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Posted by: Him
now I know that TF is mostly 13-16 year olds, but still. There of those of us, myself included, that are becoming a little to advanced and knowledged to stay here, and we need to go over to [url]www.xtremesystems.com[/url] and like forums to satisfy our need for knowledge. I'm not trying to sound cocky here, but it is a problem. I have moved on to phase change cooling and some advance overclocking, and there are lots of other members who are in the same boat. Maybe not with the phase change, but with the xtreme OCing. I think we should put up an advanced section, for discussions like phase change and other advanced things that we do not cuirrently have a section for.
I know this is pretty much a 'begginers' forum, and when you outgrow this one it is time to move on but many of us are partial to TF and do not want to move to another one. XS is far too big, and most posts just slip thru the cracks and never even get read! This section should have some stickies to advanced projects, a gallery for sick modded out machines, and so on.
I have so many informative links that I could put up, but I would get yelled at for them being "useless". Translation: They are too advanced for some peoples' minds.
**This is not an idea to berrate people who are new, or to think we are better than you. This is just an idea so we dont have people who dont know what they are talking about comming in and asking benign questions, or ones that can be answered elsewhere. Please, no one take offense to this idea**
Posted by: Elbatrop1
Although the section wouldnt apply to many people here, it might be a good idea.
My only questions are: How do you make it a separate section than our current OCing section? What makes "Extreme" overclocking, as compared to regular overclocking?
Posted by: Him
Different levels of cooling or whatnot. I have gotten yelled at for posting "worthless information" (kinda seems like an oxymoron) about advanced methods of cooling because "noone here will ever do things like that". Thats what I mean about xtreme. As far as other methods of overclocking, I dont know. Maybe then a topic for advanced methods of cooling. Could also have topics on volt modding, and different things of that nature.
Maybe it would start to apply to people here though, if we had the topic to be discusxsed. Several members (Wayniac comes to mind) knew nothing of the subject of Phase Change, but as soon as he found out he became VASTLY interested in the subject. I know for one he would be abig fan of a topic like this.
We could at least use this topic as a stepping stone for the people who are prepared to go to the next level of extreme with their rigs.
I think it's time to take TF to the next level...
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
i would greatly appreciate something like this. i dont go to xtreme for one reason........its way to big for me. when i came here i thought it was to big but ive gotten used to it but i went over there and BAM. way to big. but i would like osmethimg like this cause it would help me learn more and i think more than just a coupla ppl are interested in this.
Posted by: Him
Help to sell the idea to Mod's then. To get this going on it needs lots of support and recommendations. I think it would serve to be hughely helpful for people. XS is just too big an overwhelming for most people, which is why I'm not always there but I am always here.
Posted by: beedubaya
Before something like this would be possible, first we need to get more advanced members here. As of now, probably more than 3/4 of the active members of TF are under 16. Many of them (but not all of them) are gamers only and know just enough about hardware to build a gaming PC. I too would like to see more participation from 18+ people. If we were to get more advanced people here at TF, we wouldn't need a section like that, because more advanced minded threads would flood the existing forums here. The question is, how are we going to attract these people.
P.S. Why is it that it seems the forum is flooded with 13-16 year olds but there are VERY few people 17 and older? What is it about this forum that attracts only kids? Sure, we need them as much as anybody else, but it is a problem when a forum like this is ALL kids and no mature people.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
I think the older ppl come here looking for something advaced but dont find anything to their liking so they take off. If we HAD a section that is advaced then maybe the older pl would start to come in and i would learn alot more lol.
Posted by: Him
Well, the thing is, this is really a starter forum. You can learn anything basic to do with computers, and some midly advanced stuff. Which is why people go over to XS or elsewhere. If we had a topic like that, it would attract more people. I am ALWAYS trying to get my friends to come over here, some do some dont. I think it would also boost the knowledge and, dare I say, maturity level of some people if we had a topic where the older more advanced people could really hang out and test their knowledge. TF is no longer a knowledge tester for me, it's just now someplace I come to have fun. I enjoy helping people, but it gets kind of monotonous sometimes. People just post without searching, or post the most lame things ever.
BeeDub, I would really like you to do whatever it takes to make this become a reality. Since you are all for it, that helps a great deal. Relying on more advanced people to come here to be able to make the topic is like a catch 22. No one is going to come here without a topic like that, but in order to get a topic like that we need more people here. Make it and see what happens. We can always delete it later.
IMO doing this would have a domino effect on TF, in which it would explode and we would start to see a huge increase in the amount of members.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
hopefully a huge increase in the "mature" older members.
Posted by: Elbatrop1
I dont care if the members are young or old. I just care about the maturity level.
I dont like to see stupid, immature stuff like: "That video card sux, get 2 6800 Ultras in SLI."
Posted by: beedubaya
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Elbatrop1 [/i]
[B]I dont care if the members are young or old. I just care about the maturity level.
I dont like to see stupid, immature stuff like: "That video card sux, get 2 6800 Ultras in SLI." [/B][/QUOTE]
True...there are people like this all the time...like an old lady comes asking for a video card to surf the net and check email, and they say something like "Get no less than 6600 GT, get 6800 GT if you have the money." Thats where their immaturity and the fact that they are gamers only and their lacking of understanding the other uses for computers come into play.
Posted by: Him
I saw this today actually. Someone was asking about processors, said he needed a good motherboard for an AMD 754. I was trying to help him, because the way it was worded it sounded like he already had the processor and needed a motherboard for it. The next response was "Get a 939, the 754 sucks" What the ****? That dosent help him at all. When someone comes looking to build a PC on a budget, people tell them to get all top of the line stuff. Great, that would be a great machine if he had $900 to spend! But he only has $400 so give him some good recommendations. Yet they still do the aforementioned immature responses.
Posted by: beedubaya
I don't see why everybody says 754 sucks in the first place...sure its not as good as 939...but it in no way sucks. I wish we had less of those type of people here. It really makes me angry.
Posted by: Him
Ditto. Some people are just ignorant, and dont know things. They think that just because one technology was abandoned in favor of a newer one that means it sucks. It dosent mean it sucks, it just means that it was upgraded... Like anything else. Out with the old in with the new, regardless of how good the older stuff was.
Posted by: Elbatrop1
I've seen a bunch of that.
I cant complain too much, though. I still like this place. Just like anything, it has its ups and downs. For example, if I went to XS I would probably get treated like a n00b (because I am one compared to those guys). If I didnt like it here, I would have taken off long ago, but since I dont, that wont happen...
I think that it would help if the young dudes here were a little more mature or if we had a few more adults here (provided they act their age).
This still goes hand-in-hand with the advanced OCing, too. You wont find too many 14 year olds with phase change.
Posted by: beedubaya
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Elbatrop1 [/i]
[B]
This still goes hand-in-hand with the advanced OCing, too. You wont find too many 14 year olds with phase change. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's amazing how much these kids get from their parents, considering over half of them aren't even old enough to have a job. My parents never bought me a computer, I had to wait until I was 17, when I got a job and saved for one.
Posted by: Him
That was the same with me, sorta. My first computer came from my dads work, he got it when he finished the job. It was an old 486DX4 100MHz and I learned everything on that. My next computer was a P3 450MHZ and I got that for christmas. Now all my computer stuff i bought by me, for me.
Posted by: Shumway
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by beedubaya [/i]
[B]I don't see why everybody says 754 sucks in the first place...sure its not as good as 939...but it in no way sucks. I wish we had less of those type of people here. It really makes me angry. [/B][/QUOTE]
95% of the people here are like that,It seem's if you don't like AMD or Nvidia your not welcome here :(
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by beedubaya [/i]
[B]It's amazing how much these kids get from their parents, considering over half of them aren't even old enough to have a job. My parents never bought me a computer, I had to wait until I was 17, when I got a job and saved for one. [/B][/QUOTE]
Half of the kid's don't even have good system's anyway's,They are sitting back playing on a little piece of crap thing's and telling everyone that they have top of the line stuff (little poser's :p ) I know i wouldn't buy my kid a $2000 computer ;)
Posted by: Him
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shumway [/i]
Half of the kid's don't even have good system's anyway's,They are sitting back playing on a little piece of crap thing's and telling everyone that they have top of the line stuff (little poser's :p ) I know i wouldn't buy my kid a $2000 computer ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
I know some right off the top of my head I could tell you... No names...
Posted by: GageMW
ok, here's your chance to show your maturity.
This seams like a sympathy rant to me.
Yes you are right there are some very immature people here, and others that aren't.
All you have to do to spark an interest in more advanced things is post in depth information about what you want to do, with maybe a link or two, and people will flock to help you with it (usually)
and yes there are some misconceptions about technology,
but many here (myself included) take that as a personal insult,
and it would be the [b]adult[/b] thing to do to offer an apology in case you offended someone.
Posted by: gaara
Don't think it'd get enough traffic as there's only about 5 people who frequent the forums to be considered even close to "advanced" in my opinion. Of course I'd be willing to try it out and see how it goes, and it might attract some crowd and eventually grow. I might even be able to talk to some OCZ reps and get 'em in here with some feedback since they're all over the internet.
As far as the 13-16 year olds, this forum is a fairly basic learning premise so that probably attributes why.
Thumbs up from moi though.
Posted by: eatbutt
yea my parents dont buy me hardly anything about comps, i just got a job which is enabling my new comp
about that ignorant peopel thing...
well i myself am noob to computers, and i was asking around about processor cores.. juts look:
(me)whats all this talk about processor core? and how can u figure that out if u dont have the processor yet? if u do have the processor?
(not me)San Diego is the best core to get, if you do have the CPU, use CPU-z, if not, hope the site you are buying it from tells you (newegg does).
Posted by: Elbatrop1
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gaara [/i]
[B]Don't think it'd get enough traffic as there's only about 5 people who frequent the forums to be considered even close to "advanced" in my opinion. Of course I'd be willing to try it out and see how it goes, and it might attract some crowd and eventually grow. I might even be able to talk to some OCZ reps and get 'em in here with some feedback since they're all over the internet.
As far as the 13-16 year olds, this forum is a fairly basic learning premise so that probably attributes why.
Thumbs up from moi though. [/B][/QUOTE]
That would be pretty cool if we had some reps. I have seen them at a few sites, and it's kinda nice to get definitive answers on the ol' "Does my RAM have TCCDs, BH-5, blah blah blah."
As for advanced, I know I am not on your list. Hahaha :D. In my opinion, I am still a n00b, regardless of my decent post count:)
Posted by: GrimReaper23
here is something to think about:: We all know enough but not enough. Also:: We all are noobs in one way or another. Also:: There is always going to be someone else smarter then you in one way or another. They all are pretty much relateds to each othr but that is what I have to say.
Posted by: Him
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GrimReaper23 [/i]
[B]here is something to think about:: We all know enough but not enough. Also:: We all are noobs in one way or another. Also:: There is always going to be someone else smarter then you in one way or another. They all are pretty much relateds to each othr but that is what I have to say. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mr. Reaper, I would like to inquire as to what you meant by that. Obviously we are all n00bs in one way or another, and obviously there are people smarter than us. There always is. What does that have to do with an advanced section? An advanced section like the one in question would be the best possible way to attract these smarter p[eople to out forum. I never said I was the smartest, if I did I was just being a wiseass, but I did say that I was starting to outgrow to outgrow this forum, and my knowledge was starting to engulf topics not discussed on this forum. I would like to be challenged greatly at this forum, with thigns that I really dont know anything about. I can go to XS and read all day long about stuff that I havent the slightest CLUE on. That is all I'm proposing.
Posted by: Him
Been in contact with Larry, he seems to be digging the idea. I hope it sees the light of day!
Posted by: Him
Alright, i have to acknowledge this post right here:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GageMW [/i]
[B]ok, here's your chance to show your maturity.
This seams like a sympathy rant to me.
Yes you are right there are some very immature people here, and others that aren't.
All you have to do to spark an interest in more advanced things is post in depth information about what you want to do, with maybe a link or two, and people will flock to help you with it (usually)
and yes there are some misconceptions about technology,
but many here (myself included) take that as a personal insult,
and it would be the [b]adult[/b] thing to do to offer an apology in case you offended someone. [/B][/QUOTE]
Apparently you are not really liking the idea of this section. Maybe you think it will be treated as a section only for 'advanced' members and if you are not one of these you should now be in there, who knows. Well, you are wrong. This will be a section for people to discuss things that arent being discussed. I cannot post things about stuff that isnt already on this site, I get yelled at. I posted a guide on protecting condensation, and a member came in giving me crap about how useless this information is and it is a waste of his time to read it. This has happened to me on more than one occasion. This would simply be a section where I (or other members) could post stuff like that and not get yelled at about it being useless because some people are too stupid to take that information and just know it.
Why did you take that comment about the misconceptions of technology as a personal insult? Sounds to me like you have a guilty consciense, maybe one of these people. The [b]adult[/] thing to do would to NOT bring that up, demanding an apology. Noone directed that comment towards you, therefore noone has to apologize to you.
I think you will just feel stupid if we put up this topic, and it is not the intention of this topic to make people feel stupid. Because someone does not know something does not make them stupid. Someone refusing to learn something DOES make them stupid. Someone who says "I'm not going to learn that, because it is too advanced for me" makes someone stupid. You could at least make the attempt to learn it. Either learn it, or dont. It's all up to what interests you. If someone dosent want to learn something because it bores them, than they arent stupid.
Your post looks like the sympathy rant.
Posted by: tmanw88
I like how you guys are thinking.
I am definately a noob, so I wouldn't need the advanced section, but I still think it's a great idea for the more advanced members. The problem with some forums, and I don't know how bad this one is about it, is that that some people don't actually have any experience or know about what they are talking about, they just have read what someone has said about it before, and all of the sudden they are the authority on it. I don't know about lots of stuff, therefore I don't give people advice on something I just have read someone else talk about before.
Posted by: Him
Thats a problem anywhere, regardless of what forum you are in. It happens outside of forums, at work, everywheere. There are always going to be those people who think they are better than the world, and think they are so smart and they known everything about a car because they know how to change the oil. Or know everything about a computer because they know how to install Windows. It's usually pretty easy to pick out these people, what with the absolutely ignorant and idiotic things they say. An advanced section would be beneficial to even n00bs like yourself (I am nto using n00b as a bad term. We were all n00bs at one point or another, you wont be one for long. I was a n00b, but I like to think that i no longer am) because it will introduce them to the more hardcore computer stuff and give them a heads up as to what they are in for. It would be beneficial to all levels of computer people, from the n00biest n00b to the 1337357 h4x0r.
Posted by: DJ-CHRIS
Good idea lets do it :)
Posted by: Him
\m/ :cool: \m/
Rock on!
Posted by: Shumway
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tmanw88 [/i]
[B]some people don't actually have any experience or know about what they are talking about, they just have read what someone has said about it before, and all of the sudden they are the authority on it.[/B][/QUOTE]
:p:p:p:p You just hit the nail on the head,We have lot's of little poser's here that think they know everything and can do everything,But believe me their is only a couple dude's here that know what they are talking about ;)
Posted by: Him
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shumway [/i]
[B]:p:p:p:p You just hit the nail on the head,We have lot's of little poser's here that think they know everything and can do everything,But believe me their is only a couple dude's here that know what they are talking about ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
Cant wait for the quiz, so we can actually see who knows what about what.Although the poseurs will have the internet at their fingertips, and will find the answers quite easily. That will just be another way for the poseurs to say "Hey, I know so much more than you! Look at my quiz score!"
You guys know who you are...
Posted by: Piney
I read this thread with great interest. I am over retirement age, female, and until 5 yrs ago, knew darn little about puters. I started out in the mid 80's with a TRS-80 (huge, formidable, and impossible for me to learn to do much of anything) that my 14 yr old son programmed an accounting program for my business. Went from there thru MS-DOS, and up to the XP I have today. I've learned how to do a lot on computers, and would love to learn to do more. People my age (for the most part) are afraid of puters, use them only for game sites and email. Don't give up the ghost, there are many of us out here willing and able to learn IF we don't get hit with acronyms that fly over the top of our white heads *grin*
Piney
Posted by: Him
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Piney [/i]
[B]IF we don't get hit with acronyms that fly over the top of our white heads *grin*
[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm glad that, even though computers are quite intimidating, especially for older people like yourself, you are quite willing to learn about them. That shows alot, and I, as well as many other people, really like helping out people who really do want to be helped and to learn.
As for the acronym part, well, ouch. Thats one of those things that comes with the territory. If you want to learn about computers, you have to learn the acronyms. They are almost the main part about computers, as every aspect of computers have numerous acronyms. FOr the most part, if it is a more difficult and not widely known acronym, I will state the acronym and put in parenthesis the actualy meaning.
Ex: DDoS.: Distributed Denial of Service
An acronym like that may or may not be spelled out, but other ones like HDD will not be since it should be known by everyone. (It stands for Hard Disk Drive).
I will try to help as much as possible, and I'm sure many other members will be more than happy to help you out. Any questions about stuff, feel free to PM me and I will help you out.
Good luck, and welcome to TF!
-Bones
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
lets just get this show on the road already. i want an advanced forum NOW!!! :p
Posted by: Him
I'm doing all I can, but I think I've done as much as I can. You should PM Larry and show your support. Also Dave (DMo) the S mod, and jaksbak. It is time for people to start expressing their want for this! Make your voice heard!
Posted by: Juice Daddy
[QUOTE] I saw this today actually. Someone was asking about processors, said he needed a good motherboard for an AMD 754. I was trying to help him, because the way it was worded it sounded like he already had the processor and needed a motherboard for it. The next response was "Get a 939, the 754 sucks" What the ****? That dosent help him at all. When someone comes looking to build a PC on a budget, people tell them to get all top of the line stuff. Great, that would be a great machine if he had $900 to spend! But he only has $400 so give him some good recommendations. Yet they still do the aforementioned immature responses.[/QUOTE]
As you can see in my sig, my specs aren’t exactly top of the line but, I agree completely with what you said above... just cause the parts aren't top of the line doesn't mean they suck
Posted by: Juice Daddy
[QUOTE] That was the same with me, sorta. My first computer came from my dads work, he got it when he finished the job. It was an old 486DX4 100MHz and I learned everything on that. My next computer was a P3 450MHZ and I got that for christmas. Now all my computer stuff i bought by me, for me.[/QUOTE]
my first comp was an old apple... eventually my older bro gave me about 20 old broken computers, I got about three to work, although I was short on hard drives, the first computer that i began useing was and old compaq deskpro 2000 @ 166MHz, and eventually someone gave me a compaq deskpro 4000 @ 200 which I overclocked to 233. later I met this old guy who seems to know everything bout computers and he helped me fix an hp pavilion 4450 @ 500 this I used for a long time until around my 17 birthday when I had finally saved enough money ot buy, in pieces, what I use now...
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Posted by: Him
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Posted by: Trotter
OK, so I've been on vacation, and am a bit behind...
Out of the chute, I have to sayt hat this is actually a great idea. It will take some close moderating to keep it "advanced", but I can see it working. And, hey, I'd even like to get in on it.
True, there are a lot of youngsters on this forum, as well as a number of noobs. But then there are some who just enjoy this site enough to stick around, even though fielding the same questions over and over and over and over gets pretty boring. An "advanced" forum could be used by those who know what they are doing as well as those who want to know what they are doing (or what they are really screwing up while they attempt to do...whatever).
I am definately in support of this idea.
Posted by: aspire.comptech
i would definately like to see this. I think it would help the intermediate knowledge ppl learn more advanced stuff.
i would also REALLY like to see a gallery section for computer pics
and when is the darn quiz gonna be done?
Posted by: Him
::bump::
Posted by: Him
::bump bump bump!::
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
so whats the word on our advanced section?
Posted by: Him
Nothing yet, Larry said he would get back to me like a week ago but has yet to do so. I'm going to PM him right now and see what the diznilly is. I want this thing to happen badly!
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
same here, so heres hopin.
Posted by: Him
I just got a PM from Larry, it is a go. It will be soem time before it happens though, as he is really busy with work and I am getting ready to go back to school. He said it will be run on a different application and everything. It will be VBuilletin v3. It will be a seperate subsidary of TF but will be accessed via TF. He has some high hopes for this project, as do I. It is now nonly a matter of time. You will all know things when I know things.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
awesome, cant wait.:D
Posted by: aspire.comptech
WOOT!!!11!!1!!
Posted by: Him
So now comes the looking for suggestions. We need a way of setting up the look of the new forum, and how it will be organized. Here is my basic layout, I have it set up as an outline (like you do in English class):
Overclocking:
1. Volt Modding
2. BIOS Modding
Cooling:
1. Phase Change
a. Evaporators
b. Refrigerants
Air Cooling
Water Cooling
Hardware:
Somethign similar to that. All inout is welcome, as this should be a communal effort in making this happen. Please help to organize the new forum
Posted by: gaara
It's a lot better to use less forums than more, try and condense everything together otherwise the forum gets too big for the community and everything gets spaced apart. I would condense all the hardware into one forum, or possibly seperate it into Intel and AMD based forums as that'll also prevent some flames from breaking out. Same can be said with ATI or nVidia.
I'd also condense the watercooling into one forum because chances are people won't just have a question about a block or pump, it'll be both or more.
Posted by: aspire.comptech
looks good to me
i think we should have a contest for a new logo for the advanced forums
i also think to post you should have something like 100 posts already so we dont get a ton of total noobs in there
Posted by: Him
Aspire, I totally dig both of those ideas. Maybe not post count, but perhaps a quiz to get in. Granted, you do have the internet at your fingertips and can get the answer to any question, but the people who dont know the answers and spend the time looking for them actually want to be in there. Those are the kinds of people we will want, the people who are willing to learn.
Posted by: aspire.comptech
SO maybe like you in if you have 200 posts but need to take the quiz if you have less than that
that way people who are a mojor part of tf dont feel like we dont trust them
also i feel that if anyone spams or flames or stuff like that they should be banned for a period of time say a month perhaps log their ip address and if they come back under a new user name within that month they they are banished? not sure if its possible but this would be pretty **** cool.
but hey give us some specifications for the logo and ill see what i come up with
Posted by: Trotter
[quote]also i feel that if anyone spams or flames or stuff like that they should be banned for a period of time[/quote]
Hard and fast, period. An advanced forum calls for advanced behavior, not childishness.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
i agree totally. i like the quiz idea. just because you have 5748957429 posts dosent mean you know what your talking about. so like even if your nubius or the major you should still have to take the quiz. post count dosent mean intelligence, it just means youve posted alot on this site, and just because of that dosent mean you know what your talking about.
Posted by: daappleby
It seems you want to focus on hardware and ocing? What about more advanced sys admin stuff like exchange and ad? Web server and php design. I have some interest in hardware but very little in ocing and thus have ne real use (aside from interest) in phase change cooling.
Posted by: Trotter
Those topics can be covered rather well in their respective forums.
The advanced hardware and OC topics, well, they are a diferent matter.
The hardware topics get lost in the sheer number of threads, plus you have every idiot who signs up trying to give his diagnosis. The advanced OC issues aren't lost in the shuffle, but suffer from the same innane replies.
By segregating these topics to a specific, advanced forum, you give them a chance to actually grow and develop into something besides a flame war or a Intel/AMD/nVidia/ATI arguement. [i]As long as there is something in place to restrict who can post, it could be a great thing.[/i]
Posted by: Him
I'm really digging all of your ideas, they are comming along quite nicely. I especially like the explanation Trotter gave on the need for an advanced forum. When you poist something about AD in the Networking forum, you dont get yelled at for it being too advanced. However, posting a question or statement about something like phase change always gets the replies of people saying it is too advanced... Mostely only because they have no CLUE about it's use.
Posted by: Trotter
oooh... I feel tingly all over.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
me to, cant wait.
Posted by: Him
:bump:
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
whats the word on our section now?
Posted by: Trotter
It's still brewing, but I think the idea may be good enough to actually become reality.
Posted by: Juice Daddy
This is great!!!, although I don't know how much I can contribute, I am definately not a noob but I am not an expert either...
Posted by: dumdum8684
I'd have to agree with Juice Daddy. I'm willing to help tho
I had a problem that I was looking for a registry fix for. Within 10 mins I had a reply from someone(they had over 1000 posts) and they said "It can't be done." I wasn't happy with that answer so i went searching and found half of the solution in 30 mins on google. Someone else chimed in and gave me the rest later that day. It just ticks me off how someone will either search once in google or just because they have never heard of it, they will say that it has no answer or is not possible. This sounds like a promising addition to TF.
-Aaron
O and while i'm posting...lol...I don't think the post count should be taken into consideration. Why? Because most of the real professionals (i'm not including myself) are that way because they have a full time job. Not to mention maybe a family and a life. They don't have 10 hours a day to post on forums. On the other hand kids under 16 who can't get a job have all day and nothing to do but post online and play games. Who do you think is going to have more posts? I don't mean to offend anyone and I'm not stereotyping. I'm just giving an example of one possible reason. I'm not saying everyone falls under this example. I also think that the quiz should be a general technology quiz with some harder material thrown in relating to what is in the advanced section. Just my thoughts.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
i agree, im about to be 17 in a few and i got a call back on my APP and i will be working at another place besides EB games. I now have 2 jobs and my post count will start staying where its at unless i can contribute to this advanced forum which i wanna be a part of. I just hope i will still be here when it becomes reality.
Posted by: Him
It is taking far too long for someone to get back to me. I really want this to happen, but I fear it may not. I fear it is just going to be one of those projects that is okayed but never gone through with because it is forgotten about.
[B]
[SIZE=3][COLOR=red]**If you really want to see this happen, anyone, PM Larry or DMo224 or one of the other SMODS and tell them that you want to see this forum done. You could even just send him the link for this thread, and it would get the point across.**[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [/B]
Posted by: Trotter
Give it time. Things like this don't spring up overnight.
PMing Larry and DMo only makes them waste time messing with replies. Give 'em a break.
Posted by: 010001100101010
this is all very intresting, although i dont have many posts i feel that im pretty good with computers BUT i feel i still have alot to learn and this advanced section would help us all. i hav to agree with dumdum that your amount of posts shouldn't effect your entry into the advanced section, i do agree that there should be a entry quiz that is long enough to discorage flamers and spammers. i also agree with the idea of seperate ati/nividia ect... sections so that silly arguments dont arise, but hopefully we are all mature enough to handle such diferences
on a lighter note... w00t this 'll be awsome!:p
Posted by: Him
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i]
[B]Give it time. Things like this don't spring up overnight.
PMing Larry and DMo only makes them waste time messing with replies. Give 'em a break. [/B][/QUOTE]
You are right, they dont spring up overnight. However, I first PMed Larry and made this post a month ago, so it has been in fact 30 nights. :p
Hate to be a cliche, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, man.
Posted by: Juice Daddy
hey, advanced people, I could use some help with my mainboards voltage...
[url]http://www.tech-forums.net/showthread.php?threadid=61675[/url]
Posted by: Larry
*** its coming ***
:)
hang tight
open for discussion --- what or how should the "forum categories" be listed, laid out, divided, etc. etc.
if you would like:
list the title of the forum section and WHY it should be a forum
Thanks
Posted by: Him
No tis only a matter of time. The countdown, has begun. :p
Gaara listed a nice easy way of organizing it a little bit earlier in the thread. I'm going ot write up a nice layout.
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
alriht yes!! bout time, hurry up before school starts so i can see this thing!
Posted by: AmanteImperfett
Hey All. I'm new to the forum and was browsing and stumbled upon this little gem.
I'm not sure if suggestions are still being taken or not, but while readinf I had a thought. Would it be at all possible to have two ways of access (much like the differing application acces ie. read/write, read-only, etc) One way of access would be to read only. I figured, for people like me who are not advanced but know certain things and are certainly willing to learn (I plan on making this a career and I am studying in college right now) The read/write could be where the quiz comes in. Those who want to post would have to be "initiated' in. This would stop those who wish to spam and flame from doing so but allow those who want to read up more on the topics presented in the forum to do so.
Just a thought. :D
Posted by: Him
That is a good idea. That is what we were figuring out, but that would be a way of granting access. You could make another group, and call it 1337 or something like that, and only give it access to that. But then back to the original question, how would we decide who would belong to that group? That is where we have to start thinking about the quiz or soemthing like. but Amante, that was a good idea.
**This is not an idea to berrate people who are new, or to think we are better than you. This is just an idea so we dont have people who dont know what they are talking about comming in and asking benign questions, or ones that can be answered elsewhere. Please, no one take offense to this idea**
Posted by: waynejkruse10
what about people who have knowledge but dont have the money to apply it?
this is just turning into a [url]www.beautifulpeople.net[/url]
Dont get me started on them ^^^^^
Posted by: Him
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]what about people who have knowledge but dont have the money to apply it? [/B][/QUOTE]
What does money have to do with anything? It's not going to cost money, it's a topic in this forum. You are not going to NEED to have these things, but if you have a decent knowledge of. NOt beautifulpeople.net.
Posted by: waynejkruse10
is this place is only for people who have overclocked thier systems to the max or modded something cool
Posted by: Trotter
No, just a place for people other than n00bs and pibblers.
Think of it as a collegiate level forum in the schools of computer forums...
Posted by: Him
There ya go, an AP class in high school.
It will be for people who actually have the desire and ambition to learn, and love to challenge their minds and learn things they do not know. I know of several people like that on here, me being one, so this would be perfect for sharing of things that some people have NO IDEA what it is and we will learn MASSIVE amounbts of information.
Posted by: Chankama
First of all, I think this "selective" read/write access thing is a TERRIBLE idea.. No one is gonna care enough about this site to stick around if they can't post in certain locations.. They'll just goto some other place.
Plus, who will decide the questions?.. What WILL be the questions?.. Computer assembly and overclocking is on the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to complexity anyways.. Well maybe except for the techniques that are used by the OC world record breakers ;).. The real hardcore stuff is in computer design.
I think as we are discussing in the "how to divide the h/w sections" thread, it might be useful just to divide the sections properly and then a few of us start some cool threads..
It's important to have a good user base that have a lot of knowledge.. And I don't mean just building a couple of computers and overclocking stuff in their basement. But bringing in people that have industry experience and are involved in designing the leading technologies. When they see too many immature posts, these guys will just leave.. It should be a place where we can both learn and contribute useful information. Not just dwelling what graphics card is best at this point in time.
Posted by: Him
i will have to agree with Chankama, even though it may contradict one or more of my previous posts. Nobody is going to bother if they have to gain access to a part of the forum. They could just go over to XS or another site and have full access to all of the topics over there, but they are here at TF. We should build the advanced site, and see how it goes with n00bs, and just heavily moderate it.
Posted by: Trotter
Very big changes are soon to arrive, and the Advanced section has its place in it.
Posted by: AmanteImperfett
Hm. I suppose that makes sense, the whole people losing interest thing. Then yeah, it would just be another section within TF? I mean, sure, there may be n00bs and flamers and what not, but you can always filter the flamers out. And as for n00bs posting bulls**t, I suppose you can't stop that at anypoint. And I'm sure the advanced ones can tell bulls**t from truth anyway.
Posted by: Tyler1989
Explain the advanced section?
Do you need to get a certain score on the upcoming quiz to post there?
Posted by: Him
No, we were just discussing that. There should be no credentials to post in the advanced section, that is basically saying TF is better than everyone. It should just be heavily modderated, and the mods should be able to move the topics not needed in the advanced section over to their respective topic.
Posted by: Juice Daddy
so...
whats the word now?
will it be here before school or will it take a while to work it out...
Posted by: Him
I've heard nothing new about it anytime recently. I'm anxious to see what will transpire as well, because I want it here before school starts as well.
Posted by: dhw200
I think it is a good idea to have a more advanced forum. I like TF a lot, and i don't paticurely like XS because its too big and impartial. And there should be no credentials, as n00bs can browse the threads purely for the purpose of learning. They dont need to post. And yes, it would have to be heavily modded.
While I know I'm not on the same level of expertise as many of you, I do feel as though I'm starting to outgrow TF. And as I said above, I like this place a lot, and dont wish to go anywhere else.
Posted by: Trotter
[quote] I've heard nothing new about it anytime recently.[/quote]
Here's you some news, but I don't know if it is supposed to be public knowledge...
TF2 now exists, but is basically a vacuum... without form and void. Larry posted that on 8-6-05 in the Mod forum. He, Shakie, and DMo are working on it. When it is ready, they'll let everyone know.
Right now, the question is who will be allowed in, and what will the criteria be.
More news as it develops...
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i hope it will be open to everyone but will be heavily moderated. Otherwise some people could be excluded who have a valid post.
Posted by: dhw200
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by waynejkruse10 [/i]
[B]i hope it will be open to everyone but will be heavily moderated. Otherwise some people could be excluded who have a valid post. [/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. And newcomers could read the topics, not necessarily post among them, but just read them to learn
Posted by: waynejkruse10
yes
Posted by: Him
Like I said before, that would be extremely pretentious and conceided to have any sort of pre-requisite to get into TF2. I may have suggested some requirements to be able to access it in the first place, but looking back, it is a bad idea. It will drive peopel away, and the onyl people that will be there are the posters who are here regardless. (Myself, DJCHRIS, gaara, Nubius, etc...) and we will get no one new. It will get to the point where it becomes something pathetic like only the aforementioned names in this paragraph will be at TF2, and nobody else new will get in there. I agree with heavy policing though, that is a good idea. Just have more than the normal amount of Mod's... But they cant be just any geek off the street, they gotta be handy with the steele if you know what I mean. (lets see who catches that) But seriously folks, how incredibly pompous that would be of us to say that we can access it, but you have to have certain credentials to be here. ****, if that were the case, they would simply go over to XS or another forum where they can post anywhere. Seriously, think about it. There is nothing wrong with heavy moderation, however.
Posted by: Chankama
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Trotter [/i]
Right now, the question is who will be allowed in, and what will the criteria be.
[/QUOTE]
What's the motivation behind TF2 Trotter?.. The end goal so to speak.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dhw200 [/i]
Agreed. And newcomers could read the topics, not necessarily post among them, but just read them to learn [/B][/QUOTE]
A "new comer" might be smarter than all of us man. It would be kind of insulting and embarrassing if all of us noobs are talking about computer assembly and overclocking while the design lead at AMD is sitting there trying to figure out why the **** he can't post anything on the new site. lol
Posted by: HAVOC
I think before the MOD's start adding more sections to this forum, "MORE REGULARS SHOULD COUGH UP A FEW BUCKS AND DONATE TO TF." 5 bucks - 10 bucks... paypal it...
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i was thinking of that, i have no money (that i am allowed to spend) at the moment.
Posted by: Him
Dude, most people here are young kids with no jobs, or older kids thta still live with their parents. I have a job, but I need every penny I can because I am going to school, and I dont want to work whilst at school.
Posted by: dhw200
I'm a sophmore in high school, i have a job, but im putting every single penny towards my college fund.
Posted by: HAVOC
hmmm... I'm talking about $5 to $10 dollars. You could collect freakin' bottles and cans to put together a few bucks to donate. There is no excuse for a regular here, regardless of age to not donate a few bucks. "Tell mom and dad, hey i'll cut the grass if you give me $10.00 to donate to the Tech-Forums.net site because I spend alot of time there and i've learned a great deal about computer hardware & software and i'd like to see the tech-forums.net site grow and develop into a better place for myself and others to share ideas and knowledge.
Mom & Dad will whip out their credit card and pat you on the back and say, "Son, were so proud of you!!!"
Posted by: dhw200
I already cut the grass lol. Sorry Havock, regardless of whether or not you consider it shameful, i'm not donating. Besides, my parents havent given me as much as a penny in 10 years.
Posted by: HAVOC
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dhw200 [/i]
[B]I already cut the grass lol. Sorry Havock, regardless of whether or not you consider it shameful, i'm not donating. Besides, my parents havent given me as much as a penny in 10 years. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, donating isn't required, but it's appreciated. I don't consider it "shameful" at all if someone can't donate. Just doesn't want to is a different story.
But, as you get older hopefully you'll realize that you, "can't get something for nothing." That having been said... Enjoy the fact that this forum is paid for by someone else and you get full use of it.
[url]http://www.tech-heaven.com/donations.php[/url]
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
i dont know what yall are talking about but im a Senior and have a job but still live w/ my parents. Sory havent been keeping up w/ this thread for a while. BTW what happend to the advanced section? PM me please.
Posted by: aspire.comptech
heres a really simple idea to stop spammers from spamming there they have to be a member for 1 hour before they can post
alot of the spammers sign up and post once immediatly
call me crazy or what but i think this would really cut donw the spam
o and sorry for like never postinng here but i work like full time right now
5 hours a day every day then next week im going to canada for a week soooo...
still icant wait to see this
Posted by: Larry
:)
thanks all for discussing TF2
about the whole idea of not allowing "everyone" to post in TF2.
PROBLEM: spammers, flammers, and people who post crap.
SOLUTION: don't let them post
What is TF2: Similiar to TF but better. Thought out better. Moderated better... blah blah blah.. .WITH the main goal of having "Better" discussions.
Age, experience, money, systems... they don't matter....
BUT.. if you can't write clearly, if you can't present your thoughts clearly - nicely - ordering, if you can't carry on a decent conversation -- I don't think you should be a member of TF2.
if you think you are god and want to force you view on everyone, etc. etc. etc. ---- not a member in TF2
if you want to start trouble -- not a member in TF2
Yes, moderating in TF2 will be.. uhm.. non forgiving.
You don't get a second chance.
No flaming, no cussing, no yelling and the usuall.
no getting mad at someone for saying your PC is better or worse than some other PC.
anyway... you get the picture.
we are not exactly sure about TF2 members, but stay tuned
:)
I have my ideas and thoughts, but your thoughts are VERY welcomed.
thanks again!
Posted by: majistic
I agree with you 100% Larry oh and Aspire.Comptech.. are you sure working 5 hours a day is conisdered "full time" ? I have been working 40 hours a week lately.
Posted by: aspire.comptech
well considering i havent had a day off for the past two weeks id consider it full time
Posted by: Trotter
I'll trade with you.
48+ hours a week managing a non-air-conditioned warehouse (read giant sweatbox). Not to mention having to put up with some of the guys who are sent over there to bring in/pick up stuff.
You'd have to see this place to believe it.
Posted by: 010001100101010
thanks larry alot that helped sort out our questions and answers. i was also wondering that when is saw the ad for tf2 what is the tech-careers thing about? is that part of tf2?
Posted by: P.P. Mguire
Will you have your SN from here, or will you have to register a new one?
Posted by: Apokalipse
I think it would work best if you had a single account for both TF and TF2, but for TF2 you have to be approved.
sorta like how the mod's forum works.
Posted by: TheMajor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by apokalipse [/i]
[B]I think it would work best if you had a single account for both TF and TF2, but for TF2 you have to be approved.
sorta like how the mod's forum works. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=darkred]I think that would be difficult to program.[/color]
Posted by: waynejkruse10
i saw a friend of mine working on my lamp server. We installed drupal, a CMS and when we fogot the password for a user he just went into the SQL database in Phpmyadmin and deleted the record for the user and created a new one. You could just write and run a script to backup all the user records from one database onto another database or just config one thing of vbulletin to access only certain areas.
Posted by: Juice Daddy
(read carfully, hope it's not to confuseing)
I have a suggestion,
Required rule reading to register!
To register for TF2 users should have to read the rules...
There is no way to make somebody read the rules...
But you can make them type them, (Thus forceing them to read them)
I was thinking back to how one of my friends would study for tests. He would take his notes, and copy them to another paper... (Memorizing in the process). Which made me think of a typing test I took a while back at this website: [url]http://www.typingtest.com/[/url] While taking the test you cannot copy and paste... (Has some kind of block, so you can only type)
[size=2]Now to get to the point[/size]
When signing up users should have to read the rules,
To force them to do so, make them type them...
Using ideas from above... set up a page with the rules listed on one side and an area to type them out on the other [b](with the copy and paste restriction)[/b] Probably not all the rules, perhaps a [b]summary[/b]... (This would be part of registration)
Have it set up to accept something like 10% or 20% margin of error
This would definitely discourage spammers from making accounts
I hope I composed that well enough to understand
Any thoughts?
Posted by: aspire.comptech
I like it, It forces people to know the rules, stops spammers to an extent, and provides a good excuse when enforcing the rules.
Posted by: joshd
i think that would put lots of people off joining who are not spammers, but just need help. i know i would probably just find another forum if i had to do that when i joined.
Posted by: Him
Why dont we just restrict people from posting a new topic. Make them have to reply to 10 posts (or some other arbitrary number) before they can post their own topic.
Posted by: Trifid
Becuase than they will spam making stupid sugestions. Or find a different forum.
Posted by: Him
So they would find another forum, good, they would have just been a bane anyway.
Posted by: Trifid
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Him [/i]
[B]So they would find another forum, good, they would have just been a bane anyway. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, there is that view, but we were all noobs at one point.
Posted by: Him
I thought we accomplished this before. Yes, we were all noobs at one point, we were all dumb at one point, but the new "TF2" is apparently not for noobs. And noobs or not, it's still a good idea to only be able to reply to messages. Thats what the AdultSwim message boards do.
Posted by: joshd
maybe when a user trys to register for TF2, it should be entirely based on their performance of normal TF, by moderators discretion. those who are fairly active posters, who post useful/interesting posts should be allowed to register.
those who are new and want to register for TF2 would have to spend a while posting useful stuff on TF, and no spammer is going to bother to do that, just so they can get one spam post on TF2 before they get banned.