
I hate all those ******* losers who pirate software such as from microsoft they do it cause they can't ****** afford it and like i said there just losers:angry:
Posted by: Warez Monster
aawwww......who hasnt?
Posted by: mikee
Oh hey btw if your talkin to me about the pirate thing that didnt come from my computer it's just a screenshot
Posted by: Virus-Code
...sigh....just makes me think....should i turn to pirating?.....
Posted by: Warez Monster
go ahead....
Posted by: Makaveli213
@The Major- Sorry didnt realize that Opera was with SSL and 256Bit encryption. My bad on that one. Guess that is why it is my favorite browser.:)
Posted by: mikee
I'm in the market for a new computer, how do you guys think a system like this will preform with vista?
[url]http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=CPUs&product=2511363[/url]
Posted by: THE_VERN
mikee personally i would not bother with that comp. you wouldn't beable to run the 3d desktop GUI and intels conroe should be out soon after( i think) and you would was a pci-e motherboard so you could us DX10. just my two cents
Posted by: mikee
I thought that computer might work with the new gui because there is 128mb ati video card so it would meet the requirements
Posted by: EricB
don't ever use a store bought computer for yourself (with maybe the exception of sony) if you are serious about computers.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]don't ever use a store bought computer for yourself (with maybe the exception of sony) if you are serious about computers. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well what can I do besides buy a pre built store computer becausei I don't know how to build one
The one I have now I got at a store that specalizes in custom computers, all you have to do is tell them what you want out of a huge list of parts and they build it for you.
Are these places any better?
Posted by: THE_VERN
i agree with eric. never buy a store bought computer( unless it is a really crappy one that you just browse the internet with. just build one. it is fun. i can't remember the requirments for the GUI, but it was pretty high. like a 6XXX series nvidia and who cares about ATI.
Posted by: mikee
Or would I be able to get by with the system I have now if I just upgrade the video card to somethin like a 6600GT and add a bigger hard drive?
Posted by: THE_VERN
what is your CPU socket type and you graphics slot?, haha you could really use a new video card!!
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Your current system will do fine. You will have to upgrade the graphics card for fancy GUI stuff.[/color]
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Socket A & AGP 4x probably.[/color]
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Well what can I do besides buy a pre built store computer becausei I don't know how to build one
The one I have now I got at a store that specalizes in custom computers, all you have to do is tell them what you want out of a huge list of parts and they build it for you.
Are these places any better? [/B][/QUOTE]
we can walk you through building a computer here.
the problem with store bought computer like dell, gateway , and compaq is they will restrict your potential power of their parts to keep returns low and they put in sheap generic parts in that you can't upgrade.
for instance (2002), I once had a gateway 2.4 512 64meg video card 80 hdd.
my amd 1200 with 384 ram 64meg video card 70 (2 hdd) was way faster with everything except video editing
a home built computer will alway run circles around a similar spec store built computer.
Posted by: THE_VERN
i really think you should build your own system. it is a fun experince.
Posted by: THE_VERN
PM if you need anyhelp at all.
Posted by: TheMajor
[url]http://www.pcmech.com/byopc/[/url]
Posted by: mikee
thanks for the link
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]There's more of them. Use Google.
All you need to know is where all the different parts fit.[/color]
Posted by: Warez Monster
Mere days after the Windows Vista February CTP (5308.17) was released to testers, Microsoft have released a revised version of Build 5308 (5308.60).
It has been reported that the build is considerably more stable, smoother, and faster, and without some of the memory leakage issues that certain users will have experienced while using the .17 build. The new revised build is available for Vista beta testers to download via MS Connect. The release is an unstaged package this time round.
[url]http://connect.microsoft.com/[/url]
Posted by: Warez Monster
Yesterday Microsoft released information about how Windows Vista will be packaged when it’s ready for retail delivery later this year. (The press release, unfortunately, is written in very broad strokes. I hope Microsoft publishes a detailed feature matrix soon.)
When the rumors of Vista versions first began flying several months ago, I read many complaints about the potential for mass confusion among Windows consumers. Now that the official announcement is out, those fears seem overblown.
Set aside the Starter version, which is designed for use on cheap PCs in emerging markets (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, India, and many more) and won’t be sold in the U.S., Europe, and other major markets. Forget about the N versions, too - those are the Media Player-free versions the European Commission required Microsoft to make available to OEMs as part of its antitrust decree, and they’ve been a spectacular flop in the marketplace.
With those oddballs out of the way, the mix of Windows Vista products is down to a mere five. Not eight, seven, or even six. Five. Retail customers have four choices:
Windows Vista Home Basic is for cost-conscious PC buyers who want basic functionality without a lot of extras. It uses the simplified Vista user interface and doesn’t support DVD burning or Media Center features. This version will probably end up on the entry-level PCs for every major manufacturer, with encouragements to upsell.
Windows Vista Business adds the Aero interface, support for Tablet PCs, integrated desktop search, and other goodies. It’s not clear whether it includes Media Center features, but given its positioning – small to medium-size businesses that lack IT departments – it’s reasonable to assume that those pieces aren’t there. I expect to see this SKU as the baseline Windows Vista offering on entry-level PCs pitched at business customers.
Windows Vista Home Premium adds the Aero interface, integrated desktop search, Media Center features, and support for DVD burners. It’s unclear whether it supports Tablet PCs, but I’m guessing it doesn’t. This will be the default installation for most mid-range PCs. In fact, it's a simple test: If the computer has a DVD burner, it will probably get Home Premium.
Windows Vista Ultimate is positioned as the one that “has it all.” It includes all the features in the other retail versions as well as corporate features like BitLocker drive encryption. Is it a complete superset of the Enterprise edition? That’s not yet clear.
Before you start envisioning customers standing, in hopeless confusion, in an aisle at CompUSA trying to decide which box to buy, remember that roughly 9 out of 10 copies of Windows are sold with new PCs. For the most part, PC makers will make the choice that matches the hardware and will do their level best to sell upgrades. Those rare consumers who do buy a retail box generally tend to be enthusiasts who will naturally gravitate to the Home Premium and Ultimate versions.
Corporate customers who have PCs covered by Microsoft Software Assurance or a Microsoft Enterprise Agreement have it easiest of all: They get one version, Windows Vista Enterprise, which includes BitLocker encryption, Virtual PC Express, and the Aero interface. The idea is to give corporate customers a single image that they can customize and deploy to meet their own needs.
The biggest change of all? One retail DVD includes all four versions. The product key, which is entered at the beginning of the installation process, determines which version gets installed. That’s potentially very good news for retail customers, who should be able to use any Windows Vista media to reinstall the operating system (provided they haven’t lost the product key).
One aspect of this architecture that I haven’t read much discussion about yet is the very easy upgrade scenario. With a single media source, it should be possible for a Windows user to upgrade to a more feature-rich version without a lot of hassle. Buy a new product key from a retailer or direct from Microsoft (the price would depend on the specifics of the upgrade – jumping from Home Basic to Ultimate would incur a bigger price than going from Basic to Home Premium or from Home Premium to Ultimate).
If the upgrade premium is low enough, this could be the ultimate upsell opportunity. You want Media Center features? Buy a $50 upgrade, get the product ID via e-mail, and install the new version from your existing media. For that matter, you could upgrade a handful of computers on a home or small business network with one DVD and a quick visit to an online license reseller.
I’ve got the latest beta release of Windows Vista Ultimate installed here now. Over the next day or two I plan to install all four retail versions so I can do a useful feature matrix. Stay tuned.
[url]http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1269[/url]
Posted by: mikee
will the non glass look like this (see pic) if I don't get a new video card?
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/4821/vistahomeb5308032pe.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes that is how it is going to look on unsupported cards.
But from what M$ is saying Vista will only support DX10 which is still in development and the hardware that can handle it wont be out till around the same time as Vista.
So i wouldnt go out and buy a new Video Card just yet. Not until a few details get totally cleared up on the whole DX9-DX10 issues.
Posted by: EricB
how will it look with a new card?
Posted by: Makaveli213
[URL=http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5231desk20eg.jpg][IMG]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5643/5231desk20eg.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=523132io.jpg][IMG]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1432/523132io.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=523128rc.jpg][IMG]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3432/523128rc.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Those are some of my old screenshots of Vista build 5231. That is how Vista looks with the Glass Effect active.
Posted by: maroon1
Does my video card nvidia 6600 (not GT) support glass Effect ??
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Below a list of cards supported by the 32bit drivers from Nvidia. I don't know if the support is limited by the drivers or the cards. I have a TI4200 wich is not supported. But I also have an FX5200, wich is. But the card sucks.
GeForce FX 5100
GeForce FX 5200
GeForce FX 5200LE
GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
GeForce FX 5500
GeForce FX 5600
GeForce FX 5600 Ultra
GeForce FX 5600SE
GeForce FX 5600XT
GeForce FX 5700
GeForce FX 5700VE
GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
GeForce FX 5700LE
GeForce FX 5800
GeForce FX 5800 Ultra
GeForce FX 5900
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra
GeForce FX 5900XT
GeForce FX 5900ZT
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra
GeForce PCX 5300
GeForce PCX 5750
GeForce PCX 5900
GeForce 6100
GeForce 6150 LE
GeForce 6150
GeForce 6200
GeForce 6200 with TurboCache
GeForce 6200SE with TurboCache
GeForce 6500
GeForce 6600
GeForce 6600 LE
GeForce 6600 VE
GeForce 6600 GT
GeForce 6610 XL
GeForce 6800
GeForce 6800 LE
GeForce 6800 XE
GeForce 6800 XT
GeForce 6800 GS
GeForce 6800 GT
GeForce 6800 Ultra
GeForce 7300 LE
GeForce 7300 GS
GeForce 7800 GS
GeForce 7800 GT
GeForce 7800 GTX
GeForce 7800 GTX 512
Quadro FX 350
Quadro FX 500
Quadro FX 540
Quadro FX 600
Quadro FX 700
Quadro FX 1000
Quadro FX 1100
Quadro FX 1300
Quadro FX 1400
Quadro FX 2000
Quadro FX 3000
Quadro FX 3000G
Quadro FX 3400
Quadro FX 3450
Quadro FX 4000 SDI
Quadro FX 4400
Quadro FX 4500
Quadro NVS 285
Quadro NVS 440[/color]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Those are the same cards that were originally supported by nVidia and the ones that are supported by the newest driver that was released for the Feb CTP.
[url]http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_87.15.html[/url]
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]What do you mean by originally? Many old cards are missing. No geforce 1-4, no TNT's.[/color]
Posted by: Makaveli213
There were Beta Drivers released by nVidia back in July of 2005 when Beta 1 of Vista hit. They had the same cards supported back then as they do now.
Basically if your card is not DX9 (note i dont mean DX9 compatable) then you probably wont be able to get the "Glass Effects" without some kinda workaround.
I was able to find the workaround for build 5231. There was a registry hack that i did. There are ways to get the glass effects to work on some non-supported cards. I just dont know them all off hand.
Posted by: mikee
someone will probably create a patch to enable glass on old cards shortly after vista comes out.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well for some cards it will work. But the effects use a lot of resources. So even if they do patch it you still might not want to use it. Since all it will do is bog your system down. ;)
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft has made no bones about its strategy to convince users to upgrade to more function-rich (and pricey, we assume) versions of Windows, as one of its strategies to keep the Windows coffers full. With Vista, the Redmondians are planning to implement a built-in upgrade mechanism, known as Windows Anytime Upgrade, right into the Windows operating system. Anytime Upgrade will allow customers to move to higher-end SKUs by obtaining a license from one of Microsoft's partners' Web sites.
[url]http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1933827,00.asp[/url]
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Microsoft has made no bones about its strategy to convince users to upgrade to more function-rich (and pricey, we assume) versions of Windows, as one of its strategies to keep the Windows coffers full. With Vista, the Redmondians are planning to implement a built-in upgrade mechanism, known as Windows Anytime Upgrade, right into the Windows operating system. Anytime Upgrade will allow customers to move to higher-end SKUs by obtaining a license from one of Microsoft's partners' Web sites.
[url]http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1933827,00.asp[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
In a way that's going to be horrible for micro$oft because people will find ways to hack the system and get ultimate upgrade for free.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well since all you have to do is buy the Starter Edition or the cheapest one available, then use a crack or whatever to get the Ultimate Edition.
So you are right Mikee. This could be some very bad news for Windows Vista. Will make it a nice and quick target for hackers after its release.
Posted by: NewVincent
I have some stupid questions.
Minimum system specs for Vista?
Will microsoft offer a version to upgrade from xp pro?
will ge force 5200 card support its graphics?
Thanks
Nv
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NewVincent [/i]
[B]I have some stupid questions.
Minimum system specs for Vista?
Will microsoft offer a version to upgrade from xp pro?
will ge force 5200 card support its graphics?
Thanks
Nv [/B][/QUOTE]
Minimum specs: I dunno but I've run it on my system (see sig)
but glass didn't work due to my video card beng slightly old
the 5200 will support it because the miimum for glass is 5100 i think.
Posted by: mikee
does anyone know if M$ is going to make upgrade versons of vista to upgrade from xp, or if we can just upgrade using the full versions?
Posted by: Warez Monster
Windows Vista won't have a backdoor that could be used by police forces to get into encrypted files, Microsoft has stressed. In February, a BBC News story suggested that the British government was in discussions with Microsoft over backdoor access to the operating system. A backdoor is a method of bypassing normal authentication to gain access to a computer without to the PC user knowing. But Microsoft has now quelled the suggestion that law enforcement might get such access.
Posted by: THE_VERN
Will we be able to buy a OEM for vista like we can for XP, or will it take awhile?
Posted by: maroon1
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Well since all you have to do is buy the Starter Edition or the cheapest one available, then use a crack or whatever to get the Ultimate Edition.
So you are right Mikee. This could be some very bad news for Windows Vista. Will make it a nice and quick target for hackers after its release. [/B][/QUOTE]
why should i buy starter edition then use a crack to get the ultimate edition, u can download Ultimate Edition from Bittorrent for free without buying anything
Posted by: Makaveli213
Because maroon with the new activation you might not be able to keep it for long. This way at least you have something to fall back on. ;)
But who knows they might actually get the workaround for the activation working again sometime.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft revealed today that it will not support EFI booting for Windows Vista on its launch.
The news will be a shock for owners of Intel Macs who had hoped they would be able to dual-boot between Windows Vista and OS X. Intel Macs only support booting via EFI.
Speaking at Intel Developer Forum San Francisco, Microsoft development manager, Andrew Ritz, also revealed that there will never be any support for booting Windows via EFI on systems with 32-bit processors.
Although Microsoft has previously said EFI booting would be supported by Vista, Ritz admitted that EFI support won't be seen in any version of Windows until the release of Longhorn Server.
Posted by: mikee
I hope MS fixes their new windows media player 11 because without glass on it looks absolutly horrible.
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2217/original29qk.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Dont worry mikee. It doesnt look that much better with glass. The only thing the glass effects are the windows borders. The rest looks exactly the same.
Posted by: mikee
I think they should have made a more attractive basic theme for those people who's video cards don't support the glass.
Posted by: Makaveli213
I have to agree with you. But the glass doesnt fully go thru the whole window. I have seen versions that are "hacked" to make it look like glass but that isnt how they are by default. But i do think this is a bit better looking than WMP10. It isnt all that great but it is better than the old look.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft confirmed reports that at least the initial Intel Macs from Apple would not support Windows Vista, telling BetaNews Friday that its next generation operating system would not support the EFI boot process being used by the new systems.
Apple decided to use Intel's new Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) over the older Basic Input Output System (BIOS). As previously reported by BetaNews, Windows XP cannot run on the Macs due to its lack of EFI support, however Windows Vista was expected to change that.
While Vista would support EFI, Microsoft has only decided to do so for 64-bit CPUs. The Intel processors being used with the first-generation Intel Macs have all been 32-bit.
The decision by the Redmond company is also a blow to Intel, which has been attempting to push EFI as a more flexible and modern successor to BIOS. Being that it is a major change, adoption has been slow in the market, and now with shaky Microsoft support widespread use of EFI could be delayed further.
Posted by: Tyler1989
No worries for me then...
Posted by: Warez Monster
Internet Explorer isn't the only application to enjoy a resurgence in Windows Vista, Microsoft is readying a new desktop e-mail client that will be integrated into Windows Live and eventually replace Outlook Express.
Dubbed Windows Live Mail Desktop, the product is currently in beta testing.
As IE development stagnated following the release of Windows XP, Outlook Express -- Microsoft's free e-mail client suffered a similar fate.
The OE team returned to update the product for Vista under the name Windows Mail, and is now expanding that work with a completely
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Internet Explorer isn't the only application to enjoy a resurgence in Windows Vista, Microsoft is readying a new desktop e-mail client that will be integrated into Windows Live and eventually replace Outlook Express.
Dubbed Windows Live Mail Desktop, the product is currently in beta testing.
As IE development stagnated following the release of Windows XP, Outlook Express -- Microsoft's free e-mail client suffered a similar fate.
The OE team returned to update the product for Vista under the name Windows Mail, and is now expanding that work with a completely [/B][/QUOTE]
isnt that just windows mail now?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yeah it basically the same thing. They will just update it in the future so it wont be so much like OE.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft on Thursday updated the preview version of its OneCare security software with anti-spyware technology, a slight name change and bug fixes.
OneCare marks Microsoft's long-anticipated entry into the consumer antivirus market. The product combines antivirus, anti-spyware and firewall software with backup features and several tune-up tools for Windows PCs. It will be sold online and in stores, starting in June, Microsoft has said.
As OneCare hits the homestretch, Microsoft is putting the final touches on the product. The "beta refresh" released Thursday adds anti-spyware functionality to the software, the one main feature that wasn't yet part of the beta product. The anti-spyware features come from Windows Defender, Microsoft's anti-spyware application that's also in beta.
Posted by: Warez Monster
There have been rumors galore about exactly when Microsoft plans to ship Windows Vista. We've heard everything from August to October.
Microsoft spokespeople have favored a "latter half of 2006" due-date answer, when asked.
But from the "Official Microsoft Connections" event blog we now have an official month: It's November, folks.
Just in case the post disappears, here's what it says: "This is the year… the year that Microsoft releases the newest version of Windows. Yes, Vista will be released in November of this year."
The release-to-manufacturing date will be earlier, obviously. We'd say early fall, if we were wagering.
Posted by: mikee
What s the difference between it being released to manufacturing and released?
Posted by: Warez Monster
Despite claims that it has "paused" development on the product, Microsoft delivered an updated CTP of Expression Graphic Designer -- formerly known as Acrylic -- over the weekend, along with a refreshed build of its Interactive Designer tool.
Expression Graphic Designer has been hyped as a rival to Adobe's Photoshop, but Microsoft has designed the product to specifically take advantage of the new display capabilities in Windows Vista. Graphic Designer outputs into the XAML file format that is natively supported by Vista's Presentation Foundation.
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=565CAFC7-343F-4927-ABD1-8BBF6E7E01DE&displaylang=en[/url]
Posted by: tommyboy123x
hate to switch the topic so suddenly, but does anyone know about the HD support... i heard somewhere that you were going to have to buy a new monitor in order to play videos in hd... is this true or another crazy rumor?
Posted by: Tyler1989
Some say it is some say it isn't. That is one of the issues best left to the time the final product is released in my opinion.
Posted by: Warez Monster
According to my sources, Microsoft will soon ship an unexpected "refresh build" of Windows Vista to its technical beta testers and some corporate customers. Previously, the company had been shipping only semi-monthly Community Technical Preview (CTP) builds of Vista to testers and other audiences, including MSDN subscribers. The refresh build is currently build 5342, I'm told. It will require different product keys than the previous CTP.
[url]http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=49695&feed=rss&subj=0[/url]
Posted by: tommyboy123x
[quote]Microsoft originally expected to ship a CTP build in April, though that release could slip until May, according to sources. That CTP should be made available to the public via Web downloads.[/quote]
that last part... made availible to the public via web downloads...... what is that about? do they mean it will be released to the public as in people like me who are unofficial beta testers or only people like MSDN subscribers?
Posted by: Makaveli213
Yes tommyboy that is exactly what they mean. You just fill out a small survey to get a serial then you can download it and try it out without being a tester like you have to be now.
It is like the IE7 Beta 2 that they released recently.
Posted by: TylerJones
Im looking forward to the new GUI, with the glassy kind of look and the search feature. Almost makes Windows look like Mac OSX.
Also, its supposed to have AI, by detection of hardware failure, restart manager, etc.
Pretty interesting operating system....Looking forward to it :)
Posted by: crazlunatic
I personally think that Microsoft should at least make an OS that is worth more than 50% of the dollars you pay for.
XP is an improvement from 2000 / 98 / ME but by how much?
I remember seeing it in stores for 500 CAD when it first came out. It's not even worth that much!
Vista looks promising, but doesn't sound so.
I just want though, less crashes, better system restore utilities, and a really fast OS.
Hope MS pulls it through ^_^
Posted by: Fatal1ty
Hah! Be careful what you wish for. I have been beta testing Vits for quite some time now. IMHO its doing ok, could be better, but ok. So far IE 7 is really pathetic. Still crashes alot. I do like Vista's fast boot. (Power on in 2 sec. Power off in 2 Sec.) I'm looking forward to Beta2 when the Start menu icon will change. :)
Posted by: M733mhz
I'm sorry but the day I have to upgrade my GAMING PC to run an operating system is the day the terrorists have won. The minimun specs that have been floating around this thread better not be even close to reality. Vista sounds like alot of new flashy surfaces and no real new features from what I've read. I can do without quicker booting, sure it'd be nice but I don't really care how long it takes my computer to boot up. The screen caps looked pretty nice but what's the idea behind the gigantic clock? That thing looks like it should have a cartoonized version of Flava flave standing behind it. I don't want to come off as completely hating this before it even comes out but the price tag is turning me off too. I'm sure it will be a better OS than XP but after the price tag of the OS itself and the possible upgrading to my system, I'll keep my XP pro. I really don't like the idea of my games lagging because my video card is too busy trying to render my windows to look like glass at some stupid resolution, no thanks. I'll take function over looks anyday, I just hope it doesn't end up being all eye candy and no performance.
Posted by: mikee
What is vista going to cost?
Posted by: M733mhz
So far it's been estimated (In this thread) at 2-3 hundred USD.
Posted by: mikee
WHAT!!!! I remember reading somewhere that vista will cost significantly less than xp to reduce the ammount of people pirating the os.
Posted by: Makaveli213
That is only for the Starter edition. Also the proces have not been announced. This is all speculation. Nothing is final. There was talk of Vista going to be $99 but that was only talk. Nothing came from it.
Just remember no announcement has been made by M$ yet on the price or date of Vista. It is all speculation right now.
Posted by: gameover
how can u get vista. And Warez Monster did u get it for free
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]I hope I will have a new system by the time they release Vista.[/color]
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheMajor [/i]
[B][color=darkred]I hope I will have a new system by the time they release Vista.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
Same here but I don't know whether to upgrade the one I have now with a new video card and vista or just buy a new computer with vista and chuck this one off an overpass.
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Same here but I don't know whether to upgrade the one I have now with a new video card and vista or just buy a new computer with vista and chuck this one off an overpass. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]You should build yourself a nice system. I am not gonna upgrade my card for Vista. I would only upgrade it for games.[/color]
Posted by: mikee
I don't know how to build a computer (yet) but I might get something like a 6600GT in the one I have now because they will be dirt cheap by time vista comes out and a big hard drive. I don't need the very best gaming as long as games play decent.
Posted by: drumerdudeman
how did you guys get vista on your pc. i want to try it out on my computer but im not sure how to get a copy of the ctp
Posted by: mikee
DL it off bittorrent
Posted by: mikee
Microsoft to Delay Windows Vista Release
By ALLISON LINN, AP Business Writer 46 minutes ago
SEATTLE - Microsoft Corp. will delay the consumer release of its new Windows operating system until January 2007, missing the holiday sales season and throwing some PC makers and retailers into turmoil.
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The delay in Windows Vista — caused by Microsoft needing more time to enhance security and other functions — will come as a blow to Microsoft partners who were looking forward to a new operating system to boost holiday sales.
Windows Vista is Microsoft's first major update to the company's flagship operating system since
Windows XP was released in late 2001.
"It's not the optimal situation, to be launching the next-generation version of Windows right after the big holdiay sales season," said analyst Joe Wilcox with Jupiter Research.
The company will release some versions of the new operating system for big businesses by November as planned, but the consumer version will be postponed until January, said Jim Allchin, co-president of the Microsoft division that includes Windows.
He said the decision to delay the release came after Microsoft realized that Vista would be completed several weeks later than originally planned, largely because of efforts to improve security in the new system.
That delay was enough for some retailers, computer makers and other corporate partners to say they would have trouble preparing for the holiday season.
"The fact is that we wanted everybody in the industry to be ready for this," Allchin told journalists and analysts in a conference call.
Posted by: tommyboy123x
^^^^^ bummer... i was gonna ask for it for x-mas :p ^^^^^^^
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Yes tommyboy that is exactly what they mean. You just fill out a small survey to get a serial then you can download it and try it out without being a tester like you have to be now.
It is like the IE7 Beta 2 that they released recently. [/B][/QUOTE]
does anyone know more about this yet.... latelly xp has been crashing a ton and i can't help but think reformatting and putting vista on it could not hurt it anymore
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well i would highly suggest you just format and reinstall XP. Vista is still in the Beta stages and with the announcement that it is delayed that only makes it worse. Vista doesnt allow for all apps that work on XP to install on it. Vista doesnt have full driver support. Also Vista doenst have a firewall/av that fully works with it.
Posted by: gameover
Yo if i instal vista will it be on the add and remove programs or will I need to reformat my computer to get rid of it
Posted by: Makaveli213
Vista is a OS. Cant just install it like a game. You would have to format your PC to install it. Unless you have a partition available to install it on.
It wont be on you add/remove apps since you cant just install it under XP. You have to install it on its own. This is to take place of XP no to install under it.
No offense Gameover but if you dont know this about Operating Systems then i would steer clear of Vista for now. Too many bugs in it to try and get it to work right.
I just installed 5308 myself. Not to shabby. WMP11 crashed everytime i tried to run a movie. IE7 was okay. Other than that the same options i seen since Beta 1.
Posted by: gameover
Thanx man. Im still a bit of a noob to this lol. Thanx for the advice and I will take your word and forget about it. I fort being a beta it was like a trial kinda thing. So maybe you would of been able to unistall
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well this is still a buggy Beta. But it isnt like a uninstall. It would have to be a format and reinstall.
Best bet wait till Vista gets closer to launch. Then it wont have as many issues. Plus Vista sucks at games right now. ;)
Posted by: gameover
realy man taking your advice and staying a bit clear. Hopefuly being on this forum everyday will bring me some computer friends and some real big knolege of computers.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Hey anyway i can help. Just ask. I can be reached via MSN, this forum, my forum, email. I will help guide you along if you wish. Along with Warez. He is a great guy that knows his stuff. ;)
Posted by: gameover
thanx man will always ask for your help if the forum can't help me. Thanx man
Posted by: Makaveli213
Not a problem. I am here to help.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft has officially announced the release date of Windows Vista. Windows Vista will be made officially to consumers in January 2007, while making Windows Vista available to businesses only in November 2006. In addition, there will be a feature complete Beta 2 CTP released in the next quarter. "...we need a few more weeks, quality is paramount", said Jim Allchin, co-president, Platforms & Services Division, Microsoft regarding the delay.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]Microsoft has officially announced the release date of Windows Vista. Windows Vista will be made officially to consumers in January 2007, while making Windows Vista available to businesses only in November 2006. In addition, there will be a feature complete Beta 2 CTP released in the next quarter. "...we need a few more weeks, quality is paramount", said Jim Allchin, co-president, Platforms & Services Division, Microsoft regarding the delay. [/B][/QUOTE]
this is what, the 20th time that the moved it back?
Posted by: ShoobieRat
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]this is what, the 20th time that the moved it back? [/B][/QUOTE]
Who cares. I'd rather have them move it back and get it right, than push it out too early before things have been fixed.
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShoobieRat [/i]
[B]Who cares. I'd rather have them move it back and get it right, than push it out too early before things have been fixed. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]same[/color]
Posted by: gameover
Yeah wait until its correct. Don't do a troditional microsoft and bring it out early and mess up
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
so does that mean the g80 and r580 will also be delayed because they support DX10?? jesus...2007... ahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuitarFreak1857 [/i]
[B]so does that mean the g80 and r580 will also be delayed because they support DX10?? jesus...2007... ahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
it will be out in jan 2009
the reason it is being delayed doesn't have anything to do with it not being ready.
it has to do with the government (mainly the british government) complaining that's it too secure. they had made it so that nobody could unencrypt the encrypted files. but a lot of high ranking people don't like that feature
so MS has to go back to the drawing board and make it so that the governments can unencrypt those files
Posted by: maroon1
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuitarFreak1857 [/i]
[B]so does that mean the g80 and r580 will also be delayed because they support DX10?? jesus...2007... ahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
R580 is already out, it is X1900, and it just support DX9.0. R600 (and g80 aswell) are the ones going to support DX10
Posted by: ShoobieRat
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuitarFreak1857 [/i]
[B]so does that mean the g80 and r580 will also be delayed because they support DX10?? jesus...2007... ahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Someone get the tranqs...
Posted by: GuitarFreak1857
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maroon1 [/i]
[B]R580 is already out, it is X1900, and it just support DX9.0. R600 (and g80 aswell) are the ones going to support DX10 [/B][/QUOTE]
yea sorry i couldnt remember for ATI.....
Posted by: Warez Monster
According to bink.nu who cites an unknown Microsoft Employee from the Windows Vista Newsgroups, a new build of Windows Vista is due today.
Paul Thurrott has confirmed the build as 5342 and release date over on his FAQ for Vista pages.
The new build is expected to be released to testers on Connect later today and MSDN subscribers.
Windows Vista suffered its latest delay this week as Microsoft announced Vista will not be available for OEM's and Retail outlets until January 2007. This huge set back and re-organisation of the Windows Client Division will cause significant issues for OEM's and Businesses.
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]60% Of Windows Vista Code To Be Rewritten
David Richards - Friday, 24 March 2006
Up to 60% of the code in the new consumer version of Microsoft new Vista operating system is set to be rewritten as the Company "scrambles" to fix internal problems a Microsoft insider has confirmed to SHN.
In an effort to meet a dealine of the 2007 CES show in Las Vegas Microsoft has pulled programmers from the highly succesful Xbox team to help resolve many problems associated with entertainment and media centre functionality inside the OS. The team are also working closely with engineers from the Intel Viiv team. and it is now expected that the next version of Viiv could be delayed to line up with the launch of the consumer version of Vista at the 2007 CES Show in Las Vegas.
One of the key components of the consumer version of Vista is the Media Centre code. This will be an optional package in the same way that Microsoft currently sell a Professional and Home version of XP. With Vista there will not be a seperate Media Centre SKU.
Microsoft has also admitted that it has major problems in it's Windows division and has has immediatly initiated a total restructure of the division, a move that comes after a costly delay in rolling out its Vista program.
The company has said that it is restructuring its Platforms & Services Division and 'enhancing' the leadership team. At the heart of the changes is the elevation of Steven Sinofsky to senior vice president of the Windows and Windows Live Group. 'Steven`s leadership, management and technical skills are well documented and evident in the kinds of products he ships and the type of work environment he creates,' said Ray Ozzie, Microsoft`s chief technology officer.
'I`m looking forward to working with Steven and his team in delivering software-based services that extend the value of our offerings by providing a more seamless connection between our desktop products and the Web.' Analysts estimate that Microsoft`s delays in releasing the next generation of its operating system, known as Vista, have cost it about $500 million.
An internal memo written by Kevin Johnson the Co-President of the Windows division has revealed the changes that the Windows division faces. The text of the memo follows:
"Aligning PSD for Growth and Agility."
From: Kevin Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:01 AM
To: Platforms & Services Division
Cc: Executive Staff
Subject: Aligning PSD for Growth and Agility
Since taking on my new role last September, I've spent quite a bit of time focused on how best to position the Platforms and Services Division (PSD) for the future. I want to share with you some of that thinking and some new changes we are undertaking today.
We continue to see a strong wave of innovation from Microsoft making its way to market. PSD is a big part of this wave. The recent launches from our Server and Tools business, including SQL Server 2005, Visual Studio 2005, BizTalk 2006 and Windows Server R2, have been well received by customers and partners, and the team is now focused on Longhorn Server. The Windows client team continues to drive forward on Windows Vista with the latest CTP that was released in February. The MSN division continues to deliver new innovation such as Live Mail, Live Messenger, our constantly improving search offerings and many other Windows Live offerings. MSN itself has enabled new channels and content and continues to expand. All of these product and service releases are evidence of a strong wave of innovation and momentum in the market.
Over the last few months, I've made it a priority to listen to what's on people's minds. I have had the opportunity to conduct more than one hundred 1:1's and have met with over 2,000 of you at all-hands meetings and roundtables. Not surprisingly some common themes have emerged. Your questions, concerns and feedback, taken together with the dialogue within our leadership team pointed to the need to address three key questions for our division:
What are the next steps for advancing our vision of software + services?
Are there growth opportunities upon which we should be more focused? How can we be more agile?
As our current product pipeline hits the market, it's a good time to lay the foundation for the future of PSD. I have been working with Jim Allchin and other PSD leaders to establish an organization that positions us for the future. This has been a very collaborative process and we have considered many options. The PSD organization changes we are announcing today are driven by the following objectives which are rooted in the input I've received from so many of you:
1. Software + Services: Position for the next wave of innovation relative to our vision for Windows Live. Ray Ozzie and I continue to work closely to advance the Live vision announced last November. End-to-end scenarios that enable seamless experiences across client, server, and services are critical for all customers, and Windows Vista + Windows Live begins to address this vision. Utilizing services as a distribution vehicle for user experiences enables us to embrace the concept of software + service and deliver innovation to market faster. Doing this requires us to think about the Windows Live platform as a key to the value proposition we deliver to developers. These changes provide clear connections with Ray and his team to help shape the Live platform, Live experiences and the marketing that supports Windows Live.
2. Growth: Focus on the key growth opportunities ahead of us, specifically online advertising, emerging markets, and enterprise computing infrastructure. Our Server & Tools business has shown strong growth over the last few years, and has great opportunities to continue that momentum. Windows Client has growth opportunities in premium offerings, new solutions for emerging markets, and in reducing unlicensed PCs. Certainly the upcoming launch of Windows Vista will spark a new wave of growth across our broader industry and partner ecosystem. Analysts predict the online advertising industry will grow to $35B+ by 2008 which creates opportunity for our MSN and Windows Live businesses.
3. Agility: Lay the foundation for accelerating our pace of innovation, including focusing on ways to improve clarity of decision making, drive greater accountability, and reduce layers in the organization so we can move faster. It also means utilizing existing expertise within the division to embrace services -- and rapid release cycles that services can enable -- to all aspects of our business. Our software + service approach and the expertise we have built in MSN can support innovation agility as we enable the Live era.
As part of the next step of Jim's transition, we discussed when it was appropriate to move his direct reports to me, and decided that this organization change was the right time. Jim's overall partnership role with me in running PSD will not be changing.
The PSD leadership team I've put in place to align against these key objectives includes:
Steven Sinofsky, SVP Engineering, Windows and Windows Live Group
Brian Valentine, SVP COSD
Blake Irving, CVP, Windows Live Platform Group
David Cole, SVP, Online Business Group
Yusuf Mehdi, SVP, Chief Advertising Strategist
Mike Sievert, CVP Windows Client Marketing
Will Poole, SVP Market Expansion Group
Bob Muglia, SVP Server and Tools Business Group
Sanjay Parthasarathy, CVP Developer and Platform Evangelism
Brent Callinicos, CFO and CVP Finance Group
Rick Thompson, CVP supporting a special assignment
Darryn Dieken, Technical Assistant
Brian "Skip" Schipper, GM Human Resources
Mary Snapp, CVP and Deputy General Counsel, Legal and Corporate Affairs
I know change is never easy but I truly appreciate the focus that people throughout PSD have on innovation and the wave of products and services our team is delivering to the marketplace is impressive. These changes are intended to help us increase our agility, embrace the concept of software + services, and position us for an exciting future together.
Let's continue to impress customers and partners with our innovation, and drive satisfaction to levels we've never achieved before. Let's also stay focused on our priorities as we make this transition and align our organization for the future.
For those of you who will be on campus in Redmond on Friday, March 24, I hope you can join me in person, in B33/McKinley Room, from 10:00 - 11:00am. The meeting will start promptly at 10:00 a.m., so please plan on arriving a few minutes early to ensure you get a seat.
I hope everyone else will watch the webcast, which will be streamed live on the intranet and archived there for later viewing. Whether you attend in person or via the Net, you can submit your questions to [email]execqa@microsoft.com[/email] before the meeting begins. Thank you for your contribution and your continued focus on innovation and our customers.
Kevin[/color]
Posted by: ShoobieRat
Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is real concerned about a $500-mil cost.
Anyway, let'em delay all they want. If it's not gonna come out till next year, so be it. The XP and Server2k3 environments are running reasonably well, and plenty well enough to hold out till 2007. Let them take the time to get things right.
Posted by: Warez Monster
We have good news to report (when don't we?) Windows Vista Build 5342 has just been released to both testers and MSDN subscribers.
The Download is now available vis-à-vis Microsoft Connect under the downloads page. More good news, Build 5342 is once again available for both X86 and X64 users.
It is not yet known what the new featues in this build are or if it is the official Beta 2, however we will be updating this article with more information as soon as it is released.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Microsoft slammed an article by Australian technology publication Smart House on Friday, calling it "speculation." The retort came as a result of a story that cited sources within the company saying as much as 60 percent of Vista code needs to be rewritten.
The article claimed that the Redmond company had to transfer developers from the Xbox team to the Windows division in order to ensure the Vista makes it to a CES 2007 release. Much of the article centered on issues with the Media Center and multimedia functionality, and claimed Intel was assisting Microsoft in rushing out the new code.
Relatively unknown outside Australia before this week, Smart House made waves in the blogosphere and throughout the Apple enthusiast community with a story on Tuesday. In that article, the publication cited an unnamed BenQ executive as saying among Taiwanese manufacturers, the existence of an Apple "iPhone" is "common knowledge."
"This is speculation with no demonstrable basis in fact," a Microsoft spokesperson told BetaNews on Friday. "There aren't any Xbox developers moving over to the Windows Vista team," he said, disputing the core premise of the story.
Representatives with Intel could not be reached for comment.
Microsoft said that Vista is "feature complete," which means that the code writing process is basically over. "The next phase of development focuses on security, testing and fit/finish - not writing new code," the spokesperson added.
The company also reiterated its prior shipping targets -- to business in November, and consumers in January 2007.
Source: [url=http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_No_Vista_Code_Changes/1143232877]BetaNews[/url]
Posted by: Warez Monster
was just about to post that....
Posted by: Warez Monster
We have good news to report (when don't we?) Windows Vista Build 5342 has just been released to both testers and MSDN subscribers.
The Download is now available vis-à-vis Microsoft Connect under the downloads page. More good news, Build 5342 is once again available for both X86 and X64 users.
So whats new you ask? Heres what; this new build features huge improvements to stability, performance and overall usability. Also in this build are some new tweaks in the UI along with Media Center.
If you would like more information, please visit our forums...
[url]http://www.jcxp.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5521[/url]
Posted by: mikee
Do they plan on making a sidebar for winxp so more people can use the sidbar gadgets and not just vista users?
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Do they plan on making a sidebar for winxp so more people can use the sidbar gadgets and not just vista users? [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]You can already get side bars for XP.[/color]
Posted by: gameover
Warez Monster have you experienced many problems with it yet
Posted by: Netroon
Hi, anyone think its a good idea to dual boot widnows vista 5342 with widnwos xp on a main computer i have no testing computer
Posted by: gameover
from what i here don't risk it man. its still got bugs and you don't wanna risk your main computer for this trust. Also wait a couple more months and they will bring out a better version
Posted by: Makaveli213
I Dual Boot Vista and XP on my Main machine all the time. If you are familiar with Beta software and the time it takes to tweak it then i would say go ahead. But if this is your first experience with Beta Software then i wouldnt risk it.
Posted by: Warez Monster
BusinessWeek is reporting that Microsoft's next release of Internet Explorer, version 7, will not be integrated into Windows. Breaking nearly ten years of tradition, Internet Explorer was always very tightly integrated into Windows, allowing users to do such things as launch a website directly from any Windows Explorer window, or save a live web page as the desktop wallpaper.
Posted by: Disillusion
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Warez Monster [/i]
[B]BusinessWeek is reporting that Microsoft's next release of Internet Explorer, version 7, will not be integrated into Windows. Breaking nearly ten years of tradition, Internet Explorer was always very tightly integrated into Windows, allowing users to do such things as launch a website directly from any Windows Explorer window, or save a live web page as the desktop wallpaper. [/B][/QUOTE]
What will they use for a default internet browser? They have to have something.
Posted by: Makaveli213
They will probably leave it up to the user to choose. I bet IE will be an option to install for Browser but if a user chooses to use Firefox or Opera they will be able to do so. But for Updates i bet IE will have to be installed.
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]How can I download a different browser without a browser?[/color]
Posted by: Makaveli213
It will have IE as a option to install. But it might also come with Firefox or Opera already with the installer there. But how many people that use Firefox or Opera cant use a different PC or a older version to install then get the one they want.
Posted by: ShoobieRat
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OpticalIllusion [/i]
[B]What will they use for a default internet browser? They have to have something. [/B][/QUOTE]
What'd'you mean they "have to have something?"
They don't have to have jack squat. Since the IE browser won't be a part of the OpSys anymore (about stupid time), you could install with nothing in the way of a browser. Just because you don't have an Internet browser, doesn't mean you can't have a connection to the Internet. They could develop a stand-alone update utility, etc.
Chances are, since they are programmers and thus are lazy (like all the rest), they will continue to use IE for many services because of the built-in functions of IE (namely ActiveX).
But who cares if IE gets installed by default? Since it's not part of the system anymore, yer free to get rid of it or hide it to your heart's content. And if it installs by default, that doesn't mean you can't just install whatever you want to install after-the-fact.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Even if it does install what about just removing it? I think that Vista will still use IE for the updates. But they are changing that also from what i have heard.
Posted by: cvb724
what is this business week stuff? go to microsoft.com. at least thats where i go to get my info on microsoft. they still have IE7 as one of the main features and unless that changes i'm going to trust the developers first.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheMajor [/i]
[B][color=darkred]You can already get side bars for XP.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
I mean do they make one that supports vista sidebar gadgets for xp?
Posted by: cvb724
ive seen a few like that on isohunt so im pretty sure they exist
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]I mean do they make one that supports vista sidebar gadgets for xp? [/B][/QUOTE]
They are only ports from the Sidebar of Vista Build 5219. They have very few gadgets for it and it doesnt work the greatest. It uses mroe memory than its worth right now. Until they port the new one over i wouldnt worry about the Vista Sidebar or they officially release it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Isn't the sidebar to be officially released to XP anyways once Vista is released?
Posted by: Makaveli213
They have not said since the delay if they plan on doing that. Since htye have stated that IE7 will not even be included i doubt the SideBar will be.
Posted by: Warez Monster
A day before its court showdown with Microsoft which could result in a potential $2 million a day fine for Microsoft for allegedly flouting antitrust settlement concerns, the European Commission is firing another shot across Microsoft's bow.
This time, though, the EU is targeting Windows Vista. According to published reports, the Commission has sent Microsoft a note warning the company about potential antitrust concerns that might arise over Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer, Internet search and other office applications.
We're guessing the commission might mean calendaring, rather than word processing. No response yet from Microsoft on the latest volley.
Posted by: mikee
So are you guys saying that vista is going to be delayed until 2007 and it will be stuck with ie6?
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]So are you guys saying that vista is going to be delayed until 2007 and it will be stuck with ie6? [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]Who's using IE6 anyway?[/color]
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheMajor [/i]
[B][color=darkred]Who's using IE6 anyway?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
Ummmm me! and i don't like it but i don't like firefox either.
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]Ummmm me! and i don't like it but i don't like firefox either. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]Did you try Opera?[/color]
Posted by: mikee
I did a while back
Posted by: Disillusion
Anyone know where I can get an Nvidia driver for the 5342 build? I can't find one anywhere.
Posted by: Makaveli213
nVidia didnt release a Beta Driver for the 5342 Build. They only released one for the 5308 Build.
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft will start rolling out in April new "Vista Capable" logos for PCs, despite the fact that it still has yet to release the final hardware specs for Windows Vista. As noted over on the InsideMicrosoft blog, "The Vista Capable page at Microsoft TechNet explains that PCs that are Capable must pass the current Windows XP certification, and then meet certain CPU/RAM/GPU requirements in order to bear the logo." But a Microsoft spokesman added this caveat: "The Windows Vista Capable program does not represent minimum hardware requirements for the different versions of Windows Vista – we look forward to providing additional information regarding minimum hardware requirements for Windows Vista and the Windows Vista logo program in the coming months."
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/vistarpc.mspx[/url]
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well that is some good info. Since they dont give specific specs i must say that my PC meets the Specs by far.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]Well that is some good info. Since they dont give specific specs i must say that my PC meets the Specs by far. [/B][/QUOTE]
same here except for the video card, that's if they don't plan on lowering the graphics requirements because right now they are kind of insane.
Posted by: Makaveli213
What is wrong with asking for a DX9 card? Most DX9 cards are at least 128MB anyways. 256MB is starting to become more of the standard. I have seen nVidia cards that are for only $130 adn are 256MB.
I think it is totally resonable to ask for this. Vista is very graphically challenging. That is why you need the higher card. Cant expect to run the Glass on a 32MB or 64MB without some troubles.
Posted by: maroon1
will vista come in 32bit version, or it will just come as 64-bit version ?
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maroon1 [/i]
[B]will vista come in 32bit version, or it will just come as 64-bit version ? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes vista will come in a 32bit version aswell as the 64bit version so that people with older systems can upgrade to it.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Of course this is the last OS from Microsoft that will be 32 bit.
Posted by: Disillusion
Anyone tried the 5342 build? Some people say it's the most stable release yet, but I don't know about that. Mine is constantly crashing.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
im curious as well, i saw it on bittorrent networks, i was thinking of DLing
Posted by: sasvirus
hey there guys...im just new in technology so i'm here asking if what is VISTA? is it another OS? how should i install it anyway? is it thru clean installation like XP does or i'll just install it like any other software in the XP environment? can somebody clear my query guys? thanks and God bless!!!!
Posted by: mikee
yes it is a new os but I wouldn't install it until it comes out because any vista you get now is beta and is buggy and unstable.
Posted by: sasvirus
thanks...anyway, if it's an independent OS why is it that it needs a so called VIRTUAL PC w/ SP1 to be installed? how is this happening? please do explain it further...God speed!!!
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sasvirus [/i]
[B]thanks...anyway, if it's an independent OS why is it that it needs a so called VIRTUAL PC w/ SP1 to be installed? how is this happening? please do explain it further...God speed!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]It doesn't. You can install it using Virtual Machine software like VMWare, however. I did it and it works, but very slow.[/color]
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sasvirus [/i]
[B]thanks...anyway, if it's an independent OS why is it that it needs a so called VIRTUAL PC w/ SP1 to be installed? how is this happening? please do explain it further...God speed!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
You don't need virtual pc, although some people like to install vista that way so they don't have to reformat their computer to install vista. also if vista screws up on a virtual pc it won't screw up the whole computer because it is in its own isolated space away from everything else.
Posted by: punish3r
what are the pc specs that fits with the windows vista guys? where can i download this OS? is the installation same as XP Pro?
Posted by: Makaveli213
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by punish3r [/i]
[B]what are the pc specs that fits with the windows vista guys? where can i download this OS? is the installation same as XP Pro? [/B][/QUOTE]
The Specs have not been released as of yet. [url=http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/vistarpc.mspx]M$ Technet[/url] Gives a description of what the Vista Capable machines are like.
Downloading the OS right now is pointless unless you are a tester since you will only be able to run it for 13 days.
The install is about the same as XP but it is a BETA OS which means that not everything will work on it and it will give you BSOD more often.
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Makaveli213 [/i]
[B]The Specs have not been released as of yet. [url=http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/vistarpc.mspx]M$ Technet[/url] Gives a description of what the Vista Capable machines are like.
Downloading the OS right now is pointless unless you are a tester since you will only be able to run it for 13 days.
The install is about the same as XP but it is a BETA OS which means that not everything will work on it and it will give you BSOD more often. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ya windows vista right now reminds me alot of windows millenium edition for the crashes and such.
Posted by: Makaveli213
Well that is why it is in Beta still. I have some of the old Whistler Betas and you wouldnt believe how unstable XP was when it was in Beta. Just like Vista is now. But hence the Beta process. Makes life a little easier so they dont have to go thru testing while the product is released. ;)
Posted by: punish3r
thank you guys...it really helps me...
Posted by: Tyler1989
I actually think we are at a time that the Vista Beta is finally stable the problem remains in compatibility which will improve when code and drivers are actually written for it instead of borrowing XP era code and drivers.
Posted by: Warez Monster
While nearly every current PC will be able to run Windows Vista, only half will be able to take full advantage of all of it's features, a recent study by research firm Gartner suggests. In turn, the firm is urging IT managers to take caution when ordering new PCs.
Today's average processor and hard drive should be sufficient to install and use Vista, Gartner says. However, a newer graphics card is likely required if the user wishes to take advantage of the Aero user interface, and the computer should have at least 1GB of memory installed for the operating system to run smoothly.
While some may be shocked at Gartner's lofty hardware requirements for Vista, Microsoft's own recommendations is not far off. The Redmond company has similar guidelines, although says 512MB of RAM should suffice.
Posted by: mikee
so basically running vista with 512 mb ram is gonna be like running xp with 128mb ram
Posted by: Warez Monster
Vista Logo Requirements And The First PC For This OS
Last weekend Microsoft held an event for its partners to increase its ready PC sales this year, especially during the traditionally profitable Chrismas season. As you remember, the release of Windows Vista moved to January 2007 causes concerns as a key reason for possible PC demand drop this year.
At the moment the Vista Logo Requirements are in their version 0.8, expected to reach the final version, according to Microsoft, by the end of June this year. As there are three primary components that dictate PC rating - CPU, memory, graphics - there supposed to be 3 logos in whole:
Windows Vista Capable (OS can be installed and work with some features disabled)
Windows Vista Ready (OS can work with all the key features enabled, including the Aero interface)
Windows Vista Compliant (premium and most performing PCs).
The already familiar Designed for Windows XP logo will also continue to exist.
According to the information we have now, a Windows Vista Capable PC is to feature 512MB RAM, DirectX 9 graphics (including integrated). The second and third segments will respectively require 512MB RAM (1GB optional) and 1GB RAM (2GB optional). No integrated graphics is allowed to these groups as well. Vista Ready will also require the support of the yet unreleased DirectX 9.0L, while Vista Compliant will require Shader Model 2.0 support as a must. This last requirement doens't seem very clear, we believe they mean the compatibility with DirectX 9.0L, not its complete support (we're talking about average PCs, mind you). Besides, Aero interface will require 1,800 MB/s and higher graphics memory throughput. So a 64MB card will only be able to operate at 1024x768, higher resolution demanding 128MB.
Speaking of CPU, Microsoft mentioned it should be modern. Intel claimed the minimal recommended CPU for Vista should be Pentium 4 630. As you remember, it operates at 3GHz, has 2MB L2 and 800MHz FSB. However, with this rather powerful CPU Intel recommends its 945G integrated graphics.
Note that these requirements do not mention DirectX 10 (WGF) that is obviously meant not to scare away fall and winter buyers. Perhaps, the DirectX Next itself will also be delayed and won't be launched together with Vista.
Meanwhile, some especially impatient vendors do not wait for Microsoft's final requirements. Epson was the first to announce its Windows Vista Capable PC - Endeavour Pro 3500:
Intel Pentium 4 630
Intel 975X
GeForce 6600 GT
512MB DDR2
80GB
Gigabit Ethernet
6 x USB 2.0
As you can see, it's a rather usual PC of today, while its hard drive might even seem outdated. However its configuration is actually categorized as the least performing required.
Posted by: mikee
vista can run on intel macs now check it out!
[url]http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=14448[/url]
Posted by: waynejkruse10
what is the installation sequence of vista 5342? I tried to install it but when it restarts im greeted with just black when it is supposed to boot up. I am unsure if it finished installation.
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]what is the installation sequence of vista 5342? I tried to install it but when it restarts im greeted with just black when it is supposed to boot up. I am unsure if it finished installation. [/B][/QUOTE]
I had the same problem
Posted by: harry18
sooo, im confused is visat out yet, how much is it?
Posted by: vipercrazed
no its not out, most people in this thread say there offical "testers" to find bugs and thing so they get to use it for free, but then are the people that registered with microsoft to be a beta tester, also free but legal, if you catch my drift.
i dont know if thier is even a leaked version but i wouldnt want to try anyway. i think thier is a windows blinds skin that has the toolbar desings and stuff if you want to look that up, too much spyware for me.
Posted by: TheMajor
[color=darkred]Vista won't show fancy side to pirates[/color]
[url]http://news.com.com/Vista+wont+show+fancy+side+to+pirates/2100-1016_3-6060700.html?tag=alert[/url]
Posted by: mikee
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheMajor [/i]
[B][color=darkred]Vista won't show fancy side to pirates[/color]
[url]http://news.com.com/Vista+wont+show+fancy+side+to+pirates/2100-1016_3-6060700.html?tag=alert[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't see how that is going to work, people will make a hack for that too.
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mikee [/i]
[B]I don't see how that is going to work, people will make a hack for that too. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]Ofcourse it is not gonna work.[/color]
Posted by: mikee
no matter what microsoft does we can kill them!!!
hahahahaha
Posted by: MackAttack
whats Windows Vista??? or Longhorn??? is it a newer version? or better than Media Center 2005?
I don't get this?
Posted by: MackAttack
also, anyone ever heard of Windows XP Nemisis?
Posted by: mikee
Ya its xp with a bunch a sh!t hacked and added into it.
Posted by: cedjunior
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MackAttack [/i]
[B]whats Windows Vista??? or Longhorn??? is it a newer version? or better than Media Center 2005?
I don't get this? [/B][/QUOTE]
been under a rock somewhere?? :eek:
Posted by: waynejkruse10
[quote]whats Windows Vista??? or Longhorn??? is it a newer version? or better than Media Center 2005?
I don't get this?[/quote]
Windows Longhorn was the code name for the operating system Windows Vista. Windows Vista is a new operating system due to be released early next year. It has a number of new features such as 3D desktop, searching, etc. You can find more info about it here:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista[/url]
Posted by: Warez Monster
Microsoft have announced via the Windows Vista beta newsgroups that the Windows Vista April CTP will be available to testers on Monday 17th April. The build number that the April CTP will carry is not yet known, however a set of screenshots have appeared on the web today, showing Windows Vista Build 5361 - a build that has recently been handed out to TAP testers.
The build string of this release is 5361.winmain.060405-1900, indicating that the build was compiled last Tuesday. The build contains further performance tweaks and a few new features, including a few new gadgets as well as re-worked existing gadgets. Interestingly, Internet Explorer now shows the logo "7+" in the About screen, it is not yet known exactly what this symbolises.
[url]http://www.winfuture.de/index.html?page=wfv4/BSv2/scg-ia.php&id=1684[/url]
Posted by: mikee
this whole new anti piracy tactic is just going to make people who don't plan on getting a supported gfx card for vista think they may as well pirate the os because they have nothing to lose.
Posted by: Grayfox
I just noticed that massive lack of information of the subject of trusted computing in this thread and I must say its rather disturbing to see that so many of you are ignoring such a serious subject.
For those of you who don't know trusted computing will be shipping with windows vista.
[b][url=http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html]The company's[/url] want to take away your rights you have no control[/b]
The only programs you will be able to run will have to be signed by Microsoft. Effectively eliminating free software on the windows platform, stopping little timmy from learning how to program and giving Microsoft total control over the market.
For more information check out these links
[url]http://www.lafkon.net/tc/[/url] A very effective video at explaining what trusted computing is and how it works
[url]http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing[/url]
[url]http://www.againsttcpa.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html[/url]
Posted by: EricB
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Grayfox [/i]
[B]I just noticed that massive lack of information of the subject of trusted computing in this thread and I must say its rather disturbing to see that so many of you are ignoring such a serious subject.
For those of you who don't know trusted computing will be shipping with windows vista.
[b][url=http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html]The company's[/url] want to take away your rights you have no control[/b]
The only programs you will be able to run will have to be signed by Microsoft. Effectively eliminating free software on the windows platform, stopping little timmy from learning how to program and giving Microsoft total control over the market.
For more information check out these links
[url]http://www.lafkon.net/tc/[/url] A very effective video at explaining what trusted computing is and how it works
[url]http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing[/url]
[url]http://www.againsttcpa.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
I get laugh at when I even suggest that it happens
Posted by: Warez Monster
Windows Vista Build 5365 will be released to official testers via MS Connect this Monday. This build is an Interim build which will include several bug fixes and some UI changes. Further changes are also to be expected in Internet Explorer's UI, as well as better driver support and some optimizations to make Aero Glass run more smoothly.
Media Center also supposedly has a better, more refined look and runs much more smoothly. Improvements to the Sidebar are expected, with more gadgets and bugs fixed on existing gadgets. Installation may also may finish more quickly in this build. The build is expected to be released around 1:00 PM EST Time.
Posted by: Warez Monster
With any major new Windows release such as Vista, application compatibility becomes